JR 28x, $1610
03-05-2015, 05:40 AM
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i just recently started buying stuff from http://www.ibcinyourc.com/ . i can't say enough about mike. The service is great and no matter how long it takes , he answers all your questions . I just left the DMSX world because i was being forced into the Spectrum radio world " JR no longer makes receivers for their older DMSX radios" that's a whole different thread. i hate spectrum stuff. Not because the technology but because of the quality. I know that statement might open a can of worms ,but i'm entitled to an opinion . So i started buying from mike at http://www.ibcinyourc.com/ and i plan on doing more buisness with him. His prices are fair and he's a good guy. i support the little guy. My XG14 , case and receivers will be here in three days and he gave me free shipping to boot.
03-05-2015, 06:09 AM
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Well you are fanboy for ignorance and stupidity, and your inane comparison between 2 identical items shows you will never learn. You might be comparing DSMJ and with DSMX, THIS IS NOT THE CASE. The DMSS protocol is identical worldwide the same way Futaba FASST, FHSS, FASTEST is identical world wide including power ouput. The power output even in Japan well exceeds line of sight, it amazes me you think that this is not sufficient.
You should stop your quest of nonsense now.
BTW, I have tomahawk and BVM jets as well I am not a fanboi for any brand, all planes have there strengths and weaknesses, I don't' think you own a single jet aircraft, what are you doing on this forum?
03-05-2015, 06:22 AM
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Well you are fanboy for ignorance and stupidity, and your inane comparison between 2 identical items shows you will never learn. You might be comparing DSMJ and with DSMX, THIS IS NOT THE CASE. The DMSS protocol is identical worldwide the same way Futaba FASST, FHSS, FASTEST is identical world wide including power ouput. The power output even in Japan well exceeds line of sight, it amazes me you think that this is not sufficient.
You should stop your quest of nonsense now.
BTW, I have tomahawk and BVM jets as well I am not a fanboi for any brand, all planes have there strengths and weaknesses, I don't' think you own a single jet aircraft, what are you doing on this forum?
You should stop your quest of nonsense now.
BTW, I have tomahawk and BVM jets as well I am not a fanboi for any brand, all planes have there strengths and weaknesses, I don't' think you own a single jet aircraft, what are you doing on this forum?
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03-05-2015, 06:33 AM
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DSMJ is a restricted protocol in Japan limited to 10mw
DMSS is a certified protocol and is set to 100mw,
How much is 100mw? to put in Comparison Futaba's FASST system is set globally (apart from France) to 100mW EIRP. This is the same power level in Japan, EU and many other countries. While it is true that we are allowed up to 500mw, no radio mfg does this as they aren't going to make hardware specifically for each countries max output, they make stuff that would be allowed globally.
DMSS is also 100mw; the same power as Futaba, Jeti, Airtronics, and various other 2.4 ghz radios. A DMSS radio/rx purchased in Japan has the same powerout as in the U.S. anyone disagreeing with this is FLATOUT WRONG.
03-05-2015, 06:41 AM
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I want to further elaborate on this since flycarden is stinking up the thread with misinformation and lies:
DSMJ is a restricted protocol in Japan limited to 10mw
DMSS is a certified protocol and is set to 100mw,
How much is 100mw? to put in Comparison Futaba's FASST system is set globally (apart from France) to 100mW EIRP. This is the same power level in Japan, EU and many other countries. While it is true that we are allowed up to 500mw, no radio mfg does this as they aren't going to make hardware specifically for each countries max output, they make stuff that would be allowed globally.
DMSS is also 100mw; the same power as Futaba, Jeti, Airtronics, and various other 2.4 ghz radios. A DMSS radio/rx purchased in Japan has the same powerout as in the U.S. anyone disagreeing with this is FLATOUT WRONG.
DSMJ is a restricted protocol in Japan limited to 10mw
DMSS is a certified protocol and is set to 100mw,
How much is 100mw? to put in Comparison Futaba's FASST system is set globally (apart from France) to 100mW EIRP. This is the same power level in Japan, EU and many other countries. While it is true that we are allowed up to 500mw, no radio mfg does this as they aren't going to make hardware specifically for each countries max output, they make stuff that would be allowed globally.
DMSS is also 100mw; the same power as Futaba, Jeti, Airtronics, and various other 2.4 ghz radios. A DMSS radio/rx purchased in Japan has the same powerout as in the U.S. anyone disagreeing with this is FLATOUT WRONG.
I'm curious...where would I find the reference for your data? I did a cursory search but was unable to find something. Granted my internet search skills may have something to be desired.
03-05-2015, 09:26 AM
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Between the mature back and forth discussions between DiscoWings and Flycarden someone asked about JR Americas being the distributor for JR here in the U.S. and not Horizon. Never saw an answer, but I'm sure that person is correct. The JR Americas price for the 28X and the Horizon price are the exact same. I venture to say that if you go into any local hobby shop here in the U.S. you will pay $2600 for the radio. So I don't see any reason to bash Horizon for their high pricing. Bash everyone if you want to bash. And while you are at it, bash Tower/Futaba as well because you will pay $3000 for their flagship radio. Or, you could go out and fly (if the temp is north of freezing and you aren't under x feet of snow.
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03-05-2015, 10:28 AM
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Falconwings, do you know Jet Legend Makes stuff for BVM now? Since you also think Jet Legend is a POS therefore BVM is a pos as well? I suppose the Jetlegend F-16 was a POS, then all of a sudden BVM starts selling it it became a rose. People who believe in this logic are suckers.
My issue was how JL treated me like a moron and the distributor had to step in to make things right. It is fully described in the thread below. The issue was never about JL quality. I have not purchased anything JL again, but I would through Mike Lin or Dustin B.
Clarified? Ironically enough, if BVM was to take over Fly Eagle Jet, I'm sure the product and customer service would improve a lot, and perhaps you can fool someone into buying your POS that fill your garage.
Once again, your argument has failed due to lack of preparation.
03-05-2015, 11:25 AM
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I am continually surprised by the animosity in many responses on these forums. This is only a hobby.
Horizon is no longer the importer/distributor for JR. JR-America is now the US distributor and sets
US prices, so why dump on Horizon. As has also been pointed out, Horizon does push their own
products (engines and Spektrum radios) at the expense of other brands. They are in business
to make money so if you don't like it don't buy. I had a bad experience with Horizon and now never deal with
them if possible, and if I buy one of their products (and many are good) I buy from another vendor, never direct from Horizon.
My Spectrum DX-18 is excellent and I will be keeping it for my small electric models. But have been
already changing to JR DMSS for all my new models and will be getting a 28X as well as my current
DMSS transmitter.
If you decide to buy a JR product from outside the US you will not be able to get any service
in the US from Horizon or JR-America so will need to send it back to Japan.
That is inconvenient but it will be serviced by the JR factory and that could be better.
You the buyer need to decide how important local service and support is. I personally
try to support US distributors.
Horizon is no longer the importer/distributor for JR. JR-America is now the US distributor and sets
US prices, so why dump on Horizon. As has also been pointed out, Horizon does push their own
products (engines and Spektrum radios) at the expense of other brands. They are in business
to make money so if you don't like it don't buy. I had a bad experience with Horizon and now never deal with
them if possible, and if I buy one of their products (and many are good) I buy from another vendor, never direct from Horizon.
My Spectrum DX-18 is excellent and I will be keeping it for my small electric models. But have been
already changing to JR DMSS for all my new models and will be getting a 28X as well as my current
DMSS transmitter.
If you decide to buy a JR product from outside the US you will not be able to get any service
in the US from Horizon or JR-America so will need to send it back to Japan.
That is inconvenient but it will be serviced by the JR factory and that could be better.
You the buyer need to decide how important local service and support is. I personally
try to support US distributors.
03-05-2015, 01:00 PM
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Look, I saved $500! I found a good deal i guess. lmao! I saved $500! lol! Full product support, full power, full warranty, in english, no customs, free shipping, everything !! And Im not a douchebag! supporting those here in the states who will support me!
Oh and I got "Your free RG712BX receiver will be packaged inside your 28X transmitter case."
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Oh and I got "Your free RG712BX receiver will be packaged inside your 28X transmitter case."
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03-05-2015, 01:03 PM
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Scott,
Please don't put Disco off! He's a warrior of the toy plane world, gradually growing his incredible knowledge and helping us poor uniformed to see the light. He's a fanatic - and if the world has taught us nothing else, the world definitely needs more fanatics pushing their causes with vitriolic fervour - there is definitely NOTHING unhealthy about that
Meanwhile, I'll just go to the field and play with my toy planes with my mates. I've clearly been missing out on getting wound up and blowing my blood pressure through the roof on everything toy related.....
Please don't put Disco off! He's a warrior of the toy plane world, gradually growing his incredible knowledge and helping us poor uniformed to see the light. He's a fanatic - and if the world has taught us nothing else, the world definitely needs more fanatics pushing their causes with vitriolic fervour - there is definitely NOTHING unhealthy about that
Meanwhile, I'll just go to the field and play with my toy planes with my mates. I've clearly been missing out on getting wound up and blowing my blood pressure through the roof on everything toy related.....
03-05-2015, 01:09 PM
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Scott,
Please don't put Disco off! He's a warrior of the toy plane world, gradually growing his incredible knowledge and helping us poor uniformed to see the light. He's a fanatic - and if the world has taught us nothing else, the world definitely needs more fanatics pushing their causes with vitriolic fervour - there is definitely NOTHING unhealthy about that
Meanwhile, I'll just go to the field and play with my toy planes with my mates. I've clearly been missing out on getting wound up and blowing my blood pressure through the roof on everything toy related.....
Please don't put Disco off! He's a warrior of the toy plane world, gradually growing his incredible knowledge and helping us poor uniformed to see the light. He's a fanatic - and if the world has taught us nothing else, the world definitely needs more fanatics pushing their causes with vitriolic fervour - there is definitely NOTHING unhealthy about that
Meanwhile, I'll just go to the field and play with my toy planes with my mates. I've clearly been missing out on getting wound up and blowing my blood pressure through the roof on everything toy related.....
03-05-2015, 05:47 PM
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Are you kidding me? That plane is worth every cent of that, if not more. To build something of that level and authentication not only takes tremendous patience and talent, but years and years of experience! That experience isn't gained by spending hours and hours online finding ways to save $9....just IMHO.
Build something one day. Actually build something and you'll know. You won't find many people with Scott's scope of knowledge and experience in this hobby...I bet there aren't many kits/arfs he hasn't had or seen.
But, continue on your crusade to save people money on stuff you aren't buying....it's entertaining.
Build something one day. Actually build something and you'll know. You won't find many people with Scott's scope of knowledge and experience in this hobby...I bet there aren't many kits/arfs he hasn't had or seen.
But, continue on your crusade to save people money on stuff you aren't buying....it's entertaining.
03-05-2015, 07:02 PM
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I'm in the same situation as sideshow. Have a 12, not really looking for an 18. I don't understand the huge price increase for JR's flagship radio though, I think that price point is what's kept Futaba's flagship down in popularity, and JR is currently losing huge market share to Spektrum. A 3K TX isn't going to help fix that, assuming they want to "fix" it at all.
I love JR, and want to keep flying JR, so I hope the 28 comes down, regardless of who sells it.
flycarden, do you have an inside line from the JR retailer on what exactly IS being sold? How do you know that a US spec'd model wouldnt come from the place that has a good price?
I love JR, and want to keep flying JR, so I hope the 28 comes down, regardless of who sells it.
flycarden, do you have an inside line from the JR retailer on what exactly IS being sold? How do you know that a US spec'd model wouldnt come from the place that has a good price?
03-05-2015, 08:24 PM
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It is now up to $3,910.00 in Canada taxes included with our dollar that has gotten a lot weaker since this radio was first announced for sale.
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03-05-2015, 09:26 PM
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Jet pilot I dont know this disco guy but are you personally attacking him in a public forum?
"Listen everybody, Disco bought a second hand BVM and Tomahawk, he has street credit now! Hes no longer the unwise individual who flew without a turbine waiver for over a year while spewing misinformation and expertise all over the forums.
His Floaty Fragile Tomahawk and his Ultra Bandit proves hes an expert! his street credit is bought and paid for!! Now Respect!!
Please forget how he invested thousands in FEJ and recommended them to everyone. And that 1 page build showing his amazing building skills!
He has contributed such discoveries as "Foam fixes all structural issues" . This guy deserves respect!
Dont worry that he hasnt bothered to certify any of his POS aircraft over 55lbs, he'll just fly them illegally at his home field. shhhh! rules dont apply to him! (like the waiver thingy)
Hes come along way in 2 yrs from being just a troll with inaccurate rants, he now has all the expertise he has acquired from heresay, word on the street, strenuous google searches, and his wikipedia studies.
Hes made this forum what it is today!
you add zero value to this forum.
you have over 2k useless post and somehow manage to get mine removed.
My Radio shipped today. Ill put some pics up when it gets here.
It comes with the RG031BX RX
and i got the free RG712BX receiver
Scott "
His Floaty Fragile Tomahawk and his Ultra Bandit proves hes an expert! his street credit is bought and paid for!! Now Respect!!
Please forget how he invested thousands in FEJ and recommended them to everyone. And that 1 page build showing his amazing building skills!
He has contributed such discoveries as "Foam fixes all structural issues" . This guy deserves respect!
Dont worry that he hasnt bothered to certify any of his POS aircraft over 55lbs, he'll just fly them illegally at his home field. shhhh! rules dont apply to him! (like the waiver thingy)
Hes come along way in 2 yrs from being just a troll with inaccurate rants, he now has all the expertise he has acquired from heresay, word on the street, strenuous google searches, and his wikipedia studies.
Hes made this forum what it is today!
you add zero value to this forum.
you have over 2k useless post and somehow manage to get mine removed.
My Radio shipped today. Ill put some pics up when it gets here.
It comes with the RG031BX RX
and i got the free RG712BX receiver
Scott "
