And it begins! Registration?
12-14-2015, 06:40 PM
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But, I doubt the FAA is planning on sending inspectors out to hunt down RC flyers. Most likely what this new ruling WILL do is give the FAA firm footing to prosecute a 'scofflaw' if the flying of their unregistered "drone" gathers the attention of the FAA.
12-14-2015, 07:21 PM
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Agree with all the posts...this is a useless rule and only opens the door to further regulation and/or tax'ing of our hobby.
I can only assume if you don't register then you're not in AMA compliance and so can't fly the airplane at an AMA field/sanctioned event??
JS
I can only assume if you don't register then you're not in AMA compliance and so can't fly the airplane at an AMA field/sanctioned event??
JS
Well said. These rulings historically have not and will not provide and or alter the course of how we as a society conduct ourselves. Stupid can not be fixed, ever ! Criminals are not licensed, educated law abiding people, hence the title. Again, these rules can be added to the thousands of other useless government decided crap that they think quells those who will listen, nonsense. Someone please enlighten the community here as to how this will ever be effective as a safety net ? I just don't see it, nor will I ever register a model aircraft and send them a single red cent of mine.
12-14-2015, 07:32 PM
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I have read the first 25 pages of the document. I get why they are doing this but the manner makes no sense at all. Asking people to voluntarily register their planes will only get law abiding people to do so. The rest of them will continue doing what they are doing. Within the first 25 pages you can easily see that this is all related to drones (as we all know) and has nothing to do with model aircraft that fly within line of sight. One of the examples cited included a drone interfering with fire fighting activities in controlled air space that forced all full scale fire fighting planes to land costing the companies thousands of dollars and delaying fire fighting activities. You can see why the FAA is implementing these rules but it will not resolve anything in my opinion.
It is like making people register to buy guns and in most cases criminal don't register their guns. If they truly want to track the drones it has to be done at the point of purchase. Just my opinion though.
It is like making people register to buy guns and in most cases criminal don't register their guns. If they truly want to track the drones it has to be done at the point of purchase. Just my opinion though.
The regestration is not voluntary. On pages 138 and 139 it states that a civil fine of $27,500 will be imposed for those who do not register, also criminal fine of $250,000 could come into play.
The wording is confusing (image that), but apparently in the "interest of public safety" many forms of enforcement i.e. DOT, FAA, local police, etc can enforce the law.
Registration is required as of Feb. 19, 2016.
Man, this bites!
12-14-2015, 07:42 PM
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Jamie, I don't think the AMA has any say so on this. The FAA pretty much left them in the dust on this one. It also says in the document that AMA numbers are of no significance to the FAA. A unique FAA regristration number will be required since they (FAA) have no involvement in th AMA database and cannot validate any information.
12-14-2015, 07:55 PM
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Hell, Best Buy is selling quads with the Yuneec 500, $1100.00, Target and others as well. Wally World has cheapie Quads $79.00 or so...hey they are here and we might as well get used to it. I personally have a DJI Phantom, and several smaller ones still in their boxes that I fly at my local park...
12-14-2015, 08:03 PM
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I just tried to read through the over 55 lb requirements. I now have a splitting head ache. N numbers, non photo copied faa forms, notorized paper work, ?manufacturers serial numbers??, blah blah blah. My treasured Mibo just became a wall decoration. What a joke.
12-14-2015, 08:22 PM
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Jamie, I don't think the AMA has any say so on this. The FAA pretty much left them in the dust on this one. It also says in the document that AMA numbers are of no significance to the FAA. A unique FAA regristration number will be required since they (FAA) have no involvement in th AMA database and cannot validate any information.
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12-14-2015, 08:36 PM
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- A completed Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1,
- An original Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1 must be used. Photocopies or computer generated copies of this form will not be accepted. These forms may be obtained from the FAA Aircraft Registration Branch or any Flight Standards District Office.
- When a Limited Liability Corporation (LLC) is an applicant to register a UA it also must provide information regarding its organization, how management authority is held, and how it meets the definition of U.S. citizen for aircraft registration. The Limited Liability Corporation Registration Information Sheet (PDF) provides instructions on meeting this requirement.
- Form AFS-750-94, Information to Aid in the Registration of U.S. Civil Aircraft (PDF), provides helpful information about registration eligibility, types of registration, the proper form of: names, signatures, titles, addresses plus other related issues.
- A full description of the UA provided by the manufacturer or builder in a Notarized statement is required when the UA model is not produced under a U.S. Type Certificate.[h=4]UA Required Description Items[/h]
- Full Legal Name of UA Manufacturer or Builder
- UA Model Designation
- UA Serial Number
- Class (Airplane, Airship, Rotorcraft, Gyroplane, Ducted Fan)
- UA Maximum Takeoff Weight
- Category (Land, Sea, or Both)
- Name of Engine Manufacturer
- Engine Model Designation
- Engine Serial-Numbers (If none shown, enter 'none')
- Number of Engines
- Engine Power Output (Given in HP or Lbs. Thrust)
- Engine Type (2 or 4 Cycle Reciprocating, Electric,
Turbo - Fan/Prop/Shaft/Jet)
- Evidence of Ownership: An Aircraft Bill of Sale, AC Form 8050-2 (PDF), or an equal transfer of ownership document is required for each change in ownership from the UA manufacturer or builder through any intervening owner(s) to the owner making application for registration.
When a bill of sale or other transfer document is unobtainable for one or more changes of ownership, the applicant may provide for consideration a notarized statement that:- describes the subject UA by the builders name, its model designation, and serial number;
- gives the history and whereabouts of the UA telling how the applicant became its owner and explains why the missing transfer of ownership document is unavailable.
- identifies undocumented transfers to the extent possible by the date they occurred, the purchaser's name, the name and location (city, state & country) of the person, company, or vendor that sold the UA.
- describes the other evidence provided with the notarized statement like an invoice, sales receipt or witness statement that proves the transfer of ownership took place. This alternative evidence is especially important when documenting the transfer of ownership to the applicant.
- certifies, to the best of the applicants knowledge, that the information provided is correct, that the described UA is not currently registered in another country, and that the undersigned is the aircraft's rightful owner.
NOTE: Items 2 and 3 may be combined into one notarized affidavit. - Confirmation the UA is not registered in another country. When a UA is purchased directly from a manufacturer or seller located in another country it is considered an import. This requires a statement from the Civil Aviation Authority of the exporting country confirming that registration for this UA has ended or that the UA was never issued registration in that country.
- An N-number to be assigned to the registered aircraft. If a special N-number was reserved in advance by the UA owner for this registration, this number will be assigned if it is entered on the forms in the indicated blanks.
- A special N-number may be requested when filing the application and other documents for registration. Include a letter that lists several N-number choices. The first listed number verified as available will be assigned to the aircraft. The special number fee is $10.00, payable by check or money order payable to the Federal Aviation Administration.
- A random N-number will be assigned at no cost if the indicated blanks on the registration forms are left empty, or a random number is requested.
- The registration fee of $5.00 per UA. Please pay all fees by check or money order made payable to the Federal Aviation Administration. Multiple fees may be consolidated into a single payment. Registration and N-number fees are waived when the applicant is a Federal, State or local government office, agency or institution.
Once the sUA is registered, apply for the appropriate operational authority.
The following links will direct you to useful information and directions.
Operating for Non-Recreational Purposes
Aircraft Owned by Government Agencies or Offices
12-14-2015, 10:10 PM
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I have read the first 25 pages of the document. I get why they are doing this but the manner makes no sense at all. Asking people to voluntarily register their planes will only get law abiding people to do so. The rest of them will continue doing what they are doing. Within the first 25 pages you can easily see that this is all related to drones (as we all know) and has nothing to do with model aircraft that fly within line of sight. One of the examples cited included a drone interfering with fire fighting activities in controlled air space that forced all full scale fire fighting planes to land costing the companies thousands of dollars and delaying fire fighting activities. You can see why the FAA is implementing these rules but it will not resolve anything in my opinion.
It is like making people register to buy guns and in most cases criminal don't register their guns. If they truly want to track the drones it has to be done at the point of purchase. Just my opinion though.
It is like making people register to buy guns and in most cases criminal don't register their guns. If they truly want to track the drones it has to be done at the point of purchase. Just my opinion though.
12-14-2015, 10:26 PM
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One of the guys, from our AMA club, sent out an official looking "penalty" list. If I remember correctly, the penalty for getting caught with no registration is a fine up to $250,000 and up to 3 years in jail!
12-14-2015, 10:32 PM
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I have always thought the special rule for model aircraft that the AMA pushed through congress in 2012 did not sit well with the FAA and was also a attempt by the AMA increase membership, I think what we are seeing now
is the fruit of that special rule and I doubt FAA law making will stop where it is today.
is the fruit of that special rule and I doubt FAA law making will stop where it is today.
12-15-2015, 04:57 AM
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I believe that a fraction of the AMA membership agrees that this is totally ridiculous bureaucratic nonsense! So no need to debate that issue.
What about the point that you need to register online and provide a credit card payment of $5.00 which they will refund?
What is the point of gathering your credit card information if in the end the payment is going to be refunded?
I think you need to ask yourself; “what else are they using that information for”?
So now we have yet another governmental data base with your personal information and your credit card information that needs to be protected from hackers or other agencies!
As it has been already stated, law abiding citizens will obey the law, criminals will not!
What is going to prevent a criminal from applying YOUR registration number to their DRONE!
They can go out and do whatever they want with the DRONE and if something happens, they exit the area and leave behind a DRONE with your number on it!
No difference from the current gun registration laws, and we call see how well that works!
What about the point that you need to register online and provide a credit card payment of $5.00 which they will refund?
What is the point of gathering your credit card information if in the end the payment is going to be refunded?
I think you need to ask yourself; “what else are they using that information for”?
So now we have yet another governmental data base with your personal information and your credit card information that needs to be protected from hackers or other agencies!
As it has been already stated, law abiding citizens will obey the law, criminals will not!
What is going to prevent a criminal from applying YOUR registration number to their DRONE!
They can go out and do whatever they want with the DRONE and if something happens, they exit the area and leave behind a DRONE with your number on it!
No difference from the current gun registration laws, and we call see how well that works!
12-15-2015, 05:06 AM
#42
I think you missed something on the top of the page for UAS above 55 lbs, no N # is needed if operated for hobby or recreational use: http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certific...t_registry/UA/
Aircraft Registry
Aircraft Registration: Unmanned Aircraft (UA)
Registration is required for all unmanned aircraft (UA) operated for non-hobby or non-recreational purposes.
Aircraft Registry
Aircraft Registration: Unmanned Aircraft (UA)
Registration is required for all unmanned aircraft (UA) operated for non-hobby or non-recreational purposes.
To Register a New - Unmanned Aircraft (UA):
A new unmanned aircraft is an UA that has not been registered anywhere and its takeoff weight is over 55 lbs.To register the owner must provide the following:
Once the sUA is registered, apply for the appropriate operational authority.
The following links will direct you to useful information and directions.
Operating for Non-Recreational Purposes
Aircraft Owned by Government Agencies or Offices
A new unmanned aircraft is an UA that has not been registered anywhere and its takeoff weight is over 55 lbs.To register the owner must provide the following:
- A completed Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1,
- An original Aircraft Registration Application, AC Form 8050-1 must be used. Photocopies or computer generated copies of this form will not be accepted. These forms may be obtained from the FAA Aircraft Registration Branch or any Flight Standards District Office.
- When a Limited Liability Corporation (LLC) is an applicant to register a UA it also must provide information regarding its organization, how management authority is held, and how it meets the definition of U.S. citizen for aircraft registration. The Limited Liability Corporation Registration Information Sheet (PDF) provides instructions on meeting this requirement.
- Form AFS-750-94, Information to Aid in the Registration of U.S. Civil Aircraft (PDF), provides helpful information about registration eligibility, types of registration, the proper form of: names, signatures, titles, addresses plus other related issues.
- A full description of the UA provided by the manufacturer or builder in a Notarized statement is required when the UA model is not produced under a U.S. Type Certificate.UA Required Description Items
- Full Legal Name of UA Manufacturer or Builder
- UA Model Designation
- UA Serial Number
- Class (Airplane, Airship, Rotorcraft, Gyroplane, Ducted Fan)
- UA Maximum Takeoff Weight
- Category (Land, Sea, or Both)
- Name of Engine Manufacturer
- Engine Model Designation
- Engine Serial-Numbers (If none shown, enter 'none')
- Number of Engines
- Engine Power Output (Given in HP or Lbs. Thrust)
- Engine Type (2 or 4 Cycle Reciprocating, Electric,
Turbo - Fan/Prop/Shaft/Jet)
- Evidence of Ownership: An Aircraft Bill of Sale, AC Form 8050-2 (PDF), or an equal transfer of ownership document is required for each change in ownership from the UA manufacturer or builder through any intervening owner(s) to the owner making application for registration.
When a bill of sale or other transfer document is unobtainable for one or more changes of ownership, the applicant may provide for consideration a notarized statement that:- describes the subject UA by the builders name, its model designation, and serial number;
- gives the history and whereabouts of the UA telling how the applicant became its owner and explains why the missing transfer of ownership document is unavailable.
- identifies undocumented transfers to the extent possible by the date they occurred, the purchaser's name, the name and location (city, state & country) of the person, company, or vendor that sold the UA.
- describes the other evidence provided with the notarized statement like an invoice, sales receipt or witness statement that proves the transfer of ownership took place. This alternative evidence is especially important when documenting the transfer of ownership to the applicant.
- certifies, to the best of the applicants knowledge, that the information provided is correct, that the described UA is not currently registered in another country, and that the undersigned is the aircraft's rightful owner.
NOTE: Items 2 and 3 may be combined into one notarized affidavit. - Confirmation the UA is not registered in another country. When a UA is purchased directly from a manufacturer or seller located in another country it is considered an import. This requires a statement from the Civil Aviation Authority of the exporting country confirming that registration for this UA has ended or that the UA was never issued registration in that country.
- An N-number to be assigned to the registered aircraft. If a special N-number was reserved in advance by the UA owner for this registration, this number will be assigned if it is entered on the forms in the indicated blanks.
- A special N-number may be requested when filing the application and other documents for registration. Include a letter that lists several N-number choices. The first listed number verified as available will be assigned to the aircraft. The special number fee is $10.00, payable by check or money order payable to the Federal Aviation Administration.
- A random N-number will be assigned at no cost if the indicated blanks on the registration forms are left empty, or a random number is requested.
- The registration fee of $5.00 per UA. Please pay all fees by check or money order made payable to the Federal Aviation Administration. Multiple fees may be consolidated into a single payment. Registration and N-number fees are waived when the applicant is a Federal, State or local government office, agency or institution.
Once the sUA is registered, apply for the appropriate operational authority.
The following links will direct you to useful information and directions.
Operating for Non-Recreational Purposes
Aircraft Owned by Government Agencies or Offices
12-15-2015, 05:10 AM
#43
I think you missed something on the top of the page for UAS above 55 lbs, no N # is needed if operated for hobby or recreational use: http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certific...t_registry/UA/
Aircraft Registry
Aircraft Registration: Unmanned Aircraft (UA)
Registration is not required for model aircraft operated solely for hobby or recreational purposes. Guidelines for responsible hobby and recreational operations are available at http://www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft/.
Registration is required for all unmanned aircraft (UA) operated for non-hobby or non-recreational purposes.
Aircraft Registry
Aircraft Registration: Unmanned Aircraft (UA)
Registration is not required for model aircraft operated solely for hobby or recreational purposes. Guidelines for responsible hobby and recreational operations are available at http://www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft/.
Registration is required for all unmanned aircraft (UA) operated for non-hobby or non-recreational purposes.
I think that is "old" information and no longer the case.
The end of the page has this..."
Page last modified: August 21, 2015 9:45:12 AM EDT"
12-15-2015, 05:29 AM
#44
Well, it says NEW item and it's on the FAA web site, so how do you determine if something is old information and should be disregarded?
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certific...raft_registry/
Aircraft Registry
We are processing documents received on approximately
November 20, 2015.
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certific...raft_registry/
Aircraft Registry
We are processing documents received on approximately
November 20, 2015.
12-15-2015, 06:16 AM
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Many of you are crazy.... This has absolutely nothing to do with public safety, nothing.
It has everything to do with revenue collection and power over the populace.
This ends my seminar on life dependent on an out of control government. I now return you to your regular programming.
It has everything to do with revenue collection and power over the populace.
This ends my seminar on life dependent on an out of control government. I now return you to your regular programming.
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