EPA strikes again....
#26
I don't think its an EPA thing or an FAA thing. I think its a State and Federal Road Tax thing.
Diesel and Kero are pretty similar as very similar as far as Octane Ratings go, Like around 20! I've driven my truck around using Jet-A with no problems. Diesel does have a slightly higher energy content than Kero.
In my old plane that had a Pratt Whitney PT-6 turbine the operating manual states you can use Jet-A, Diesel and even 100LL AVGAS for up to 100 hours.
Jet-A is a less refined Kerosene than K1 Kerosene. It has more Sulphur in it (rather less of it removed). That's why it smells so bad.
Home heating Kerosene is usually burned in an environment where the smell matters so they remove more Sulphur out of the product.
I'm using the K1 Kerosene bought in Drums for home heating. I've used the Jet-A but it is some smelly stuff. Contemplating switching over to Diesel but it also is pretty smelly.
I think the smell of Kero is just fine .. it's the smell of fun! But my wife doesn't like it at all when I walk in the door smelling like fun.
So right now I'm sticking with the K1 just IMHO it's the least smelly of the bunch.
Happy Flying,
Steve
Diesel and Kero are pretty similar as very similar as far as Octane Ratings go, Like around 20! I've driven my truck around using Jet-A with no problems. Diesel does have a slightly higher energy content than Kero.
In my old plane that had a Pratt Whitney PT-6 turbine the operating manual states you can use Jet-A, Diesel and even 100LL AVGAS for up to 100 hours.
Jet-A is a less refined Kerosene than K1 Kerosene. It has more Sulphur in it (rather less of it removed). That's why it smells so bad.
Home heating Kerosene is usually burned in an environment where the smell matters so they remove more Sulphur out of the product.
I'm using the K1 Kerosene bought in Drums for home heating. I've used the Jet-A but it is some smelly stuff. Contemplating switching over to Diesel but it also is pretty smelly.
I think the smell of Kero is just fine .. it's the smell of fun! But my wife doesn't like it at all when I walk in the door smelling like fun.
So right now I'm sticking with the K1 just IMHO it's the least smelly of the bunch.
Happy Flying,
Steve
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I ran diesel in a K60 than switched to kero with a noticeable drop in power. Diesel in my ohio area is a bio-diesel blend containing animal fat and vegetable components. Is that harmful for a turbine?
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I considered going to the next airport south which is a smaller non controlled field, but there is pump Kerosene available not far from my house so that's what I wound up buying. You may not be able to still buy fuel at the smaller airports either, they guy who runs line services at the airport I went to said they'd gotten the notice from the EPA just a few days ago.
Thanks for the heads up, I'll investigate and see if anything has changed.
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Hey Raf, the three legged grub has feelings too
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I went to diesel but went back to kero. didn't like the smell and smoke and the price difference negligible.
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I went to diesel but went back to kero. didn't like the smell and smoke and the price difference negligible.
Neither am I flying my toy airplane around in the sky, which is about as far as one can get away from the underground three legged grub population that may or may not be in the vicinity.
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A few airports in California have been this way for years. If you call up the fuel truck and ask them to put it in a can, they will most likely not do it.
If you use automated fuel station at an airport with unicom service or the FBO sees it, they may challenge you. Again this may only apply to 100LL. Not sure about JetA.
If you use automated fuel station at an airport with unicom service or the FBO sees it, they may challenge you. Again this may only apply to 100LL. Not sure about JetA.
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That's crazy right der.
Shawn, that's not the point here. Zeeb getting 5-20 gallons of fuel for his toy airplane is not a gross polluter by any means.
Neither am I flying my toy airplane around in the sky, which is about as far as one can get away from the underground three legged grub population that may or may not be in the vicinity.
Shawn, that's not the point here. Zeeb getting 5-20 gallons of fuel for his toy airplane is not a gross polluter by any means.
Neither am I flying my toy airplane around in the sky, which is about as far as one can get away from the underground three legged grub population that may or may not be in the vicinity.
#37
If it was up to Kalifornicatia everyone would have to use DEF to play with their toys. The state and most of it's inhabitants haver gone crazy. I really wish they would have voted to secede from the Union.
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Rav,
Oh, I know. I also know that like any other government engine the EPA has its follies and fumbles. I just get a giggle out of how predictable the reaction to those letters is on RCU. It's like there's a law that says if you fly model airplanes, then you have to act like the whole idea of what the EPA is supposed to be about is somehow evil.
Afterburner,
Well said.
#39
I wish there was a way Orange County could secede from the State ..... It's embarasing.