FAA now recruiting State, and Local Law enforcement to enforce interpretation?
01-11-2015, 07:20 PM
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Well, according to what the FAA was proposing, we can fly under AMA safety code, which say line of sight, under 400 feet, and a safety pilot standing by. In the US, you can fly on board a legal ultralight, kit or factory built, meeting the FAR part 103rules which is an real full size aircraft if you will. My 70 inch Kadet flying with 3 cameras I can switch between, one that can go 360 degrees so I have as good or better visibility than a full scale, I am being severely hampered. I also have 2 strobes from life jackets that can be seen for up to 2 miles in daylight, and God only knows how far at night, mounted just like full scale on the wing tips.
01-11-2015, 07:28 PM
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Well, according to what the FAA was proposing, we can fly under AMA safety code, which say line of sight, under 400 feet, and a safety pilot standing by. In the US, you can fly on board a legal ultralight, kit or factory built, meeting the FAR part 103rules which is an real full size aircraft if you will. My 70 inch Kadet flying with 3 cameras I can switch between, one that can go 360 degrees so I have as good or better visibility than a full scale, I am being severely hampered. I also have 2 strobes from life jackets that can be seen for up to 2 miles in daylight, and God only knows how far at night, mounted just like full scale on the wing tips.
01-11-2015, 08:49 PM
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Can you say "unfunded mandate" ? Being that we control our local law enforcement, the feds cannot force them to enforce "their" laws. There are many reasons why we need to get control over local police right now, and this is just another example. It is too bad the 10th amendment to the constitution is so weak now. We have the power to keep this under control if we could just unite properly.
01-11-2015, 09:36 PM
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Well, according to what the FAA was proposing, we can fly under AMA safety code, which say line of sight, under 400 feet, and a safety pilot standing by. In the US, you can fly on board a legal ultralight, kit or factory built, meeting the FAR part 103rules which is an real full size aircraft if you will. My 70 inch Kadet flying with 3 cameras I can switch between, one that can go 360 degrees so I have as good or better visibility than a full scale, I am being severely hampered. I also have 2 strobes from life jackets that can be seen for up to 2 miles in daylight, and God only knows how far at night, mounted just like full scale on the wing tips.
I wouldn't worry about flying in Idaho ... I don't think there are any contested areas to fly over. LOL
01-12-2015, 03:26 AM
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There are only so many videos that I care to make flying around the RC field. That is a fact soon to be discovered by many. So there has to be options other than an AMA sponsored field. I can hear general aviation aircraft from a long distance away. So if I am down on the deck (and not in classed airspace) when they pass, what am I hurting? I am not flying over people, traffic, or chasing animals.
Multi-rotors do not fit in well at an AMA field and they do not move like airplanes or helicopters so they are hard to fit into a "pattern". With over 20 thousand sold... where are they going to go to fly? They are not criminals.
The National Park Service is the one that upsets me the most. They should allow permitted flying. You pay a fee, you submit a flight plan. If approved, you fly. Simple, no approved flight plan on your person, you get a ticket. Simple
Multi-rotors do not fit in well at an AMA field and they do not move like airplanes or helicopters so they are hard to fit into a "pattern". With over 20 thousand sold... where are they going to go to fly? They are not criminals.
The National Park Service is the one that upsets me the most. They should allow permitted flying. You pay a fee, you submit a flight plan. If approved, you fly. Simple, no approved flight plan on your person, you get a ticket. Simple
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01-12-2015, 04:52 AM
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Can you say "unfunded mandate" ? Being that we control our local law enforcement, the feds cannot force them to enforce "their" laws. There are many reasons why we need to get control over local police right now, and this is just another example. It is too bad the 10th amendment to the constitution is so weak now. We have the power to keep this under control if we could just unite properly.
01-12-2015, 05:00 AM
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There are only so many videos that I care to make flying around the RC field. That is a fact soon to be discovered by many. So there has to be options other than an AMA sponsored field. I can hear general aviation aircraft from a long distance away. So if I am down on the deck (and not in classed airspace) when they pass, what am I hurting? I am not flying over people, traffic, or chasing animals.
Multi-rotors do not fit in well at an AMA field and they do not move like airplanes or helicopters so they are hard to fit into a "pattern". With over 20 thousand sold... where are they going to go to fly? They are not criminals.
The National Park Service is the one that upsets me the most. They should allow permitted flying. You pay a fee, you submit a flight plan. If approved, you fly. Simple, no approved flight plan on your person, you get a ticket. Simple
Multi-rotors do not fit in well at an AMA field and they do not move like airplanes or helicopters so they are hard to fit into a "pattern". With over 20 thousand sold... where are they going to go to fly? They are not criminals.
The National Park Service is the one that upsets me the most. They should allow permitted flying. You pay a fee, you submit a flight plan. If approved, you fly. Simple, no approved flight plan on your person, you get a ticket. Simple
01-12-2015, 05:25 AM
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This is a 2 way street! If idiots with quad copters and FPV would stop being morons we wouldn't be in such a situation! I'm so sick of people flying these things over kids soccer games, over other people's property, extreme high altitudes of full scale traffic and over crowded places like amusement parks! If these people would join the AMA and fly at approved locations this would barely be an issue! But instead every time a story hits the news the FAA steps up the game. Their biggest problem is they blanket the rules and don't seperate the people following the rules from the backyard Cowboys!!!
01-12-2015, 05:50 AM
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There are only so many videos that I care to make flying around the RC field. That is a fact soon to be discovered by many. So there has to be options other than an AMA sponsored field. I can hear general aviation aircraft from a long distance away. So if I am down on the deck (and not in classed airspace) when they pass, what am I hurting? I am not flying over people, traffic, or chasing animals.
Multi-rotors do not fit in well at an AMA field and they do not move like airplanes or helicopters so they are hard to fit into a "pattern". With over 20 thousand sold... where are they going to go to fly? They are not criminals.
The National Park Service is the one that upsets me the most. They should allow permitted flying. You pay a fee, you submit a flight plan. If approved, you fly. Simple, no approved flight plan on your person, you get a ticket. Simple
Multi-rotors do not fit in well at an AMA field and they do not move like airplanes or helicopters so they are hard to fit into a "pattern". With over 20 thousand sold... where are they going to go to fly? They are not criminals.
The National Park Service is the one that upsets me the most. They should allow permitted flying. You pay a fee, you submit a flight plan. If approved, you fly. Simple, no approved flight plan on your person, you get a ticket. Simple
on_your_six:
Neither did/does 3D, Fomies, Pattern, or IMAC Helies too don' fit ... the guys flying them tend to fly too close and right over the runway. I contend there is room for every discipline at an AMA field. If a person Pays has a Current AMA and is a current club member what gives the NON special interests to dictate to anyone. if U can't wait 8 minutes to fly the way U want then that's too bad.
The National Park Service shut down R/C Quadsdown because some one crashed one into Old Faithful or near there. Again the public NON-AMA flyer has to be educated that they are dangerious to them selves our Hobby/Sport and the Public. We do that by letting every one who posts somethng they did with QUADS / DRONES we point out (Politely) the wrong they are doing. If we don't Police our own Hobby/Sport then the Government will.
01-12-2015, 06:24 AM
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We DO NOT need any ADDITIONAL Gov't lookie-loos sticking their noses in our business. I am sure there are already laws on the books covering things that have happened with RC planes so far. Lord knows there must be BILLIONS of laws anyway, surely one or more covers misuse of RC items. We have MORE THAN ENOUGH gov't intervention in our daily life, so, I say NAY to the FAA expanding it's power trip.
01-12-2015, 06:39 AM
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We DO NOT need any ADDITIONAL Gov't lookie-loos sticking their noses in our business. I am sure there are already laws on the books covering things that have happened with RC planes so far. Lord knows there must be BILLIONS of laws anyway, surely one or more covers misuse of RC items. We have MORE THAN ENOUGH gov't intervention in our daily life, so, I say NAY to the FAA expanding it's power trip.
LBJ: Your Preaching to the choir. Tell it to the people that are causing the problems. Like HK Tower local Hobby shops ect. and the guy that posts a stupid video. U have to do it with tact not just tell them their stupid and wrong.
Speaking of The Local Hobby shop on the verge of extinction this is from the business section of the Milwaukee Sentential Journal.
http://www.jsonline.com/business/gre...288145821.html
01-12-2015, 09:15 AM
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However, PLEASE folks, let's curb the personal attacks.
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thanks for your continued support.
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01-12-2015, 11:33 AM
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An almost identical issue has taken place in the past with the Brady Bill gun control law. The Feds wanted the local sheriffs to investigate gun sales as part of the law. AZ (maybe NM) Sheriff Richard Mack challenged this and WON back in the 90's as I recall. He said there was no funding to do the Brady bill biddings. You can look this up on Yahoo for a more detailed and complete description.
01-12-2015, 12:48 PM
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01-12-2015, 01:02 PM
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An almost identical issue has taken place in the past with the Brady Bill gun control law. The Feds wanted the local sheriffs to investigate gun sales as part of the law. AZ (maybe NM) Sheriff Richard Mack challenged this and WON back in the 90's as I recall. He said there was no funding to do the Brady bill biddings. You can look this up on Yahoo for a more detailed and complete description.
01-12-2015, 02:25 PM
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While I do AGREE... The Forum Manager has decided (from prior experience) to leave this post here in the Jet Forum.
However, PLEASE folks, let's curb the personal attacks.
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thanks for your continued support.
However, PLEASE folks, let's curb the personal attacks.
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thanks for your continued support.
Also, the OP started another thread in the AMA thread as well, doesn't really have to do with AMA, can they be combined?
01-12-2015, 02:34 PM
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You most certainly pay local and state taxes for police to enforce the law, and keep the public safe. Who are first responders in your area if a real plane crashes, the FAA or your local police?
The FAA released guidance to the law enforcement community explaining the legal framework for the agency’s oversight of aviation safety in the U.S., including UAS operations
Where in that do you get the federal government is asking or telling the locals what to do? They are giving direction, guidance, support. It's a new process that needs to be clarified, otherwise local folks will either not know how to charge, or will incorrectly charge offenders.
I'm not a big fan of govt getting more involved in our lives, but this is something that is new and different and evolving. Just like the feds have to give direction on video taping officers, or how to document stops on citizens etc etc, nothing wrong with getting feedback and help.
01-12-2015, 03:45 PM
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What I don't like is being pushed to have to join a AMA licensed flying club, the clubs in my area are full of old timers looking over your shoulder telling you how to fly and what you can and cannot do, right now I fly at a high school that has no homes near it because it's in the country side, mostly farming fields around it, if I crash I hurt nobody, under these new rules would I still be permitted to fly at locations like this? And also I have no problem whatsoever with older folks in the hobby, just the ones at the local field. there old asses who can barely fly a trainer and have no business telling me what to do, I even had an old timer from the field see my flying so he felt inclined to stop and tell me I should be flying at the club where more experienced flyers can keep an eye on me lmao.
01-12-2015, 04:15 PM
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What I don't like is being pushed to have to join a AMA licensed flying club, the clubs in my area are full of old timers looking over your shoulder telling you how to fly and what you can and cannot do, right now I fly at a high school that has no homes near it because it's in the country side, mostly farming fields around it, if I crash I hurt nobody, under these new rules would I still be permitted to fly at locations like this? And also I have no problem whatsoever with older folks in the hobby, just the ones at the local field. there old asses who can barely fly a trainer and have no business telling me what to do, I even had an old timer from the field see my flying so he felt inclined to stop and tell me I should be flying at the club where more experienced flyers can keep an eye on me lmao.
not said you have to join a club as far as I know. I think it's clear the FAA want us to fly at flying sites but has not said it has to be a CBO site or if such is the only place we
can fly. Also the FAA has not said what flying under the programming of a CBO means in their interpretation either so until the full rules come out to me it's kind of a
guessing game.
IMO I think the FAA should have finished with all rules and definitions before asking for local law enforcement to be involved.
