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03-30-2015, 07:20 PM
#29
Just wondering what set up most people are using.
Ive got the bigger gyro in my other jets and I want to set this one up with the same switch.
I want to have the gyro assigned to a 3 position switch. Position one gyro off, position two gyro on normal mode at +40% gain, switch three I don't care as I don't like heading mode.
My question is, is the gyro gain percentage controlled by the throw on the servo channel? For example should I play around with the sub trim and end point adjustment to create what I'm after, or just do a mix with the gain channel as the master and slave.
I think I'm confusing myself ��
Thanks in advance
Levi
Ive got the bigger gyro in my other jets and I want to set this one up with the same switch.
I want to have the gyro assigned to a 3 position switch. Position one gyro off, position two gyro on normal mode at +40% gain, switch three I don't care as I don't like heading mode.
My question is, is the gyro gain percentage controlled by the throw on the servo channel? For example should I play around with the sub trim and end point adjustment to create what I'm after, or just do a mix with the gain channel as the master and slave.
I think I'm confusing myself ��
Thanks in advance
Levi
03-31-2015, 03:42 AM
#30
Yes, the servo throw is your gain. When the channel is centered you're at 0 gain. As you move away from center the direction you go (left or right for simplicity) selects the mode and the distance you go from center is the gain, the further left or right the more gain.
You can play with the terminal program and have less gain in normal mode on one position and more in the other for landing.
You can play with the terminal program and have less gain in normal mode on one position and more in the other for landing.
04-25-2015, 09:37 AM
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Nice read. I have both and yet to fly either. Bought over the nasty winter we had!!! I don't follow trends so I'll make up my mind myself. I'm sure they have different characteristics but so doesn't the plane it goes in. I'm sure I will love both in the end. The great thing about this hobby is that I have choices. 
06-02-2015, 09:44 AM
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Well ive decided to give the 3E a try in my carf hawk, I have never used a gyro before apart from one I have on a little foamy, so I will be interested to see the difference, My only problem I've just realised is I'm all ready using all 12 channels on my receiver and haven't got a spare channel for the Gyro 
06-02-2015, 11:13 AM
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Well ive decided to give the 3E a try in my carf hawk, I have never used a gyro before apart from one I have on a little foamy, so I will be interested to see the difference, My only problem I've just realised is I'm all ready using all 12 channels on my receiver and haven't got a spare channel for the Gyro
Up in the air on that one still.
06-02-2015, 11:24 AM
#35
Like others said before. I have my gyro on my flap switch. Low gain for normal flight high gain when flaps are down. No extra switches to hit during flight at all. I know you where talking about some twitching problems well that needs to be fixed and then leave the gyro on all the time.
What type of oscillations where you having? Also what axis was it on?
Need to make sure also you have an oscillation and your not just seeing the the slight movements from the gyro making corrections. I think you said before it was on the roll axis right? Was it shaking around violently with each wingtip moving about 4 or 5 inches or just little slight movements?
What type of oscillations where you having? Also what axis was it on?
Need to make sure also you have an oscillation and your not just seeing the the slight movements from the gyro making corrections. I think you said before it was on the roll axis right? Was it shaking around violently with each wingtip moving about 4 or 5 inches or just little slight movements?
I am sure you are away you have to have it. One thing I didn't account for is the switching of gains during flight, or in my case turning the gyro off and on. I now have to decide if this extra task during flying outweighs the risk of cross wind landings which I got the gyro to help with.
Up in the air on that one still.
Up in the air on that one still.
06-03-2015, 05:44 AM
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A flap switch setting might be the way to go or just leave it on a switch, I want to be able to turn it off completely just in case. I think I can get used to it, I have a jet with thrust vectoring and I have to turn that off an on during flight.
The oscillation, if you can call it that, was only noticeable on a low and medium speed fly by. I am uncertain which axis it would be on, probably aileron and maybe the rudder too. If I had to put a distance on it, I would say the wing tips were going may 1/4" to 1/2" . It was a very fast twitch, not noticeable 50 feet up. I do know the oscillation you speak of, I got it when I turned the gain up too high. Its not doing that.
I am going to back off the in flight gain to 50% of the value I had, and use the value I have for landing. It was really solid on landing.
The rudder was kicking, and the elevator kept the nose attitude where I put it. It landed in a 15 mph cross wind as if it were a 7mph head wind. It was really odd feeling at first because on final turn I get some bouncing and it wasnt doing that. I think it is due to the elevator, I tend to over react on the elevator a lot and the only time it smooths out really is if it stalls. However this time it was they gyro and I had to only concentrate on setting the gear on the runway. No yaw correction, which then needs a roll correction, which eats speed etc etc.. Just had to set it down!
I can see now why you guys like gyros, but in my heart I know my skills will be weaker, but if I don't need them who cares right? Besides for me its about not doing repairs, those nasty variable cross winds have cost me a few sets of flex plates and a crack on top of both wings from the gear hitting it when the plates break.
The oscillation, if you can call it that, was only noticeable on a low and medium speed fly by. I am uncertain which axis it would be on, probably aileron and maybe the rudder too. If I had to put a distance on it, I would say the wing tips were going may 1/4" to 1/2" . It was a very fast twitch, not noticeable 50 feet up. I do know the oscillation you speak of, I got it when I turned the gain up too high. Its not doing that.
I am going to back off the in flight gain to 50% of the value I had, and use the value I have for landing. It was really solid on landing.
The rudder was kicking, and the elevator kept the nose attitude where I put it. It landed in a 15 mph cross wind as if it were a 7mph head wind. It was really odd feeling at first because on final turn I get some bouncing and it wasnt doing that. I think it is due to the elevator, I tend to over react on the elevator a lot and the only time it smooths out really is if it stalls. However this time it was they gyro and I had to only concentrate on setting the gear on the runway. No yaw correction, which then needs a roll correction, which eats speed etc etc.. Just had to set it down!
I can see now why you guys like gyros, but in my heart I know my skills will be weaker, but if I don't need them who cares right? Besides for me its about not doing repairs, those nasty variable cross winds have cost me a few sets of flex plates and a crack on top of both wings from the gear hitting it when the plates break.
06-03-2015, 06:49 AM
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I have a switch that turns the gyro on and off. I leave it on all the time but could turn it off if needed. Then I use a mix on my flaps to adjust gain lower for flaps up and higher for flaps down.
The little movements you are seeing is not due to the gain being to high then and is you gyro making little corrections. In bumpy air this is normal and you might need to increase gain some if you want.
The little movements you are seeing is not due to the gain being to high then and is you gyro making little corrections. In bumpy air this is normal and you might need to increase gain some if you want.
A flap switch setting might be the way to go or just leave it on a switch, I want to be able to turn it off completely just in case. I think I can get used to it, I have a jet with thrust vectoring and I have to turn that off an on during flight.
The oscillation, if you can call it that, was only noticeable on a low and medium speed fly by. I am uncertain which axis it would be on, probably aileron and maybe the rudder too. If I had to put a distance on it, I would say the wing tips were going may 1/4" to 1/2" . It was a very fast twitch, not noticeable 50 feet up. I do know the oscillation you speak of, I got it when I turned the gain up too high. Its not doing that.
I am going to back off the in flight gain to 50% of the value I had, and use the value I have for landing. It was really solid on landing.
The rudder was kicking, and the elevator kept the nose attitude where I put it. It landed in a 15 mph cross wind as if it were a 7mph head wind. It was really odd feeling at first because on final turn I get some bouncing and it wasnt doing that. I think it is due to the elevator, I tend to over react on the elevator a lot and the only time it smooths out really is if it stalls. However this time it was they gyro and I had to only concentrate on setting the gear on the runway. No yaw correction, which then needs a roll correction, which eats speed etc etc.. Just had to set it down!
I can see now why you guys like gyros, but in my heart I know my skills will be weaker, but if I don't need them who cares right? Besides for me its about not doing repairs, those nasty variable cross winds have cost me a few sets of flex plates and a crack on top of both wings from the gear hitting it when the plates break.
The oscillation, if you can call it that, was only noticeable on a low and medium speed fly by. I am uncertain which axis it would be on, probably aileron and maybe the rudder too. If I had to put a distance on it, I would say the wing tips were going may 1/4" to 1/2" . It was a very fast twitch, not noticeable 50 feet up. I do know the oscillation you speak of, I got it when I turned the gain up too high. Its not doing that.
I am going to back off the in flight gain to 50% of the value I had, and use the value I have for landing. It was really solid on landing.
The rudder was kicking, and the elevator kept the nose attitude where I put it. It landed in a 15 mph cross wind as if it were a 7mph head wind. It was really odd feeling at first because on final turn I get some bouncing and it wasnt doing that. I think it is due to the elevator, I tend to over react on the elevator a lot and the only time it smooths out really is if it stalls. However this time it was they gyro and I had to only concentrate on setting the gear on the runway. No yaw correction, which then needs a roll correction, which eats speed etc etc.. Just had to set it down!
I can see now why you guys like gyros, but in my heart I know my skills will be weaker, but if I don't need them who cares right? Besides for me its about not doing repairs, those nasty variable cross winds have cost me a few sets of flex plates and a crack on top of both wings from the gear hitting it when the plates break.
06-03-2015, 10:55 AM
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Thanks, I'll fly it again and take a look. I didn't see it as threatening the integrity of my jet, it was pretty minute. Minute enough that if it is dangerous, we would see a lot of jets crashing. I am also wondering about the refresh rate I can set, its almost like the servos are not reacting fast enough.
I'll try a couple things, thanks for the help.
I'll try a couple things, thanks for the help.
06-04-2015, 05:30 AM
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I found the instructions lacking and the gyro isn't labeled on one side making me guess where the servos plug in. There is also an elevator A and elevator B but only B works on mine.
Somehow for a while I had the elevator moving on both the roll and the pitch axis which I am not even sure how that was possible.
In the end I think I had servos plugged into the wrong port but not sure how the heck I managed to have 1 servo on 2 axis, I am not using any Y cables
If I had to set it up again I think it would go smoother but without help from Ali like some people had, its actually not the most intuitive process.
With that said, its a great product but there is a reason why some have issues and I don't thinks its a lack of intelligence. A few tweeks, a video, or something can help smooth things out a bit.
I was told in another thread the small oscillations probably destroyed my jet and I should check for loose surfaces. I still don't know what the heck is going on and if there is something wrong or not. I'll just have to play with it. But in reality the manufacturer should provide more information to take out the guess work and what to expect during normal operation.
Somehow for a while I had the elevator moving on both the roll and the pitch axis which I am not even sure how that was possible.
In the end I think I had servos plugged into the wrong port but not sure how the heck I managed to have 1 servo on 2 axis, I am not using any Y cables
If I had to set it up again I think it would go smoother but without help from Ali like some people had, its actually not the most intuitive process.
With that said, its a great product but there is a reason why some have issues and I don't thinks its a lack of intelligence. A few tweeks, a video, or something can help smooth things out a bit.
I was told in another thread the small oscillations probably destroyed my jet and I should check for loose surfaces. I still don't know what the heck is going on and if there is something wrong or not. I'll just have to play with it. But in reality the manufacturer should provide more information to take out the guess work and what to expect during normal operation.
06-04-2015, 05:52 AM
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Hi Essyou, I am not an expert but I just put an igyro in my Viperjet. When I plugged it in without assigning a channel to it, that is i plugged it into the servos, igyro then receiver, the gyro did as you described. As soon as I put it on a rotary dial it initialised and worked perfectly. I think when it isn't assigned to a switch you get a combination of heading hold and normal.
06-04-2015, 06:02 AM
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Are you going to Kentucky this year? If you are I would be willing to help you get it dialed in.
I found the instructions lacking and the gyro isn't labeled on one side making me guess where the servos plug in. There is also an elevator A and elevator B but only B works on mine.
Somehow for a while I had the elevator moving on both the roll and the pitch axis which I am not even sure how that was possible.
In the end I think I had servos plugged into the wrong port but not sure how the heck I managed to have 1 servo on 2 axis, I am not using any Y cables
If I had to set it up again I think it would go smoother but without help from Ali like some people had, its actually not the most intuitive process.
With that said, its a great product but there is a reason why some have issues and I don't thinks its a lack of intelligence. A few tweeks, a video, or something can help smooth things out a bit.
I was told in another thread the small oscillations probably destroyed my jet and I should check for loose surfaces. I still don't know what the heck is going on and if there is something wrong or not. I'll just have to play with it. But in reality the manufacturer should provide more information to take out the guess work and what to expect during normal operation.
Somehow for a while I had the elevator moving on both the roll and the pitch axis which I am not even sure how that was possible.
In the end I think I had servos plugged into the wrong port but not sure how the heck I managed to have 1 servo on 2 axis, I am not using any Y cables
If I had to set it up again I think it would go smoother but without help from Ali like some people had, its actually not the most intuitive process.
With that said, its a great product but there is a reason why some have issues and I don't thinks its a lack of intelligence. A few tweeks, a video, or something can help smooth things out a bit.
I was told in another thread the small oscillations probably destroyed my jet and I should check for loose surfaces. I still don't know what the heck is going on and if there is something wrong or not. I'll just have to play with it. But in reality the manufacturer should provide more information to take out the guess work and what to expect during normal operation.
06-04-2015, 07:08 AM
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I was just giving feedback. Its been established I am dumb ok? I got it working and really like it, just going to check out a small oscillation I have (if that's what it is), I'll see if I can get a vid. I need a few more flights but our weather this year is nothing but rain and wind for months now.
06-04-2015, 08:18 AM
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I was just offering that as a possible explanation In retrospect it is easy but I fumbled around a little. It didn't help I mounted my gyro in an area it was hard to see, I had to change that. if it were marked, I would not have to be able to see directly above it, I could look from the side.
Thanks for your help, I just need to dial it I guess. I just hope I am not destroying my jet somehow.
BTW, I looked into the 1e for steering, I canto believe it costs half a much, seems like it cost way too much. I am thinking 25% the cost of a full 3 axis gyro would seem appropriate? If you take that 1e into account to get everything setup on a gyro,I think you are at the price of the cortex right?
In retrospect it is easy but I fumbled around a little. It didn't help I mounted my gyro in an area it was hard to see, I had to change that. if it were marked, I would not have to be able to see directly above it, I could look from the side.Thanks for your help, I just need to dial it I guess. I just hope I am not destroying my jet somehow.
BTW, I looked into the 1e for steering, I canto believe it costs half a much, seems like it cost way too much. I am thinking 25% the cost of a full 3 axis gyro would seem appropriate? If you take that 1e into account to get everything setup on a gyro,I think you are at the price of the cortex right?
07-24-2015, 03:58 PM
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I almost returned my iGyro 3e, couldn't get it to respond to the right servos, and than I talked to a friend of mine and we found out that it does not correspond to the picture that is on the instrucutions, I have to rotate that picture 90 degrees and than it is fine, like the unit is cross ways in reference to the instruction sheet.