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Old 08-25-2014, 12:37 PM
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Default Fly eagle jets at best in the west 2014

This goes out to all Pilots who will be attending Best In The West 2014 and any year there after, and fly a Fly Eagle Jet Model Aircraft:

Due to some of the model aircraft offered by FEJ with known airframes to have numerous failures, I have decided to BAN some of the models to attend Best In The West: These models are,

F-14 1:7.5 and 1:8.5,
BAE Hawk 100 1:4.5
BAE Hawk 1:4.5 and 1:5.5
A-7 1:6
A-10's all three Sizes
J-10's all sizes

I am sorry for the inconvenienced this may have on you attending BITW, but Safety comes first and will not be tolerated, all other FEJ that are not mentioned above will be allowed to fly, however if it comes to my attention that other FEJ aircraft has had airframe failure, I will have no choice but to ban that aircraft as well. If anyone would like to discuss this, please feel free to call me or email me.

Thank you, Joe C!

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There is no reason to ban HAWK 1:45 with updated elevator stab.
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Joe, I think you are making a wise decision here. As a CD you're liabity is elevated greatly at these events. Hopefully by doing this your exposure is limited.

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Originally Posted by DiscoWings
There is no reason to ban HAWK 1:45 with updated elevator stab.

Why do you care if you "dont go to jet events"?
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Originally Posted by invertmast
Why do you care if you "dont go to jet events"?
Because he is trying to sell one.
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Originally Posted by dubd
Because he is trying to sell one.
Really where? I put 6 jets for sale to clear space, once I sold 4 I took the other adds off because space wasn't an issue any more.

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Old 08-25-2014, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DiscoWings
There is no reason to ban HAWK 1:45 with updated elevator stab.
Disco,
I have no time to check on FEJ jets that may or may not have an updated stab, etc, etc, I could of just banned all of them and be done with it, so this was fair in my opinion to just ban the known aircrafts weather they had updates or not.
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Originally Posted by AndyAndrews
Joe, I think you are making a wise decision here. As a CD you're liabity is elevated greatly at these events. Hopefully by doing this your exposure is limited.

Andy
Thank you Andy!
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Great Plan JOE!! King Solomon would be proud.Scotty
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Originally Posted by Joe C
This goes out to all Pilots who will be attending Best In The West 2014 and any year there after, and fly a Fly Eagle Jet Model Aircraft:

Due to some of the model aircraft offered by FEJ with known airframes to have numerous failures, I have decided to BAN some of the models to attend Best In The West: These models are,

F-14 1:7.5 and 1:8.5,
BAE Hawk 100 1:4.5
BAE Hawk 1:4.5 and 1:5.5
A-7 1:6
A-10's all three Sizes
J-10's all sizes

I am sorry for the inconvenienced this may have on you attending BITW, but Safety comes first and will not be tolerated, all other FEJ that are not mentioned above will be allowed to fly, however if it comes to my attention that other FEJ aircraft has had airframe failure, I will have no choice but to ban that aircraft as well. If anyone would like to discuss this, please feel free to call me or email me.

Thank you, Joe C!

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Old 08-25-2014, 06:07 PM
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a better approach than FT took, for sure.
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Joe,

The life you save might be your own, so good on you.
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Hey Boys, now that we're on a safety ban happy kick why don't we ban all the aircraft that have twice the horsepower in them in which the aircraft is rated. No, wait we can't do that...half the jet community would be banned!! I've have no problem with the FEJ ban but if we're gonna blame it on safety then show some consistency and look at all of the aspects of safety.
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Originally Posted by The Great Squintini
Hey Boys, now that we're on a safety ban happy kick why don't we ban all the aircraft that have twice the horsepower in them in which the aircraft is rated. No, wait we can't do that...half the jet community would be banned!! I've have no problem with the FEJ ban but if we're gonna blame it on safety then show some consistency and look at all of the aspects of safety.
I agree 100%

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Joe,

Last year at Monster Jet Jam, Lowel's FEJ, 1/5 F-86 had the servo boxes on the elevators and the rudder literally detach while he was flying. 1 elevator went while on the down leg, the rudder followed right after and Lowel basically yelled hang on, something's wrong but I think I can get it back, he was coming around on the final turn and a few feet off the runway the other elevator detached, he cut the power and it came power sliding down the runway. Upon inspection, I personally saw, that FEJ actually used CA, to glue the servo box inside the fuse for the elevators and rudder, CA, really?? I'm not saying add that plane to the ban list, but you might want to take notes and inspect that area if any show up. Hats off to Lowel for saving a catastrophic crash, as we had a lot of spectators that day and also for jumping the FEJ ship.

I am speaking for myself on this matter, and fully support you and Franks decision to ban FEJ and I even own one.


CYA at BITW

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Properly applied fresh ca is as strong as epoxy and will break wood before the joint brakes. I have seen cardens built entirely with CA with the only thing using epoxy being the hinges and firewall.
So Ca is not the issue here, it was probably applied wrong and didn't bond to the honeycomb/fiberglass skin correctly.
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Originally Posted by DiscoWings
Properly applied fresh ca is as strong as epoxy and will break wood before the joint brakes. I have seen cardens built entirely with CA with the only thing using epoxy being the hinges and firewall.
So Ca is not the issue here, it was probably applied wrong and didn't bond to the honeycomb/fiberglass skin correctly.
Cardens are wood, so CA works better as it soaks through the wood. CA does not work as well against composite materials.
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CA works well with Balsa not Hardwood. Never CA hardwood, especially on servo trays! CA not for composites either. I guess all your mods to your FEJ are with CA?
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The only good glue for hardwood really is slow curing, sloppy, Titebond (or gorilla). You can have a good balsa to composite CA bond if done correctly. Typically the wood yields before the joint.

Note: the wood used on FEJ and other brand servos boxes is not really "hardwood"....not sure what it is, like a soft pine wood. It tends to accept CA well.
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Originally Posted by FalconWings
The only good glue for hardwood really is slow curing, sloppy, Titebond (or gorilla). You can have a good balsa to composite CA bond if done correctly. Typically the wood yields before the joint.

Note: the wood used on FEJ and other brand servos boxes is not really "hardwood"....not sure what it is, like a soft pine wood. It tends to accept CA well.
So well that they have servo mounts constantly popping off. I would never trust a critical area like a servo mount to CA in a giant scale plane. That's really just doing the bare minimum IMO. Aeroproxy/Hysol for composites and or slow curing epoxy for wood gives me piece of mind.
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I'm sorry but I would never use CA to securing the servo box.... Aeropoxy for all servo trays, landing gear mounts, Aileron, Elevator, doors, leaky fuel tanks

Just my opinion

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The problem is not the CA bond, the problem is the bad application by the manufacturer. But anyway, if you feel safe with Hysol.....so be it. Bottom line do whatever makes you feel safe and you have experience with.
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Originally Posted by FalconWings
The problem is not the CA bond, the problem is the bad application by the manufacturer. But anyway, if you feel safe with Hysol.....so be it. Bottom line do whatever makes you feel safe and you have experience with.
Yeah for me it's just a peace of mind ting now if my flying skills could give me peace of mind...I'm all set lol

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Originally Posted by basimpsn
Yeah for me it's just a peace of mind ting know if my flying skills could give me peace of mind...I'm all set lol
Im on the same boat!
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Hi,

I don't think those servo boxes are glued in by FEJ. I'm pretty sure that's something the builder does.

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