New JetsMunt VT-80 BL
01-26-2015, 08:36 AM
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The way the "content discription" is noted on the air bill as "toy parts" in the US there has not been any duty.. Fedex from time to time will send you a bill for $25 or $30 for their custom handling fee.. That is how it has been in US.. Not sure how Canada operates..
The same way when you send the turbine for repair you have to state "Damaged Toy Parts for repair" and a very low value and the shipping to Barcelona from US via Fedex (with tracking) is $60 to $75.. the trick is to keep the size of your box small..
The same way when you send the turbine for repair you have to state "Damaged Toy Parts for repair" and a very low value and the shipping to Barcelona from US via Fedex (with tracking) is $60 to $75.. the trick is to keep the size of your box small..
01-26-2015, 08:46 AM
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The way the "content discription" is noted on the air bill as "toy parts" in the US there has not been any duty.. Fedex from time to time will send you a bill for $25 or $30 for their custom handling fee.. That is how it has been in US.. Not sure how Canada operates..
The same way when you send the turbine for repair you have to state "Damaged Toy Parts for repair" and a very low value and the shipping to Barcelona from US via Fedex (with tracking) is $60 to $75.. the trick is to keep the size of your box small..
The same way when you send the turbine for repair you have to state "Damaged Toy Parts for repair" and a very low value and the shipping to Barcelona from US via Fedex (with tracking) is $60 to $75.. the trick is to keep the size of your box small..
01-26-2015, 04:55 PM
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I bought a M140 from Gaspar two years ago when the Euro was about $1.25. It was labeled as a toy model engine so there shouldn't have been any duty. However, I ended up reimbursing Fedex $32 in duty/customs fees. I suspect that it went through a customs agent because of the value on the customs form. I have not had that happen when buying ARF's from China, they probably report a nominal value. The price was 2100 Euro and Gaspar will not put a lower value on the forms.
Anyway the shocker was about 6 months later I received a bill from the State of Michigan for 6% sales tax. Apparently because it went through an agent the transaction got reported to the state and they sent me a bill for about $150. I still saved about $200 over buying it in the states.
I just want to make anyone considering buying a turbine from Europe aware that they may end up paying state sales tax. Your situation may be different depending on where you live.
Anyway the shocker was about 6 months later I received a bill from the State of Michigan for 6% sales tax. Apparently because it went through an agent the transaction got reported to the state and they sent me a bill for about $150. I still saved about $200 over buying it in the states.
I just want to make anyone considering buying a turbine from Europe aware that they may end up paying state sales tax. Your situation may be different depending on where you live.
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01-26-2015, 09:44 PM
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Yes. This is typically the bill we pay when importing a bunch of turbines to the USA.
Also if you ship your engine back to Spain for service declaring a very low value of 30 USD or so and the parcel gets lost, the insurance will cover you for this amount only.
Finally you won't receive any support in the USA for an engine bought in Europe.
What is the value of the service I provide?
Obviously some individuals on this forum have evaluated that it is not worth a cent...
Also if you ship your engine back to Spain for service declaring a very low value of 30 USD or so and the parcel gets lost, the insurance will cover you for this amount only.
Finally you won't receive any support in the USA for an engine bought in Europe.
What is the value of the service I provide?
Obviously some individuals on this forum have evaluated that it is not worth a cent...
01-26-2015, 09:55 PM
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Paying sales tax had nothing to with dice, your supposed to pay sales tax or use tax regardless of where you buy; buying form the u.s. does not mean you get a pass from paying sales tax; and It can just as easily happen on cross state sales like when you buy a trailer from an out of state dealer, or a stanby generator.
01-26-2015, 10:05 PM
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Yes. This is typically the bill we pay when importing a bunch of turbines to the USA.
Also if you ship your engine back to Spain for service declaring a very low value of 30 USD or so and the parcel gets lost, the insurance will cover you for this amount only.
Finally you won't receive any support in the USA for an engine bought in Europe.
What is the value of the service I provide?
Obviously some individuals on this forum have evaluated that it is not worth a cent...
Also if you ship your engine back to Spain for service declaring a very low value of 30 USD or so and the parcel gets lost, the insurance will cover you for this amount only.
Finally you won't receive any support in the USA for an engine bought in Europe.
What is the value of the service I provide?
Obviously some individuals on this forum have evaluated that it is not worth a cent...
Understandable if you don't want to provide support; but I would assume if someone was willing to pay for the labor and parts you guys would take the business since you have the equipment onsite. Its also completely reasonable to see that support is part of what the person is buying is buying.
The thing I ultimately go back on, is the price of the item is the same now as it was when the euro was 1.45....
01-27-2015, 06:20 AM
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For Canadian folks, I buy many item for the U.S. and abroad.....if you used courrier and it doesn't matter which one, they will charge you brokers fee percentage of the value of the item......and most likely will also charge you duty, now for RC (Hobby) there's no duty in Canada, all you need to do is file a refund with CBSA takes a while but you will get you money back.
01-27-2015, 09:39 AM
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Just a couple of comments to clear some doubts, we have received few emails that I suppose have been originated from the comments on this thread:
1) JetsMunt will not ship any engine with a fake invoice. We need the export papers done with correct value in order to get our local sales tax (VAT, 21%) returned to us. In USA the experience is that often there isn't any tax, but on other countries the tax could be significant, for example, Brazil taxes with a 60% this kind of goods.
2) JetsMunt dealers are not obligated to support engines not sold by them. There is a investment in spares stock, training, tooling and time that should be paid, and this money come from sales. JetsMunt dealers can and often support engines not sold by them, but this a plus that they choose to offer on his own.
JetsMunt always recommend to buy the engines to local dealers so that customers receive the best possible local support, but for the cases that due personal/whatever reasons the customer prefer to contact directly to factory, not a problem either.
Gaspar
1) JetsMunt will not ship any engine with a fake invoice. We need the export papers done with correct value in order to get our local sales tax (VAT, 21%) returned to us. In USA the experience is that often there isn't any tax, but on other countries the tax could be significant, for example, Brazil taxes with a 60% this kind of goods.
2) JetsMunt dealers are not obligated to support engines not sold by them. There is a investment in spares stock, training, tooling and time that should be paid, and this money come from sales. JetsMunt dealers can and often support engines not sold by them, but this a plus that they choose to offer on his own.
JetsMunt always recommend to buy the engines to local dealers so that customers receive the best possible local support, but for the cases that due personal/whatever reasons the customer prefer to contact directly to factory, not a problem either.
Gaspar
01-27-2015, 09:41 AM
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For Canadian folks, I buy many item for the U.S. and abroad.....if you used courrier and it doesn't matter which one, they will charge you brokers fee percentage of the value of the item......and most likely will also charge you duty, now for RC (Hobby) there's no duty in Canada, all you need to do is file a refund with CBSA takes a while but you will get you money back.
True, no duty , technically on goods manufactured in the US but we could be from offshore depending on what the current government free trade rules are with those countries and Canada) . BUT, there could be our GST and PST to be charged depending on the province we live in and if the Carrier decides to charge it or not. Again , flip of the dice as to whether we are charged or not. Sometimes we do and sometimes we don't . When it is Canada post as the carried we usually are not, depending on the amount, but if a carrier like FedEx, DHL , Purolator or others we usually get charged I find. When shipments are handled by a courier other than the postal system I don't think a customs agent ever sees it ; making the courier company duty bound to charge whatever is due.
Since this is a VT-80/VT-80BL forum as to users experiences on the running and durability of this turbine , we should get back to its forum.
01-27-2015, 10:21 AM
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Hi Dan:
True, no duty , technically on goods manufactured in the US but we could be from offshore depending on what the current government free trade rules are with those countries and Canada) . BUT, there could be our GST and PST to be charged depending on the province we live in and if the Carrier decides to charge it or not. Again , flip of the dice as to whether we are charged or not. Sometimes we do and sometimes we don't . When it is Canada post as the carried we usually are not, depending on the amount, but if a carrier like FedEx, DHL , Purolator or others we usually get charged I find. When shipments are handled by a courier other than the postal system I don't think a customs agent ever sees it ; making the courier company duty bound to charge whatever is due.
Since this is a VT-80/VT-80BL forum as to users experiences on the running and durability of this turbine , we should get back to its forum.
True, no duty , technically on goods manufactured in the US but we could be from offshore depending on what the current government free trade rules are with those countries and Canada) . BUT, there could be our GST and PST to be charged depending on the province we live in and if the Carrier decides to charge it or not. Again , flip of the dice as to whether we are charged or not. Sometimes we do and sometimes we don't . When it is Canada post as the carried we usually are not, depending on the amount, but if a carrier like FedEx, DHL , Purolator or others we usually get charged I find. When shipments are handled by a courier other than the postal system I don't think a customs agent ever sees it ; making the courier company duty bound to charge whatever is due.
Since this is a VT-80/VT-80BL forum as to users experiences on the running and durability of this turbine , we should get back to its forum.
I usually try to be the broker, very simple go to the airport to pickup the airplane take the paperwork.....go to custom (CBSA) pay Taxes....return to pickup plane....very simple.
Since I work pretty closed to the border...when I buy from US dealer I just send it to my US address, then cross with it pay the taxes and that is it....unless it's not hobby like tires or home Reno supply then some duty could apply depending on where it was made.
01-27-2015, 10:21 AM
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Hi Dan:
True, no duty , technically on goods manufactured in the US but we could be from offshore depending on what the current government free trade rules are with those countries and Canada) . BUT, there could be our GST and PST to be charged depending on the province we live in and if the Carrier decides to charge it or not. Again , flip of the dice as to whether we are charged or not. Sometimes we do and sometimes we don't . When it is Canada post as the carried we usually are not, depending on the amount, but if a carrier like FedEx, DHL , Purolator or others we usually get charged I find. When shipments are handled by a courier other than the postal system I don't think a customs agent ever sees it ; making the courier company duty bound to charge whatever is due.
Since this is a VT-80/VT-80BL forum as to users experiences on the running and durability of this turbine , we should get back to its forum.
True, no duty , technically on goods manufactured in the US but we could be from offshore depending on what the current government free trade rules are with those countries and Canada) . BUT, there could be our GST and PST to be charged depending on the province we live in and if the Carrier decides to charge it or not. Again , flip of the dice as to whether we are charged or not. Sometimes we do and sometimes we don't . When it is Canada post as the carried we usually are not, depending on the amount, but if a carrier like FedEx, DHL , Purolator or others we usually get charged I find. When shipments are handled by a courier other than the postal system I don't think a customs agent ever sees it ; making the courier company duty bound to charge whatever is due.
Since this is a VT-80/VT-80BL forum as to users experiences on the running and durability of this turbine , we should get back to its forum.
I usually try to be the broker, very simple go to the airport to pickup the airplane take the paperwork.....go to custom (CBSA) pay Taxes....return to pickup plane....very simple.
Since I work pretty closed to the border...when I buy from US dealer I just send it to my US address, then cross with it pay the taxes and that is it....unless it's not hobby like tires or home Reno supply then some duty could apply depending on where it was made.
01-27-2015, 10:29 AM
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Just to clarify as there seems to be some confusion....
Dreamworks will service all jetsmunt engines regardless where the engine was purchased. Valid warranty service, including parts and labor, will only apply to engines originally purchased through Dreamworks. Warranty service by Dreamworks relating to engines purchased through other vendors covers parts only (with JetsMunt approval); labor charges at our normal hourly rate will apply. Parts for all models are typically in stock.
Todd
Dreamworks will service all jetsmunt engines regardless where the engine was purchased. Valid warranty service, including parts and labor, will only apply to engines originally purchased through Dreamworks. Warranty service by Dreamworks relating to engines purchased through other vendors covers parts only (with JetsMunt approval); labor charges at our normal hourly rate will apply. Parts for all models are typically in stock.
Todd
01-27-2015, 01:06 PM
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All u.s. vendors have to do is match the EURO and problem solved, look at Vogel-Aeroscale, the price of the 200 dropped $750.00 from $3999 down to $3249. I don't think the issue is the U.S. support, its the price descrepency between European retail vs U.S.
Euro might be below the dollar this year at the rate its falling, great time to buy european goods.
Euro might be below the dollar this year at the rate its falling, great time to buy european goods.
01-27-2015, 01:50 PM
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Just to clarify as there seems to be some confusion....
Dreamworks will service all jetsmunt engines regardless where the engine was purchased. Valid warranty service, including parts and labor, will only apply to engines originally purchased through Dreamworks. Warranty service by Dreamworks relating to engines purchased through other vendors covers parts only (with JetsMunt approval); labor charges at our normal hourly rate will apply. Parts for all models are typically in stock.
Todd
Dreamworks will service all jetsmunt engines regardless where the engine was purchased. Valid warranty service, including parts and labor, will only apply to engines originally purchased through Dreamworks. Warranty service by Dreamworks relating to engines purchased through other vendors covers parts only (with JetsMunt approval); labor charges at our normal hourly rate will apply. Parts for all models are typically in stock.
Todd
01-27-2015, 05:27 PM
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All u.s. vendors have to do is match the EURO and problem solved, look at Vogel-Aeroscale, the price of the 200 dropped $750.00 from $3999 down to $3249. I don't think the issue is the U.S. support, its the price descrepency between European retail vs U.S.
Euro might be below the dollar this year at the rate its falling, great time to buy european goods.
Euro might be below the dollar this year at the rate its falling, great time to buy european goods.
I would rather buy at home but, not going to pay that much more to do so. Com'mon US dealers, adjust your prices, there is no impact on margin.
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01-27-2015, 10:55 PM
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I'm glad Gaspar, Oli and Todd cleared up the acquisition issues as well as the service questions.... Thank you guys...
As a consumer of Jets Munt engines I personally have a few M200XBL, a few 140XBL and have first had experience of the 100XBL and the VT80BL. Their performance is awesome and flawlessly...
For those interested in the VT80BL, please note that they don't come with factory battery. All other jets munt turbines come with a 2200mah battery. Also unlike the other family members the VT80 or the VT80BL will not continue to cool down once the reciever is powered down.. The cool down process requires the receiver to remain on. All the other models will continue to cool down with the receiver turned off..
You will not regret getting a Jets Munt turbine no matter how you acquire it.... It's the only turbine on the current market with BRUSHLESS pump and starter motor, a state of the art ECU and telemetry sensor module...also the best weight to power ratio and fuel consumption..
As a consumer of Jets Munt engines I personally have a few M200XBL, a few 140XBL and have first had experience of the 100XBL and the VT80BL. Their performance is awesome and flawlessly...
For those interested in the VT80BL, please note that they don't come with factory battery. All other jets munt turbines come with a 2200mah battery. Also unlike the other family members the VT80 or the VT80BL will not continue to cool down once the reciever is powered down.. The cool down process requires the receiver to remain on. All the other models will continue to cool down with the receiver turned off..
You will not regret getting a Jets Munt turbine no matter how you acquire it.... It's the only turbine on the current market with BRUSHLESS pump and starter motor, a state of the art ECU and telemetry sensor module...also the best weight to power ratio and fuel consumption..
01-28-2015, 10:30 AM
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01-28-2015, 10:57 AM
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JM VT80BL has a BL fuel pump and brushed starter.
Wren is now producing turbines with BL fuel pump and starter : Wren 80 DCi and 100 DCi
Wren is now producing turbines with BL fuel pump and starter : Wren 80 DCi and 100 DCi
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01-28-2015, 11:18 AM
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On the VT80BL.. I'm not 100% sure about the brushless starter motor (I don't think so).. BUT the pump is brushless I have held it and installed it... its the same pump as the other Jets Munt motors...