Need verdict from the Gyro Jury
04-07-2015, 08:54 AM
#26
Its Kingtechs F16 not mine 
I just house it,feed it and take it out for a spin sometimes.
[QUOTE=Countryboy;12018112]
I just house it,feed it and take it out for a spin sometimes. [QUOTE=Countryboy;12018112]
Probably have a better chance of getting in a car accident on the way to the flying field and getting your models destroyed. The benefits far out way the risk. BTW this is coming from someone that owns 1 turbine and flies ALLOT! I also cant afford to replace my one plane and I worry about many other things before worrying about the gyro failing.[/QUOTE.
What happened to the F-16 ?
What happened to the F-16 ?
04-07-2015, 09:24 AM
#27
Unless you're flying a foamie then the Cortex being able to act as a receiver with satellites is pretty much a moot point. I didn't even discuss that because we are in the jet section.
How does power fail within the gyro? The gyro gets power from the receiver on the bus, which even if the gyro happens to croak, will still pass everything through. I suppose there's a 1 in a few thousand chance it can melt down but at that point you probably have other problems.
As for the FJ's crash there were a lot of theories and not enough wreckage left after the fire to fill a dust buster, could have been any number of things.
How does power fail within the gyro? The gyro gets power from the receiver on the bus, which even if the gyro happens to croak, will still pass everything through. I suppose there's a 1 in a few thousand chance it can melt down but at that point you probably have other problems.
As for the FJ's crash there were a lot of theories and not enough wreckage left after the fire to fill a dust buster, could have been any number of things.
04-07-2015, 11:20 AM
#32
My Feedback: (5)
"which even if the gyro happens to croak, will still pass everything through. I suppose there's a 1 in a few thousand chance it can melt down but at that point you probably have other problems."
Ok that's the part you don't understand. I'm 1000% sure that won't happen. If the gyro is defective..there is no way the RX data will pass thru the gyro to the servo unless there is built-in circuit "specially designed" for that purpose. We all know the receiver power the gyro
so I must be talk about a gyro failure.
Ok that's the part you don't understand. I'm 1000% sure that won't happen. If the gyro is defective..there is no way the RX data will pass thru the gyro to the servo unless there is built-in circuit "specially designed" for that purpose. We all know the receiver power the gyro
so I must be talk about a gyro failure.
Last edited by basimpsn; 04-07-2015 at 11:30 AM.
04-07-2015, 11:49 AM
#33
I have flown the 3 of them (igyro, cortex and eagle tree). They all work great doing what they are supposed to do, but I have some pros and cons for each. I dont like HeadingHold (tried in all of them) so my comments are only from a rate POV
here are my observations
Cortex:
Pros: powerful software, with added functionality on the computer. Smart channel assignment
Cons: power carried only through 2 of the 5 leads, surfaces jitter (even with new firmware. Most visible on flying stabs). JR connectors dont fit well, need to sand them to fit the case
Igyro
Pros: Super easy to set up, No servo jitter, power on all servos. great value (220 vs 350$)
Cons: none I can think of (not sure about vtail and taileron flexibility, have not explored this)
Eagle tree:
Pros: Amazing software (incredible functionality), Direct rate mode makes it very unintrusive (stick command indicates angular velocity, not a specific deflection, so it doesn't fight you back --- works like a heli flybarless unit). Very inexpensive (70 bucks or so)
Cons: Only one servo lead providing power, no dual elevators, not intuitive to program. All around cheap unit.
One more thing I want to add: I had one Eagle tree fail on me. Failure resulted in NO POWER OR SIGNAL to the servos. Everything died. Luckily it happened on the ground. After that, I can't trust this unit anymore on an expensive plane (heard the same failure from other people). BUT, it is the only one I would use on cheap stuff given its price.
Hope this helps
Jack G
here are my observations
Cortex:
Pros: powerful software, with added functionality on the computer. Smart channel assignment
Cons: power carried only through 2 of the 5 leads, surfaces jitter (even with new firmware. Most visible on flying stabs). JR connectors dont fit well, need to sand them to fit the case
Igyro
Pros: Super easy to set up, No servo jitter, power on all servos. great value (220 vs 350$)
Cons: none I can think of (not sure about vtail and taileron flexibility, have not explored this)
Eagle tree:
Pros: Amazing software (incredible functionality), Direct rate mode makes it very unintrusive (stick command indicates angular velocity, not a specific deflection, so it doesn't fight you back --- works like a heli flybarless unit). Very inexpensive (70 bucks or so)
Cons: Only one servo lead providing power, no dual elevators, not intuitive to program. All around cheap unit.
One more thing I want to add: I had one Eagle tree fail on me. Failure resulted in NO POWER OR SIGNAL to the servos. Everything died. Luckily it happened on the ground. After that, I can't trust this unit anymore on an expensive plane (heard the same failure from other people). BUT, it is the only one I would use on cheap stuff given its price.
Hope this helps
Jack G
04-07-2015, 01:56 PM
#34
Well said Jack!
One thing I have done on my aircraft is add extra power. I have twin rudders and with all three gyros that means a Y. Anything that gets a Y I run power straight to the servos and bypass the gyro altogether. I only run the signal wire through the gyro. All power goes straight from receiver to servos.
One thing I have done on my aircraft is add extra power. I have twin rudders and with all three gyros that means a Y. Anything that gets a Y I run power straight to the servos and bypass the gyro altogether. I only run the signal wire through the gyro. All power goes straight from receiver to servos.
04-07-2015, 02:34 PM
#35
This discussion seems to turn into a brand war, similar to the question which RX system is the best. I admit I have not used the Cortex before, so I cannot judge it, but what I do not like is the obvious and intentional misinformation in this thread just to make the Cortex seem the better choice.
Both Powerbox gyros can also be programmed without a computer. The smaller and less expensive iGyro 3e comes without the USB programming cable that is required to use all functions, but is still about $100 cheaper even if you include the cable. The bigger iGyro SRS comes with a display and a programming switch, so all functions can be accessed easily without ever using a computer at all.
I understand that some people do not want to use a computer to program their gyro or even adjust the gains at all, but those people should be aware that they will never use the full potential of any gyro without tweaking it! The Cortex comes with a predefined set of gains that will most likely not fit your plane but sure, it flighs right out of the box. Powerbox has learned over the years and has added a "setup" and a "test fly" assistant to the bigger iGyro, but these might still be intriguing to some. But the smaller iGyro 3e is not much different to install and setup compared to the Cortex. It is also an undeniable fact that the software of the iGyro SRS is a lot more powerful and offers way more functions to fine tune the behavior of your gyro.
They all offer 5 outputs and the latest software of the Powerbox iGyro SRS also offers channel mapping.
iGyro SRS does the same and supports the bus protocols of ALL major RX manufacturers. The iGyro SRS also offers a "bus output" signal that can be used together with a Powerbox power distribution system to offer more redundancy and protection.
We are in a jet forum here, so I am pretty sure that anyone will use at least two redundant receivers in their plane anyway. The iGyro SRS can also be used with Spektrum/JR satellite receivers, but will need an additional receiver for all other functions if not used in combination with a Powerbox. The smaller iGyro 3e will either be plugged in between the receiver and the servos or preferrably between a Powerbox, Smartfly, Jeti central box or similar product and the servos.
The iGyro 3e is still about $100 cheaper even if you include the optional programming cable.
Thomas
Cortex can be programmed without a PC
Cortex is soo much easier to setup
Cortex has 5 stabilised outputs that can be used on any channel
Cortex will accept certain 'Bus' input signals
Cortex can be used without a main receiver if using Spektrum/JR satellite receivers
USB cable is included in the box with the Cortex
Thomas
Last edited by bluelevel; 04-07-2015 at 08:09 PM.
04-07-2015, 05:25 PM
#36
I have flown the 3 of them (igyro, cortex and eagle tree). They all work great doing what they are supposed to do, but I have some pros and cons for each. I dont like HeadingHold (tried in all of them) so my comments are only from a rate POV
here are my observations
Cortex:
Pros: powerful software, with added functionality on the computer. Smart channel assignment
Cons: power carried only through 2 of the 5 leads, surfaces jitter (even with new firmware. Most visible on flying stabs). JR connectors dont fit well, need to sand them to fit the case
Igyro
Pros: Super easy to set up, No servo jitter, power on all servos. great value (220 vs 350$)
Cons: none I can think of (not sure about vtail and taileron flexibility, have not explored this)
Eagle tree:
Pros: Amazing software (incredible functionality), Direct rate mode makes it very unintrusive (stick command indicates angular velocity, not a specific deflection, so it doesn't fight you back --- works like a heli flybarless unit). Very inexpensive (70 bucks or so)
Cons: Only one servo lead providing power, no dual elevators, not intuitive to program. All around cheap unit.
One more thing I want to add: I had one Eagle tree fail on me. Failure resulted in NO POWER OR SIGNAL to the servos. Everything died. Luckily it happened on the ground. After that, I can't trust this unit anymore on an expensive plane (heard the same failure from other people). BUT, it is the only one I would use on cheap stuff given its price.
Hope this helps
Jack G
here are my observations
Cortex:
Pros: powerful software, with added functionality on the computer. Smart channel assignment
Cons: power carried only through 2 of the 5 leads, surfaces jitter (even with new firmware. Most visible on flying stabs). JR connectors dont fit well, need to sand them to fit the case
Igyro
Pros: Super easy to set up, No servo jitter, power on all servos. great value (220 vs 350$)
Cons: none I can think of (not sure about vtail and taileron flexibility, have not explored this)
Eagle tree:
Pros: Amazing software (incredible functionality), Direct rate mode makes it very unintrusive (stick command indicates angular velocity, not a specific deflection, so it doesn't fight you back --- works like a heli flybarless unit). Very inexpensive (70 bucks or so)
Cons: Only one servo lead providing power, no dual elevators, not intuitive to program. All around cheap unit.
One more thing I want to add: I had one Eagle tree fail on me. Failure resulted in NO POWER OR SIGNAL to the servos. Everything died. Luckily it happened on the ground. After that, I can't trust this unit anymore on an expensive plane (heard the same failure from other people). BUT, it is the only one I would use on cheap stuff given its price.
Hope this helps
Jack G
Rcpete
Receiver>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gyro>>>>>>>>>>>>Power Box>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Servos
Last edited by rcpete347; 04-07-2015 at 05:29 PM.
04-07-2015, 10:34 PM
#38
This discussion seems to turn into a brand war, similar to the question which RX system is the best. I admit I have not used the Cortex before, so I cannot judge it, but what I do not like is the obvious and intentional misinformation in this thread just to make the Cortex seem the better choice.
Both Powerbox gyros can also be programmed without a computer. The smaller and less expensive iGyro 3e comes without the USB programming cable that is required to use all functions, but is still about $100 cheaper even if you include the cable. The bigger iGyro SRS comes with a display and a programming switch, so all functions can be accessed easily without ever using a computer at all.
I understand that some people do not want to use a computer to program their gyro or even adjust the gains at all, but those people should be aware that they will never use the full potential of any gyro without tweaking it! The Cortex comes with a predefined set of gains that will most likely not fit your plane but sure, it flighs right out of the box. Powerbox has learned over the years and has added a "setup" and a "test fly" assistant to the bigger iGyro, but these might still be intriguing to some. But the smaller iGyro 3e is not much different to install and setup compared to the Cortex. It is also an undeniable fact that the software of the iGyro SRS is a lot more powerful and offers way more functions to fine tune the behavior of your gyro.
They all offer 5 outputs and the latest software of the Powerbox iGyro SRS also offers channel mapping.
iGyro SRS does the same and supports the bus protocols of ALL major RX manufacturers. The iGyro SRS also offers a "bus output" signal that can be used together with a Powerbox power distribution system to offer more redundancy and protection.
We are in a jet forum here, so I am pretty sure that anyone will use at least two redundant receivers in their plane anyway. The iGyro SRS can also be used with Spektrum/JR satellite receivers, but will need an additional receiver for all other functions if not used in combination with a Powerbox. The smaller iGyro 3e will either be plugged in between the receiver and the servos or preferrably between a Powerbox, Smartfly, Jeti central box or similar product and the servos.
The iGyro 3e is still about $100 cheaper even if you include the optional programming cable.
Thomas
Both Powerbox gyros can also be programmed without a computer. The smaller and less expensive iGyro 3e comes without the USB programming cable that is required to use all functions, but is still about $100 cheaper even if you include the cable. The bigger iGyro SRS comes with a display and a programming switch, so all functions can be accessed easily without ever using a computer at all.
I understand that some people do not want to use a computer to program their gyro or even adjust the gains at all, but those people should be aware that they will never use the full potential of any gyro without tweaking it! The Cortex comes with a predefined set of gains that will most likely not fit your plane but sure, it flighs right out of the box. Powerbox has learned over the years and has added a "setup" and a "test fly" assistant to the bigger iGyro, but these might still be intriguing to some. But the smaller iGyro 3e is not much different to install and setup compared to the Cortex. It is also an undeniable fact that the software of the iGyro SRS is a lot more powerful and offers way more functions to fine tune the behavior of your gyro.
They all offer 5 outputs and the latest software of the Powerbox iGyro SRS also offers channel mapping.
iGyro SRS does the same and supports the bus protocols of ALL major RX manufacturers. The iGyro SRS also offers a "bus output" signal that can be used together with a Powerbox power distribution system to offer more redundancy and protection.
We are in a jet forum here, so I am pretty sure that anyone will use at least two redundant receivers in their plane anyway. The iGyro SRS can also be used with Spektrum/JR satellite receivers, but will need an additional receiver for all other functions if not used in combination with a Powerbox. The smaller iGyro 3e will either be plugged in between the receiver and the servos or preferrably between a Powerbox, Smartfly, Jeti central box or similar product and the servos.
The iGyro 3e is still about $100 cheaper even if you include the optional programming cable.
Thomas
You are indeed correct that the iGyro SRS can offer some of the features that the iGyro3e and Cortex can't but that wasn't the question asked.
Last edited by siclick33; 04-07-2015 at 10:41 PM.
04-08-2015, 12:47 AM
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I really wanted to stay out, as most here was really objective and that's the way it should be and should stay.
All I wanted to say is that it is as usual as water going downhill, that a question about "what is the best amongst it's competitors" will always have the outcome to look like a brand war. Natural, as I would call it
Anyway, wanted to add some tech info too:
1) ...regarding the setup Rx-->PowerBox-->Gyro-->Servos: a lot of people do this, and in case you do not trust the cable loom's 2 power wires, then simply split your servo cable into 2 plugs, one using signal and ground, one with power and ground. The signal one goes into the gyro, the power plug into the PowerBox. This way the servos are powered from the main power source of all, and the gyro only needs one power cable to get it's own power to run (only about 25mA needed here). Note: for phobics only, not really needed
Because....
2) ...most BECs use 1-2 power lines themselves and are well suitable to power a couple of high power servos. If these do stand the load, why should the cable loom not? Think about it. Note: only refers to those not using a seperate PowerBox.
3) Regarding the topic "what if the gyro fails": from my experience over the multiple years now, our gyros do not fail by themselves. I know that this always is the first impression, as the gyro is the "control module" if the pilot is inactive. And if something weird happens, it must be the gyro. What I can tell you, and some may not want to hear this, but it is amazingly close to never the gyro. This is a fact I can only point out. If a gyro gets shot, power-wise, it always is an external source that is the issue. Simple physics: if a PCB is designed to handle way more amps than any cable in the model, what would happen if the load gets too high for the gyro? Correct, cables would melt first. Or a shorted servo may overload the gyro. Anyway, there are 1000 examples of how to destroy a gyro, but an industrial standard's following product will not simply burn itself
Hope I could bring some faith in the overall gyro use. It is not that bad as some may want to make it sound. And to all those using them: have fun....cause this is what it's all about, nothing else.
Edit: oh, and another bad thing about gyro systems (pretty much a fact too): if you want to find out which is the best for your own needs and feel, you will have to try them all No other known way of getting a real satisfying answer on the initial question since the invention of these systems, no matter if it's about planes or helis.
All I wanted to say is that it is as usual as water going downhill, that a question about "what is the best amongst it's competitors" will always have the outcome to look like a brand war. Natural, as I would call it
Anyway, wanted to add some tech info too:
1) ...regarding the setup Rx-->PowerBox-->Gyro-->Servos: a lot of people do this, and in case you do not trust the cable loom's 2 power wires, then simply split your servo cable into 2 plugs, one using signal and ground, one with power and ground. The signal one goes into the gyro, the power plug into the PowerBox. This way the servos are powered from the main power source of all, and the gyro only needs one power cable to get it's own power to run (only about 25mA needed here). Note: for phobics only, not really needed
Because....2) ...most BECs use 1-2 power lines themselves and are well suitable to power a couple of high power servos. If these do stand the load, why should the cable loom not? Think about it. Note: only refers to those not using a seperate PowerBox.
3) Regarding the topic "what if the gyro fails": from my experience over the multiple years now, our gyros do not fail by themselves. I know that this always is the first impression, as the gyro is the "control module" if the pilot is inactive. And if something weird happens, it must be the gyro. What I can tell you, and some may not want to hear this, but it is amazingly close to never the gyro. This is a fact I can only point out. If a gyro gets shot, power-wise, it always is an external source that is the issue. Simple physics: if a PCB is designed to handle way more amps than any cable in the model, what would happen if the load gets too high for the gyro? Correct, cables would melt first. Or a shorted servo may overload the gyro. Anyway, there are 1000 examples of how to destroy a gyro, but an industrial standard's following product will not simply burn itself
Hope I could bring some faith in the overall gyro use. It is not that bad as some may want to make it sound. And to all those using them: have fun....cause this is what it's all about, nothing else.
Edit: oh, and another bad thing about gyro systems (pretty much a fact too): if you want to find out which is the best for your own needs and feel, you will have to try them all
No other known way of getting a real satisfying answer on the initial question since the invention of these systems, no matter if it's about planes or helis.
Last edited by DEMONjoe; 04-08-2015 at 01:39 AM.
04-08-2015, 04:11 AM
#40
Well said Jack!
One thing I have done on my aircraft is add extra power. I have twin rudders and with all three gyros that means a Y. Anything that gets a Y I run power straight to the servos and bypass the gyro altogether. I only run the signal wire through the gyro. All power goes straight from receiver to servos.
One thing I have done on my aircraft is add extra power. I have twin rudders and with all three gyros that means a Y. Anything that gets a Y I run power straight to the servos and bypass the gyro altogether. I only run the signal wire through the gyro. All power goes straight from receiver to servos.
Vin...
04-08-2015, 05:44 AM
#43
I really wanted to stay out, as most here was really objective and that's the way it should be and should stay.
All I wanted to say is that it is as usual as water going downhill, that a question about "what is the best amongst it's competitors" will always have the outcome to look like a brand war. Natural, as I would call it
Anyway, wanted to add some tech info too:
1) ...regarding the setup Rx-->PowerBox-->Gyro-->Servos: a lot of people do this, and in case you do not trust the cable loom's 2 power wires, then simply split your servo cable into 2 plugs, one using signal and ground, one with power and ground. The signal one goes into the gyro, the power plug into the PowerBox. This way the servos are powered from the main power source of all, and the gyro only needs one power cable to get it's own power to run (only about 25mA needed here). Note: for phobics only, not really needed Because....
2) ...most BECs use 1-2 power lines themselves and are well suitable to power a couple of high power servos. If these do stand the load, why should the cable loom not? Think about it. Note: only refers to those not using a seperate PowerBox.
3) Regarding the topic "what if the gyro fails": from my experience over the multiple years now, our gyros do not fail by themselves. I know that this always is the first impression, as the gyro is the "control module" if the pilot is inactive. And if something weird happens, it must be the gyro. What I can tell you, and some may not want to hear this, but it is amazingly close to never the gyro. This is a fact I can only point out. If a gyro gets shot, power-wise, it always is an external source that is the issue. Simple physics: if a PCB is designed to handle way more amps than any cable in the model, what would happen if the load gets too high for the gyro? Correct, cables would melt first. Or a shorted servo may overload the gyro. Anyway, there are 1000 examples of how to destroy a gyro, but an industrial standard's following product will not simply burn itself
Hope I could bring some faith in the overall gyro use. It is not that bad as some may want to make it sound. And to all those using them: have fun....cause this is what it's all about, nothing else.
Edit: oh, and another bad thing about gyro systems (pretty much a fact too): if you want to find out which is the best for your own needs and feel, you will have to try them all No other known way of getting a real satisfying answer on the initial question since the invention of these systems, no matter if it's about planes or helis.
All I wanted to say is that it is as usual as water going downhill, that a question about "what is the best amongst it's competitors" will always have the outcome to look like a brand war. Natural, as I would call it
Anyway, wanted to add some tech info too:
1) ...regarding the setup Rx-->PowerBox-->Gyro-->Servos: a lot of people do this, and in case you do not trust the cable loom's 2 power wires, then simply split your servo cable into 2 plugs, one using signal and ground, one with power and ground. The signal one goes into the gyro, the power plug into the PowerBox. This way the servos are powered from the main power source of all, and the gyro only needs one power cable to get it's own power to run (only about 25mA needed here). Note: for phobics only, not really needed
Because....2) ...most BECs use 1-2 power lines themselves and are well suitable to power a couple of high power servos. If these do stand the load, why should the cable loom not? Think about it. Note: only refers to those not using a seperate PowerBox.
3) Regarding the topic "what if the gyro fails": from my experience over the multiple years now, our gyros do not fail by themselves. I know that this always is the first impression, as the gyro is the "control module" if the pilot is inactive. And if something weird happens, it must be the gyro. What I can tell you, and some may not want to hear this, but it is amazingly close to never the gyro. This is a fact I can only point out. If a gyro gets shot, power-wise, it always is an external source that is the issue. Simple physics: if a PCB is designed to handle way more amps than any cable in the model, what would happen if the load gets too high for the gyro? Correct, cables would melt first. Or a shorted servo may overload the gyro. Anyway, there are 1000 examples of how to destroy a gyro, but an industrial standard's following product will not simply burn itself
Hope I could bring some faith in the overall gyro use. It is not that bad as some may want to make it sound. And to all those using them: have fun....cause this is what it's all about, nothing else.
Edit: oh, and another bad thing about gyro systems (pretty much a fact too): if you want to find out which is the best for your own needs and feel, you will have to try them all
No other known way of getting a real satisfying answer on the initial question since the invention of these systems, no matter if it's about planes or helis.Reciever =========Gyro========Power Box========receiver,
If the gyro is installed after the P box, the PB's screen will fade and the volt reading will go way down (7.4 volts)
Rcpete
04-08-2015, 06:05 AM
#45
My Feedback: (5)
"Note: for phobics only, not really needed Because...."
Thanks for addressing my "phobics"
please note: this response is just for(Demojoe) "brain storming and nothing to do with how bad gyros are ...My first bad experience with gyro was on a F-16 jet. back then the only place to put a gyro was on the Aileron..I had many flights no problem until one evening one of my Aileron went full deflection in flight..I manage to land it in the grass with very little damage..ok electronic stuff goes bad sometime. The next time was my Trex 600 FBL helicopter..I ask a professional 3D guy to setup my 3 axis heli and do the test flight, he did some piro fips and tic tock. put it in a hover holds the tx in the palm of his hand and say see hands off..next thing we where diving to the ground as the uncontrolled heli pass over our heads..what!! da!!.after the inspection we found out the only control was the throttle and that's because it's connected directly to the RX....Come to find out I wasn't the only one with this problem(3gx gyro)..soon there was a software upgrade to fix this problem. I guess what I'm trying to say is if the signal wire from the rx not passing through the gyro or the output from the gyro not matching the tx signal to the servo..then no PowerBox,Battery to each servo with 10 gauge wire for power bust can save you...you are going down lol.
The only problem I have with information about gyros many thinks if there is a problem he or she can override the gyro by turning off the gain from the TX..no true..that's all I'm saying. I love technology and gyro like ever things else is one of them.
Because...."Thanks for addressing my "phobics"
please note: this response is just for(Demojoe) "brain storming and nothing to do with how bad gyros are ...My first bad experience with gyro was on a F-16 jet. back then the only place to put a gyro was on the Aileron..I had many flights no problem until one evening one of my Aileron went full deflection in flight..I manage to land it in the grass with very little damage..ok electronic stuff goes bad sometime. The next time was my Trex 600 FBL helicopter..I ask a professional 3D guy to setup my 3 axis heli and do the test flight, he did some piro fips and tic tock. put it in a hover holds the tx in the palm of his hand and say see hands off..next thing we where diving to the ground as the uncontrolled heli pass over our heads..what!! da!!.after the inspection we found out the only control was the throttle and that's because it's connected directly to the RX....Come to find out I wasn't the only one with this problem(3gx gyro)..soon there was a software upgrade to fix this problem. I guess what I'm trying to say is if the signal wire from the rx not passing through the gyro or the output from the gyro not matching the tx signal to the servo..then no PowerBox,Battery to each servo with 10 gauge wire for power bust can save you...you are going down lol.The only problem I have with information about gyros many thinks if there is a problem he or she can override the gyro by turning off the gain from the TX..no true..that's all I'm saying. I love technology and gyro like ever things else is one of them.
Last edited by basimpsn; 04-09-2015 at 10:44 AM.
04-08-2015, 06:18 AM
#46
On my guardian setup I'm not running the elev thru the gyro. It is just my preference I like to control that 100%. I just run ail and rudder. I have the ailerons on matchbox and feed the matchbox with an aux batt feed. Worst case scenario for me if the gyro failed I would lose the rudder only. I guess the match box could fail as well lol!!
Vin...
Vin...
I discounted it as a freak failure, but after some research, found several users of these units experience similar conditions, so I won't use one in my jets again.
It is a shame, cause I feel they have by far, the most advanced software. I guess they are trying to cater a different segment of the hobby, where a 200+ unit will not sell
04-08-2015, 06:21 AM
#48
"Note: for phobics only, not really needed Because...."
Thanks for addressing my "phobics" please note: this response is just for(Demojoe) "brain storming and nothing to do with how bad gyros are ...My first bad experience with gyro was on a F-16 jet. back then the only place to put a gyro was on the Aileron..I had many flights no problem until one evening one of my Aileron went full deflection in flight..I manage to land it in the grass with very little damage..ok electronic stuff goes bad sometime. The next time was my Trex 600 FBL helicopter..I ask a professional 3D guy to setup my 3 axis heli and do the test flight, he did some piro fips and tic tock. put it in a hover holds the tx in the palm of his hand and say see hands off..next thing we where diving to the ground as the uncontrolled heli pass over our heads..what!! da!!.after the inspection we found out the only control was the throttle and that's because it's connected directly to the RX....Come to find out I wasn't the only one with this problem(3gx gyro)..soon there was a software upgrade to fix this problem. I guess what I'm trying to say is if the signal wire from the rx not passing through the gyro or the output from the gyro not matching the rx signal to the servo..then no PowerBox,Battery to each servo with 10 gauge wire for power bust can save you...you are going down lol.
The only problem I have with information about gyros many thinks if there is a problem he or she can override the gyro by turning off the gain from the TX..no true..that's all I'm saying. I love technology and gyro like ever things else is one of them.
Because...."Thanks for addressing my "phobics"
please note: this response is just for(Demojoe) "brain storming and nothing to do with how bad gyros are ...My first bad experience with gyro was on a F-16 jet. back then the only place to put a gyro was on the Aileron..I had many flights no problem until one evening one of my Aileron went full deflection in flight..I manage to land it in the grass with very little damage..ok electronic stuff goes bad sometime. The next time was my Trex 600 FBL helicopter..I ask a professional 3D guy to setup my 3 axis heli and do the test flight, he did some piro fips and tic tock. put it in a hover holds the tx in the palm of his hand and say see hands off..next thing we where diving to the ground as the uncontrolled heli pass over our heads..what!! da!!.after the inspection we found out the only control was the throttle and that's because it's connected directly to the RX....Come to find out I wasn't the only one with this problem(3gx gyro)..soon there was a software upgrade to fix this problem. I guess what I'm trying to say is if the signal wire from the rx not passing through the gyro or the output from the gyro not matching the rx signal to the servo..then no PowerBox,Battery to each servo with 10 gauge wire for power bust can save you...you are going down lol.The only problem I have with information about gyros many thinks if there is a problem he or she can override the gyro by turning off the gain from the TX..no true..that's all I'm saying. I love technology and gyro like ever things else is one of them.
04-08-2015, 06:32 AM
#50
Just because it isn't the only device that can be programmed without a computer doesn't make the information any less true. You also didn't adress the Cortex units ability to stabilize pretty much any control surface (any kind of airplane) as it learns the control surface behavior during setup rather than needing to pre-selected mode. So can the iGyro and the Eagletree be configured to support Tailerons, Flaperons, etc, without the use of a PC or even with the use of a PC? And that really is a question, not an attempt to say they can't as I've never used either and honestly don't know the answer..
