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A little bug for me with the latest Futaba 18mz software update. 2.5.1 Anyone else?

Old 07-28-2015, 09:45 AM
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Sorry if my post was not completely clear ; I was only talking about the issue how to upgrade the higher version(s), caused by using a Mac computer (resulting in the mentioned "some files are not compatible" error message during the installation process), and not about the telemetry bugs itself in the pertaining transmitter software.
Old 08-25-2015, 04:13 PM
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I just Noticed Futaba has an August 5, 2015 date on this update.

Editor Version: 2.5 Encoder version: 2.2

But it is still calling it a 2.5.1 which is the version that didn't play well with the Airspeed Telemetry.

Has anyone updated with this version and is it any different than the one that was out in January?

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Old 08-26-2015, 12:13 PM
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Hello Steve,

I´m stil wondering that you got a Version 2.5.1 already in January.

I got here from Robbe in Germany a non released (Beta) Version 2.5.1 in May. I tested it an gave Robbe Futaba a report back becaus of our FEPC and FSS products.
This version had not the known issues we know from 2.5.0 in respect to the IAS and GPS Speed Display.
I´m still using the Version 2.5.1 Beta with my test models.

Unfortunatly I lost my contact at Robbe because Robbe went into insolvency.

Ripmax the new German Futaba Distributor released aprox. two week ago a now official Version 2.5.1 for T18MZ.

I would suggest in your case pull the now official released 2.5.1 and install it.

BR
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Old 08-27-2015, 09:42 PM
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I think it is Fixed !!!!!!!!!!!! Woo Hoo!

To be a little cautious I only tested this on 1 plane and on the bench.

Tested with the CB Elektronics 460.

Fired up in Yard-Pounds and zeroed out at 0 MPH. Switched over to Metic and zeroed out at 0 kph

I did NOT get the 32 mph error at start up. I think Futaba fixed the bug !!!

Happy Flying

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Old 08-27-2015, 11:03 PM
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But Futaba still need to get all the display units fixed - so that we don't have use RPM for ml or temp for voltage etc. Surely all they have to do (for now) is to give us the option to change the display unit (not only the name of the sensor). Changing and updating verbal warnings to have the correct terminology, can come later.

Jan

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Old 08-28-2015, 04:05 PM
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I just updated the GPS II and the teleconvertor tonight to the most recent software updates and updated the 18MZ to editor 2.5.1, encoder 2.2. When set to "Yard/Pounds" unit measurement, I'm still getting 32 F for the temp reading. Switching to metric zeroes everything. I didn't have the success that Steve had. Any suggestions?
Old 08-28-2015, 04:24 PM
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That's too bad Mike. The CB Elektronics 460 spoofs the Robbe GPS unit for speed. It doesn't convert it from temperature. I haven't tried it with my ASSI device planes, not sure what they will do.

I kept the copy of the earlier Update Folder on the SD card and renamed the folder Update.Prev in case I need to go back. I will try and do some testing in the air this weekend.
Old 08-28-2015, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Springbok Flyer
But Futaba still need to get all the display units fixed - so that we don't have use RPM for ml or temp for voltage etc. Surely all they have to do (for now) is to give us the option to change the display unit (not only the name of the sensor). Changing and updating verbal warnings to have the correct terminology, can come later.

Jan
I posted this in the radio support forum nine months ago! I've given up hope on Futaba releasing any useful updates in general or any updates that will play nice with Xicoy.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/futa...l#post11917056
Old 08-29-2015, 03:23 AM
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Still beating your head against the wall?
Old 08-29-2015, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob_B
Still beating your head against the wall?
Yes, would you happen to have an icepack, Excedrin, and a Jeti DS-24?
Old 08-30-2015, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by afterburner
Yes, would you happen to have an icepack, Excedrin, and a Jeti DS-24?
Very Funny ! I want a talking timer too! Cmon Futaba, you've gotta keep up/catch up to the Germans !
Old 08-30-2015, 08:12 AM
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Actually Jeti is Czech
Old 08-30-2015, 10:54 AM
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Gents,

After hours of beating my head against a wall (having joined Marty), I have yet to have the PB teleconverter downlink data to my 18MZ. My installation is;

Futaba 18MZ Editor v2.5.1 Encoder 2.2
Futaba 7008SB receivers operating in dual. Telemetry is active and the teleconverter is plugged in the S-Bus 2 port of the primary receiver.
Powerbox GPS II v0.1.0 set to Royal SRS in Terminal.
Powerbox Teleconverter v0.3 set to T18MZ in Terminal.
Powerbox Royal SRS v9.3

I've registered and installed the teleconverter as per instructions included with the teleconverter as well as tips on the PB forum. The only telemetry data received at the transmitter is the battery voltage. No Powerbox data is being received. I am showing strong signal in the tx in the telemetry section. The GPS is acquiring satellites and the LED is solid green. Using the advice on the PB forum, I've performed the data reset (telemetry) and sensor reload. Still no Powerbox data received at the transmitter.

I've compared my transmitter settings with a successful teleconverter operator and they are identical.

Any suggestions on configuration changes that I've missed or is it possible that I've got a defective teleconverter?

Thanks!
Mike
Old 08-30-2015, 11:36 AM
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Mike,

In case you didn't try it already I would suggest to re-bind both receivers when in dual configuration! The difficulty might be that there are now two receivers both believing they are "primary" ones. This causes telemetry conflict.

AND: make sure you really bind both separately: you must remove SRS cable from SRS Royal as otherwise you end up re-binding both receivers as "secondary" eventually. (as turning of receiver power from PowerBox will impact on both receivers

Regards, Ilkka
Old 09-20-2015, 09:46 PM
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Any news guys? Does 2.5.1 resolve the units conversion on speed or does it not? .. since we have conflicting reports here.

Also, does anyone have the 2.4.1 download zip files? I would like to get the CB FEPC working but I have only the 2.3 version on my radio and don't want to go to 2.5.x until the units bug is fixed. Apparently 2.4.1 has the Current sensor that I need for the FEPC (2.3 does not) and I see that only 2.5.1 is on Futaba's website here in the US.

Sigh...

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Old 09-21-2015, 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ww2birds
Any news guys? Does 2.5.1 resolve the units conversion on speed or does it not? .. since we have conflicting reports here.

Also, does anyone have the 2.4.1 download zip files? I would like to get the CB FEPC working but I have only the 2.3 version on my radio and don't want to go to 2.5.x until the units bug is fixed. Apparently 2.4.1 has the Current sensor that I need for the FEPC (2.3 does not) and I see that only 2.5.1 is on Futaba's website here in the US.

Sigh...

Dave McQ
Hi Dave,

In addition to my installation as described above, I've updated the Royal SRS to v10.3, replaced the teleconverter, re-registered the teleconverter and GPS II, and not only have the units conversion issue yet, but I'm getting no telemetry through the Powerbox. When setting the GPS to Futaba in Terminal and plugging into the Sbus2 port, then I get GPS data at the TX. However, when configuring the GPS for Royal telemetry and using the teleconverter, I get no data at the TX other than 5.9v rx voltage which is coming from the Futaba telemetry, not the Powerbox telemetry. For now, I'm using the GPS for the iGyro but I've given up on Powerbox telemetry.
Old 09-21-2015, 07:56 AM
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thanks for the news Mike. I have a PB teleconverter but have not tried to use it. I thought Don D had his working with some help from the PB gang at KY jets.. sorry to hear your issues. I've always found that the PB guys have super good and responsive help via their forum .. I see you've been over there too.

We really need the Futaba guys to wake up here. Grumble...

Dave
Old 09-21-2015, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ww2birds
thanks for the news Mike. I have a PB teleconverter but have not tried to use it. I thought Don D had his working with some help from the PB gang at KY jets.. sorry to hear your issues. I've always found that the PB guys have super good and responsive help via their forum .. I see you've been over there too.

We really need the Futaba guys to wake up here. Grumble...

Dave
Hey Dave,

I don't have any experience with the PB Teleconverter but the 2.5.1 upgrade DOES work with all of my CB Elektronics airspeed indicators where the previous release did not. I am able to switch between kph and mph by changing System Units and the seem to be reading accurate airspeeds in either mode.

In addition you can use a single slot using the 'True Airspeed' sensor rather than spoofing the Robbe GPS sensor which requires 8 slots,

It also seems to be playing nice with the Xicoy data link on my Merlin 200 XBL. Although a lot of the data are spoofing Temperature Sensors they seem to be coming through accurately. In order for them to make sense you need to display in Metric Units as they are set up in Degrees Celsius. When you display in Yard-Pounds they are off by the predictable 9/5C +32 conversion. RPM is always accurate in either units as is EGT.

I do have the 2.4.1 files backed up somewhere. PM me if you still need them.

Happy Flying,

SteveK

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Old 09-21-2015, 05:01 PM
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thanks, Steve! the CB guys pointed me to the Ripmax site (Euro disturb for Futaba) who has all the old files if we need them .. nice.

Sounds like I'll go to 2.5.1

Many thanks for taking the time to relay your experience.

I prefer to run my system in yard-pound (mostly so I get familiar units at critical channels e.g. airspeed callouts on the voice synthesis from the CB pitot system while on final) and I've been learning to mentally map the 212F to 32F fuel state (since it's 0-100% Centigrade) to good cut points which leads to in comprehensive to my caller statements like "oh, I'm at 50 degrees, better think about landing" :-) And of course dealing with turbine temps in F .. sigh. Of course the telemetry is mostly used for alarms and limits so this is no so terrible...

But still, I SURE WISH the Futaba gang would give us units per channel, or user-namable units, or y=mx+b corrections or SOMETHINNG to help us.

I am also using the Xicoy link with a 200XBL (in an Ultra Bandit) ... very nice motor .. not as powerful as a P200 (to be fair the P200 is really a 230 N engine) but still plenty for the UB. What fuel "factor" are you using? I found out it had to be much lower than the 400 default...

Dave
Old 09-24-2015, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ww2birds

I am also using the Xicoy link with a 200XBL (in an Ultra Bandit) ... very nice motor .. not as powerful as a P200 (to be fair the P200 is really a 230 N engine) but still plenty for the UB. What fuel "factor" are you using? I found out it had to be much lower than the 400 default...

Dave
You are a little ahead of me. I hope to maiden my Skymaster Mig-29 with the 200XBL this weekend! What number are you using for the fuel "Factor"?

I had a P-200 in my previous Mig-29 (Sadly I fireballed it earlier this year.) I was hoping the 200XBL would be a good replacement. Lighter and better fuel economy. I love the brushless starter and fuel pump.


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Old 09-24-2015, 09:55 AM
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I don't have it dead-on yet, somewhere in the high 200s or low 300s I think is where I will end up .. I am still calibrating it. Will be soooo nice to have fuel state on telemetry.

The brushless starter and pump are very nice, fast crisp starts .. runs well ... not a lot of time on it yet .. maybe 15-20 flights.

All the best for the Mig-29 maiden.

Dave
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I finally purchased an 18MZ with plans to use it with my PowerBox Royal SRS and a Teleconverter but have read posts on this thread about issues with telemetry readings on the transmitter side. My current 18mz has 2.4.3 installed and would like to know if its worth the hassle upgrading to 2.5.1...
Old 01-12-2016, 04:22 PM
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Yes! 2.51 is a good upgrade. The one before it had the bugs. But those were fixed with the 2.51

It's really easy to update. Just put the update files on an SD card and flip the tiny switch over the SD card slot, power up and the radio does the rest. Power down, flip the switch back, power up. It does a little more updating and you are done.

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Wonderful!! I'll have it updated then very soon. With regards to turbine telemetry, is there any device available to link with Futaba's SBus2 to provide information on the transmitter for JetCentral turbines?

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Old 01-12-2016, 09:55 PM
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Take a look at this Ron:

http://www.dreamworksrc.com/catalog/...utaba-Jeti-Mpx

An awful lot of the Jet Central ECU's are made by Xicoy. If that is what you have this should work great.

Someone more familiar with Jet Central might chime in here. I use this on my Jets Munt Merlin 200xbl and it works great.

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