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Kingtech K180g Vs K210G, why buy a 180?

Old 10-02-2014, 07:25 AM
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Default Kingtech K180g Vs K210G, why buy a 180?

I am in the market for a turbine to replace my P180RX for my skymaster mig. I havent flown the mig yet so I am not sure if the P180RX was enough or not.

I am looking at the kingtech, I've owned a couple and had decent success with them.

Looking at the K180 and K210, Is there a reason to even consider the 180G?
-The K210 puts out more thrust
-The K210 is lighter
-The K210 has a CNC compressor
-Fuel consumption is about the same (19.22 oz/min vs 20.8 oz/min)
-Cost is basically the same
-Same size can

What am I missing here? Maybe its the price tags that are throwing me off, they seem out of proportion?

I am not saying the 180 is overpriced or worthless Im just asking if I'm missing anything here.
One last question, I noticed dreamworks gives a store credit when buying a turbine, which is highly attractive. When they have run their black friday sales (10-15% off) do they still give the store credit during those sales? Its all about timing and getting the best deal.

If someone has a deal let me know.

Thanks!

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Old 10-02-2014, 09:00 AM
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I would not by a 180 now since the 210 came out.

With the weight about the same I would take the 210. I got to fly a 210 at Kentucky and noticed it was burning less fuel per flight then the 180.

A big thing about the 210 also is it runs allot cooler. That means less wear and tear on the pipe and the turbine.

One thing to keep in mind is its about 47 pounds of thrust! So people need to use their throttle stick accordingly. Already had a friend blow his plane up in flight with the 210 flying it to hard. You need to pull that left stick back with the 210
Old 10-02-2014, 09:17 AM
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the current pricing is basically canabilzing 180G sales, I think eventually the 210G price is going to go higher, that or the 180G will need to have a price drop.
Old 10-02-2014, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by gunradd
One thing to keep in mind is its about 47 pounds of thrust! So people need to use their throttle stick accordingly. Already had a friend blow his plane up in flight with the 210 flying it to hard. You need to pull that left stick back with the 210
Kris,

I am not a big fan of the "use your left stick" approach to oversized engines. You should set up your planes to take full power whenever full power is called for. If your turbine is oversized, reduce the max RPM to your desired and safe thrust level

I fly a BVM mig 15 with a Cheetah. that is 31 pounds of thrust on a 22 pound airframe. So i lower the RPM's to bring it down to like 20 pounds or so. I can then use the full range of my throttle.

If you fly just one plane, maybe the left stick approach is ok, but if you are flying multiple planes, you can't be on a guessing mode all the time. This gets more exagerated when you are trying to fly precise aerobatics, where muscle memory is key

Net, my point, if you want a 210, go for it, it will be more versatile as you move it around airframes. but lower the max RPM's to the right thrust level for your aircraft.

BTW, a fun experiment is to ask a pilot their perceived stick position during flight. They will swear they are at 1/4 throttle when they really are at 3/4. You can't trust your perceived stick position to avoid blowing up your plane

Just my humble opinion
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Old 10-02-2014, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by JackD
I am not a big fan of the "use your left stick" approach to oversized engines. You should set up your planes to take full power whenever full power is called for. If your turbine is oversized, reduce the max RPM to your desired and safe thrust level
I agree with the concept above, but recommend doing it with the radio setup, not the ECU max rpm. This allows to limit the top RPM for cruising, but keep the full thrust for takeoff and potential aborts during landing. Basically use the retract switch to change the throttle signal when retracts are up to limit the max RPM. You can use a condition delay so that the transition is smooth when hitting the retract switch.
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I wholeheartedly agree with Jack. I prefer to use the full range of the throttle stick and lowering the RPM or using a smaller engine allows me to do that.

To the original poster, I think you answered your own question. The prices are the same because Kingtech introduced the 210 at a low price to be competitive with other 210 engines. This made the 210 nearly the same price as the 180. Ultimately, the consumer has to choose between the engine that has been out for awhile (180) or the new engine (210). For what it's worth, I sold my 180rx and bought a Kingtech 210.

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Well sounds like a K210G it is. Dubd you had a P200 so we know it will take it
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I agree with this on some levels but its really nice to have the power available when you make a stupid mistake and need to recover and if turning my engine down rather than moderating the throttle cost an airframe I'd be quite upsest
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210 for sure! I received number 56 a couple months ago, it's gorgeous and super lite!
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Me: Where is my throttle stick at now?
Wife: Full
Me: Ok how about now?
Wife: Full

Originally Posted by JackD


BTW, a fun experiment is to ask a pilot their perceived stick position during flight. They will swear they are at 1/4 throttle when they really are at 3/4. You can't trust your perceived stick position to avoid blowing up your plane

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Originally Posted by Edgar Perez
I agree with the concept above, but recommend doing it with the radio setup, not the ECU max rpm. This allows to limit the top RPM for cruising, but keep the full thrust for takeoff and potential aborts during landing. Basically use the retract switch to change the throttle signal when retracts are up to limit the max RPM. You can use a condition delay so that the transition is smooth when hitting the retract switch.
Yes!!! agree specially on landing. We need less power on take off than we think, but on an aborted landing, you cant never have too much power...Great add
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Originally Posted by essyou35
Me: Where is my throttle stick at now?
Wife: Full
Me: Ok how about now?
Wife: Full
That's funny!!!!!
Old 10-02-2014, 10:38 AM
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And it'll be even lighter after you dremel your "Ali" signature off!
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Originally Posted by essyou35
Well sounds like a K210G it is. Dubd you had a P200 so we know it will take it
I didn't sustain full power for long. The power was helpful for take offs and verticals.
Old 10-02-2014, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ravill
And it'll be even lighter after you dremel your "Ali" signature off!
Oh and the jokes just keep coming. Such a shame you get all bent out of shape when the shoe is on the other foot! I love RCU. Its like the school playground all over again! You da man Rav!
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Originally Posted by ravill
And it'll be even lighter after you dremel your "Ali" signature off!
I think the signature is cool......
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Be carefull with your pipes, alot of 180 sized pipes are really designed for 160-180 not 180-210
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Signature is way cool, since I wanted to be fully compliant with LTMA1, I have the factory made me a couple of these for the F-14
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Besides, the 210 is running cooler and at lower RPM than the 180. My "170s" are dialed down to 116 RPM.

Cheers,
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210 it is unless someone has a deal on a 180, a good chance for you to upgrade.

Otherwise I'll wait for a dreamworks deal unless a dealer wants to sell to me
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My only problem with the 210 is finding the Ali feature in the GSU which allows me to fly just like him
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Originally Posted by bri6672
My only problem with the 210 is finding the Ali feature in the GSU which allows me to fly just like him
I seen it some where in the manual
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Originally Posted by bri6672
My only problem with the 210 is finding the Ali feature in the GSU which allows me to fly just like him
That would be a nice touch!

I love you WAY more Ali!
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I just purchased a jet legend F-16 G2 (or BVM F16). Originally i was going to go with a jet central rhino sp but now for the same cost, fuel consumption, size and weight i am going with the new rhino 200 which is rated at 45lbs of thrust. I am just going to turn down the max rpm to 38 lbs.......go big and you have room to grow into a bigger aircraft.
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Originally Posted by jws_aces
I seen it some where in the manual
Me too Jeff...you're Still my new best bud for letting me fly your plane!! Tell the wife Steph says "hi"!

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