Fej f-35
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Congrats on your maiden flight.. and this plane seems hard to rotate, have you considered takeoff with full flaps like a F-18?
p.s. also the big F-35 seems to takeoff with them..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQCg2IZcKPg
p.s. also the big F-35 seems to takeoff with them..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQCg2IZcKPg
I also think it is nose heavy. As soon as I fly it with the gear up I will start adjusting CG.
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Hi there, for the second flight I used partial flaps and it was so much better, it still jumped up a little but not nearly as much as the first flight. Im sure full flaps will make it even better. Yes the real one takes off full flaps. Just like the F-18, the F-35 has an Aft Center of Lift, which makes it a necessity to have a lot of speed prior to rotation.
I also think it is nose heavy. As soon as I fly it with the gear up I will start adjusting CG.
I also think it is nose heavy. As soon as I fly it with the gear up I will start adjusting CG.
And at least with the 18, the more flaps is used, the shorter and and smoother is the rotation. I suppose I will work in the 35 too.
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Yes, lets hear from him... I bet it will help as he already noticed a improvement with a slight amount of flaps on takeoff.
And this takeoff with the F-22 is awesome.. seems that the plane judges by itself when and how to use flaps and even down aleirons a la F-18?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16ti9GwnlVs
And this takeoff with the F-22 is awesome.. seems that the plane judges by itself when and how to use flaps and even down aleirons a la F-18?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16ti9GwnlVs
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Flew again yesterday, this time with the gear up. It really got with the program once the gear was up. I felt confident enough to turn and burn some, and it responded well. It flew like an F-16 really, excpet for being touchy on the ailerons. Wings look tiny in the air, but it has a lot of prescence. At max aileron throw it rolls like an Extra 300 on steroids, even got a couple of extra rolls for free. Bottom line is I need to set ATV on ailerons, without affecting flap travel. Have never done that before.
Not sure if its due to having twin rudders, but rudders behave like a hiigh wing trainer on 3 channels, they are super effective for rolling.....but not for yawing. So the few knife edge passes I attemtped, I was not able to keep them for long becuase as soon as I kicked in rudder it would roll out. Have to play with the rudder travel to see if it improves.
Lastly, had a flame out at minute 5 (I forgot to charge the ECU battery!!). Luckily I was on a high speed downwind pass and had enough inertia to climb,turn around, and cycle the gear to a perfect but flat landing. No bad tendencies during flamout but it does bleed speed very fast and wants ground even faster (like an F-104??).
I'm shopping for a good gyro for aileron and steering. Ailerons will benefit a lot during gear cycle, and steering because rollout speed for takeff is high, and any variation on steering you will eat grass when flying on a normal runway. Should help during braking as well.
Not sure if its due to having twin rudders, but rudders behave like a hiigh wing trainer on 3 channels, they are super effective for rolling.....but not for yawing. So the few knife edge passes I attemtped, I was not able to keep them for long becuase as soon as I kicked in rudder it would roll out. Have to play with the rudder travel to see if it improves.
Lastly, had a flame out at minute 5 (I forgot to charge the ECU battery!!). Luckily I was on a high speed downwind pass and had enough inertia to climb,turn around, and cycle the gear to a perfect but flat landing. No bad tendencies during flamout but it does bleed speed very fast and wants ground even faster (like an F-104??).
I'm shopping for a good gyro for aileron and steering. Ailerons will benefit a lot during gear cycle, and steering because rollout speed for takeff is high, and any variation on steering you will eat grass when flying on a normal runway. Should help during braking as well.
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Yes David its the twin rudders that make the rudder behave the way it does. It took me no less then around 30 flights of programming rudder to aileron mix and rudder the elevator mix to get rid of the roll coupling with rudder input. Also I would limit the throw on the rudder also.
For gyro hands down get the cortex and you will never look back.
For gyro hands down get the cortex and you will never look back.
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Hi David. Been watching your build and progress report for a while now with great interest. I have the same Fly Eagle all glass F-35. It is used and has 2-3 flights on it, but it has been sitting in my shop for at least 3 years now. Pretty much RTF less turbine, receiver and batteries. I installed a Rhino in it but pulled it out when all the Fly Eagle stuff hit the fan.
So, after your success I am planning on getting back on the project this winter. My current thinking is to still go with the Rhino for power. Then set up the plane with tailaron's through a igyro 3E using the ailerons for flaps only. I am in the process of getting x rays of the elevators to make sure they are sound and also will be going over all bulkheads with special attention to the elevator mounts, bearings and linkage.
With your experience so far, does this sound feasible?
Thanks,
Ken
So, after your success I am planning on getting back on the project this winter. My current thinking is to still go with the Rhino for power. Then set up the plane with tailaron's through a igyro 3E using the ailerons for flaps only. I am in the process of getting x rays of the elevators to make sure they are sound and also will be going over all bulkheads with special attention to the elevator mounts, bearings and linkage.
With your experience so far, does this sound feasible?
Thanks,
Ken
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Ken for a pane like this I would say the cortex would be a better fit. Then you could use tailerons and ailerons together if you needed ailerons. The 3E works great but the cortex would be a better fit IMO.
Hi David. Been watching your build and progress report for a while now with great interest. I have the same Fly Eagle all glass F-35. It is used and has 2-3 flights on it, but it has been sitting in my shop for at least 3 years now. Pretty much RTF less turbine, receiver and batteries. I installed a Rhino in it but pulled it out when all the Fly Eagle stuff hit the fan.
So, after your success I am planning on getting back on the project this winter. My current thinking is to still go with the Rhino for power. Then set up the plane with tailaron's through a igyro 3E using the ailerons for flaps only. I am in the process of getting x rays of the elevators to make sure they are sound and also will be going over all bulkheads with special attention to the elevator mounts, bearings and linkage.
With your experience so far, does this sound feasible?
Thanks,
Ken
So, after your success I am planning on getting back on the project this winter. My current thinking is to still go with the Rhino for power. Then set up the plane with tailaron's through a igyro 3E using the ailerons for flaps only. I am in the process of getting x rays of the elevators to make sure they are sound and also will be going over all bulkheads with special attention to the elevator mounts, bearings and linkage.
With your experience so far, does this sound feasible?
Thanks,
Ken
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El del maiden es el unico Doc.....the other times I was by myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-wQgBpvoLU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-wQgBpvoLU
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Thanks for the reply. I have planes on both the Cortex and 3E and like both. Haven't really decided which I like the best. I am still leaning towards just using the ailerons as flaps to keep things simple. Will look forward to the report back from David after he gets some flights on his F35 with the Cortex installed.