757Driver

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Like the hex idea!

Bob_B

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"Smaller version" please tell us more.

viggkri

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https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pilot...927303?fref=ts

Tip22v

Can't wait to see the video and get your feedback on the flight performance.

E.N.T.

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Just one question. Will it fly well with a VT-80?

Thanks;
hmarmaizmd717

757Driver

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Generally I would believe that it would. What is your altitude? Which wing type do you want? What is your runway length and surface? Do you plan on a smoke system as that adds weight?

We will be able to provide a more accurate reccomendation after we fly this airplane and know some specifics about your plans and environment.

MorseAircraftDevelopment

Thanks Jason, and the smaller version right now is still in R&D but it looks like it will be a k60 and smaller class jet. Tony will be posting more info on it as it develops. He posts a lot on FB.

E.N.T.

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We are at sea level. Our club has a 700 ft. runway here in Puerto Rico.
I would no be planning a smoke system. But a sport wing type.

hmarmaizmd717

MorseAircraftDevelopment

We will post all our weights and actual thrust numbers prior to flying then we will give you a report of how it flys at that weight and thrust. Should be able to give you an idea of what it would do with that turbine.

MorseAircraftDevelopment

Here is a link to Tony's (Pilot-rc) page on the 71" Dolphin.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-j...le-scheme.html

757Driver

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Hi Bob, did you see the Small Dolphin thread link is posted above?

MorseAircraftDevelopment

Give me a call or message about this if you want, would be more than happy to help you out. [email protected], my phone number is on my website and I can be reached at any time.

MorseAircraftDevelopment

Looks like we will be test flying this plane late next week according to our weather.

MorseAircraftDevelopment

I have been messaged multiple times if I sell these Jets, I do not, Chief Aircraft is the sole importer and dealer of them. (http://www.chiefaircraft.com/radio-c...lphin-jet.html) I will however, be offering a "completion" kit for the TR version. This kit will include the following.

-UAT and mount with template for cutting the trays in the plane to accept it.
-Larger fuel line
-Larger brass tubing for stopper
-T&B Zip ties and safety wire (your choice here)
-Bigger clunk
-Fuel line holders for making it look like my install, for both the feed line to the UAT from the tank and for the line that runs to the turbine
-Turbine Fuel pump Mount
-Jersey Modeler Dry Break system to include a plywood backer for the vent
-"p" clamps for your turbine wires
-Three feet of braded loom for your turbine harness to include heat shrink for the ends
-Comprehensive manual to go over set up and installation of these parts and general notes to new builders

-There will be an option to add a Air Fail Safe switch to auto down your gear incase you loose air pressure.
-**I am currently also developing an intake to smooth out the intake ducts. That will be available soon to purchase.**

I am pricing these parts now and they will not be more than what you could buy them for separately, and shipping will be free in lower 48 states (and Alaska)

I am also offering a flat rate build charge for these jets. $500.00 To include the following;

You will receive a binder containing the following

• Manuals
• Build Pics
• Weights and Balances
• Electrical schematic
• Pneumatic schematic
• Fuel System schematic
• Builders Notes
• Turbine settings
• Radio Mapping
• PowerBox Mapping (if applicable)
• Flash Drive containing backup programming for radio and PowerBox

All of our wiring and airline will be secured every 6 to 12 inches and have braided loom.

Equipment can be supplied by the customer or obtained through Morse Aircraft Development. Discounts may apply if applicable.

Customer will receive updates, to include pictures, via email.

Every aircraft will have a professional photo shoot prior to first flight.

Shipping and crating will be determined at time of completion. (if we leave the rudder off it can go back in the original packaging)

We retain a full binder on every aircraft we build. If your binder is lost, contact us for another copy.

We can program just about every radio that would be used, We have almost all of them.

We offer a test flight and trim setup (linkage adjustment so sub trims are zero) this will include a video and photos as well.

MorseAircraftDevelopment

I can say it has been a pretty strait forward build without much hassle at all. It really does build more like a aerobatic plane from Pilot than a Jet from any other manufacturer. The overall quality is great. Now lets talk about the last few things I did to it to conclude the build part of the thread.

First I mounted all the batteries and radio gear. I did this after placing the plane on a balancer and moving stuff around until I got the balance where I wanted it. I balanced with a full UAT and the gear in the down position. We do this because the UAT should always be full and the gear is down in landing and takeoff conditions. The Fuel tank in the jet is properly located on the CG (actually just forward of it). The tank sits 80% ahead of the CG, leaving about 20% behind the CG. This is nice because you never have to worry about the plane going tail heavy on you as fuel burns. You take off with a nose heavy jet, and as you burn fuel you are moving closer to a neutral balanced plane. This make landings easier. Now, back to the radio install. I placed the receiver batteries on top of the nose gear well, and then the turbine battery aft of that, followed by the fuel pump, followed by the gyro and receiver. If you look back at the thread you can see the weight of each of these items. The radio install was strait forward and was not any harder than a basic jet, plug your servo leads into the receiver (or gyro and receiver in my case) and move on to programming. The voltage regulator they give is a nice piece of equipment, it gives you four inputs from the receiver and four outputs to servos, I ran them just because it was there and my receiver is getting power in four ports now because all four inputs of the regulator supply power out to the receiver. So this reduces the load on the receiver and gives it power across the receiver board. Nice added bonus from Pilot. The regulator had two beefy inputs for power from your receiver pack, I cut the connectors they had on them off and ran Deans Ultras to them.

Now onto the air system. The air system is not really how I would have done it if I was starting from scratch with it. Let me explain this. They used two air tanks and combined them for both breaks and gear. I would prefer to have the system separate, but I can see why they did this from a beginner standpoint and TR standpoint. This eliminates one more fill valve and one more pressure gauge. and if the systems were separate they would have needed one big tank and one smaller tank, in this install I don't see how there would be room in the plane. (at least where they are mounted now, there is plenty of room in the turbine bay for more air). Since they used two medium sized tanks they can join them and get more capacity that way since the gear eats up more than the brakes ever will. Next lets talk about a air failsafe. I installed a Tams Air Failsafe. I am a true believer in safety. This piece of equipment can save the day if you develop an air leak in flight. Once the pressure drops to the programmed amount the gear swings down and will not allow you to put it back up. The alternative is a belly landing when your gear will not come down. Lastly on the topic of the air system, the air lines at the wing root. Here is where I was not too happy, they are a pain in the butt to get on. First you must have the plane upside down (no big deal), remove the cover, slide the wings on the tube, (still nothing new here) my issue was with the colors... one red, one green? and one yellow? it is really hard to tell the difference, not to mention you need really small hands to get in there to tighten them down. I ended up marking the brake lines so I don't have to go through that again. Now, sliding the wings into position to lock them down. took a few minutes to figure out that everything has to be in just the right spot for the wing to clear the wing root. There is no room to push the excess into the fuse because of how the lines are held into the fuse, so everything has to get pushed into the wing. Kind of a pain until you do it a few times. other than that the air system held air overnight and works like a champ.

Ill include some pics now for you to see the final radio install and such. then ill do a "hits and "misses" post shortly. My plan is to fly the plane as soon as weather permits. this weekend is looking great.

MorseAircraftDevelopment

Pilot Dolphin Jet

Wingspan: Standard Wing: 86.6 in, Sport Wing: 77.2 in (2.0m)Wing Area: 1274 sq in
Fuselage length: 84.3 in
Weight: 24 lbsEngine: 18-35 lbs 80-140N

We used the Sport Wing version Turbine Ready

Equipment used;

King Tech K100G
Futaba 18MZ
Futaba 7008 receiver
Demon Gyro
Tail Dagger RC 2500 LiFe (2)
Tams Air Failsafe
Jersey Modeler Dry Break Sysytem
UAT
Festo Fuel Filter/Ball Valve/6mm to 4mm reducer

OURS CAME OUT AT 23LBS 12.6 OZ


HITS

Great price on a turbine ready jet
Plane is built stout
The ability for the average pilot to "rebuild" crash damage (free wood parts)
Plane builds easy
Alignment lines on turbine rails
Great looking wood jet with a great covering job
Servos are pre installed and require little adjustment
Landing gear pre installed and worked properly
You can order custom schemes from the factory at a minimal cost!! just contact Tony at [email protected]

Misses

Fuel line too small for todays turbines
Vent has no way to hook "taxi" tank to it
Would have liked to seen the TR version come with a UAT installed from the factory
Air lines are too close in color for easy no mistake connection at wing root
Have to remove the bottom panel with four screws every time for wing removal and install
Not enough clearance in wing root for wires and air lines to clear easily or enough slack to hook them up very easily

Pricing from Chief Aircraft and direct From Pilot as follows

Tailpipe Only: $1,099.00
Tailpipe & Landing Gear: $1,599.00
Turbine Ready Version: $2,599.00


Chief charges 125.00 flat rate shipping
Shipping from Tony was in the same area if I remember correctly. Had mine in under two weeks. ( just to keep in mind in between containers, or custom schemes)

WE OFFER BUILDING SERVICES ON ANY VERSION OF THESE AND CAN DRAW THE CUSTOM SCHEMES AND YOU CAN HAVE THEM SHIPPED DIRECTLY TO US FROM PILOT AFTER YOU PAY PILOT FOR THE PLANE


Flight Report and Videos coming SOON!!!!

MorseAircraftDevelopment

Thought I should take some quick shots outside for you guys. Bad lighting today but you get the idea of it put together.

net

With all the scoutillbut about the knew trainer jet, that the knew up and coming jet pilots are looking for.
DO this build and review with a sport wing?

Bob

MorseAircraftDevelopment

Yes, If you test a plane with the smaller of two wing types you can come to the conclusion that the "larger" wing with a fatter chord will perform more on the trainer side of things, versus the sport side. Common knowledge of simple aerodynamics will back this theory up. I am testing the sport jet which has less wing area, a thinner wing chord and higher wing loading. If this jet performs great, the "trainer" style wing will just improve on that. Now, if guys are running the 140, they will most certainly be over the weight that is stated by Pilot by at least 1.5-2 lbs, thus raising the cubic wing loading. For these guys I would suggest the larger wing to compensate for the added weight, same is true if you want to run smoke and such. If you want I'm sure I can have a set of "trainer" wings here in a couple weeks so you can see the data prove simple aerodynamic theories. The way a plane flies comes down to a few things, weight (cubic wing loading, not square wing loading) the placement of that weight and general airfoil design and placement. I have talked with Tony at great length on this subject and am sure that all this was taken into account for both wing types. I am not a "new" jet pilot and actually plan on flying this jet a lot, and chose not to have the trainer wing. Hope this clears up why I went with the "sport" wing.

net

I would like to see some good flight testing with the trainer wing, a beter flight performance video than the one that Pilot did. - a grass short field takeoff and landings and close in flying. with and without the winglits I'm sure that uthere's would like to see this to. thanks

Bob

MorseAircraftDevelopment

You will get a better video for sure, I make really nice videos. This time of year in our area is not a good time to use the grass as a first option for takeoffs and landings. As you can see in the photos above it sits really low in even average grass. We will be flying it off of pavement. The gear is trailing link style, which is known for being good in grass, but its a low rider and has pretty small wheels, to handle much more than a golf course style field would be an experiment. There will be plenty of close in flying and in all attitudes. Most should not be disappointed with the video. We plan to put four to five flights on it Saturday, if everything goes good I'm sure by number four or five we will get stupid with it. I will look into getting a set of trainer wings, but it wont be before our initial flight tests. We will fly it with and without the side force generators. Do you have one of these coming Bob?

net

Not wet, I have got a few flights on a couple different jets in the past two years. I'm currently flying Hanger 9s The Beast 100cc and Pilots Edge 540 30% with a DA60. I love them both, the edge was new last year, a vary strong and light ARF,can take a beating. The wooden jet I was looking at and have flown four times is the DV8R from TBM. But I see that TBM is having trouble sending out kits with all the parts, and not giving good service after. I like PILOTS aircraft and would prefer a jet that looks like a jet.

Bob

MorseAircraftDevelopment

I like those prop planes as well, have owned both. I have a friend that has a DV8R as well. He has countless flights on it and built it strong. They are heavier if I remember correctly. I hope this Dolphin flies like I think it will just looking at the design. There are not too many things I would change at this point. I can see the SFG's being a wing ripper for "new" jet pilots. I am ready to put this through its paces, It looks to be strong where it needs to be for a "first" jet. People are going to have to remember throttle management with these jets, especially with the larger turbines. Tony did a lot of flight testing on these and I think he has brought a great product to the market. It is built just like his aerobatic planes, strong and light as far as I can tell. Like I said the true test will be in the air. As far as a grass field, just keep in mind when we give our report off pavement that your take off will be longer, but the landings will be shorter. Sorry I cant fly off grass for you but I think the review will help most people make a decision on the jet. I too like the idea of a wood jet that looks 90% like a jet versus a box with a turbine mounted on the back (but some of those boxes fly really good). And Pilots customer service is top notch in my opinion. I have repaired multiple Pilot planes for customers that were beyond repair if I could not have got the free wood parts and cowlings ect... hopefully my review of the build process and soon to be flight review give you enough information to make an informed decision on the jet. like I said before, I don't work for Pilot but I do like their product and am a club rep for them, basically an in between for Pilot customers in my area and the factory. If you ever have any questions if you decide to build one don't hesitate to contact me here or through my web site, always more than happy to help where I can. I don't pretend to know everything but I may be able to help.

sailing1

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Hey there Net. All good concerns and ones that I and many others have had at one time. I wouldn't worry too much about the trainer wing. If it flies well on the sport wing then it will just fly lighter and in a more forgiving manner on the trainer wing. The test flights are going to be made off of a 400 foot paved strip that most jet pilots would just scoff at as being too short. 400 foot take offs and landings on the sport wing will equate quite well to whatever length your grass strip is, assuming you are not taking off out of a wildlife preserve or something. And as to the DV8R, this plane will fly lots lighter, even with the sports wing. But it wont fly like the prop planes you mentioned so sit back and follow the test fights. Maybe it will be the perfect Jet for you to start with and maybe not. But whatever the results of the test flights you will be more informed and better equipped to jump into jets. Just be sure you have an experience Jet pilot with you to help make the jump into the turbine world.

smaze17

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Looks very similar to an L-39 which is awesome. Looks like Pilot's got a real winner here.

S