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Old 01-19-2016, 02:34 PM
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Default Its Official: AMA says we are now required to register.

Read 'em and weep:

http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/ama...ked-questions/

Yup, your club will MAKE you do it. And jet rallies too.

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My number: FA3RHFPCFP

It will be tattooed to my forearm this week when I check in to my new "re-education" detention center.

And it expires in 2019. I bet that means I'll have to pay even more then.
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The Cavalry is Not Coming.

If you feel strongly about protecting your freedoms, Here's the Fund.
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Originally Posted by ravill
Read 'em and weep:

http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/ama...ked-questions/

Yup, your club will MAKE you do it. And jet rallies too.
#murica
OK, OK, let's not go off the deep end on this just yet! The AMA is working with the FAA to try and make the registration process transparent for AMA members in the future - they just could not get it done before the Feb 19th deadline. Let's wait and see what the outcome of all of this will be before we throw in the towel.

Also, the AMA has said that registration is between the individual and the FAA - its is a *club* decision of whether or not to enforce registration as a club rule. Of course if they can work on the registration issue with the FAA, then ultimately the point will be moot. Hopefully, must clubs will not jump on the bandwagon to become the registration police - mine has not...

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Originally Posted by BrightGarden
The Cavalry is Not Coming.

If you feel strongly about protecting your freedoms, Here's the Fund.
That's funny! The website says that the "fund" is to "address":

FAA's violation of Section 336 of the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012, which prohibits the FAA from promulgating rules regarding "model aircraft" (drones used for recreational purposes).

Hum, I wonder who got that provision passed into law is the first place?!?!?

Bob
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Anyway you look at it, it SUC**
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Be careful, Obama is getting ready to issue an executive order to prosecute undocumented drone pilots. You know, to show he's tough on national security
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Originally Posted by rhklenke
OK, OK, let's not go off the deep end on this just yet! The AMA is working with the FAA to try and make the registration process transparent for AMA members in the future - they just could not get it done before the Feb 19th deadline. Let's wait and see what the outcome of all of this will be before we throw in the towel.

Also, the AMA has said that registration is between the individual and the FAA - its is a *club* decision of whether or not to enforce registration as a club rule. Of course if they can work on the registration issue with the FAA, then ultimately the point will be moot. Hopefully, must clubs will not jump on the bandwagon to become the registration police - mine has not...

Bob
There is absolutely no reason for clubs to enforce registration. According to the reg. individuals found in violation are personally liable. The AMA has not advised us of any club liability if a non registered individual flies at our field.

As VP of a local club we have no intention of becoming policemen for the FAA. Additionally we have a number of members who don't fly. So why should they need to register?

There may be a few misguided self righteous individuals who might want to take this on. Maybe they can also check drivers licenses and green cards for everyone that shows up at the field.
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Originally Posted by joeflyer
There is absolutely no reason for clubs to enforce registration. According to the reg. individuals found in violation are personally liable. The AMA has not advised us of any club liability if a non registered individual flies at our field.

As VP of a local club we have no intention of becoming policemen for the FAA. Additionally we have a number of members who don't fly. So why should they need to register?

There may be a few misguided self righteous individuals who might want to take this on. Maybe they can also check drivers licenses and green cards for everyone that shows up at the field.
In order to settle this issue with our club membership I sent an email to the AMA this afternoon requesting specific 'in-writing' clarification regarding whether the AMA 'WILL REQUIRE' our club to verify that all members who fly have registered with the FAA.

I'm hoping to hear back shortly and will let everyone know when I do


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Originally Posted by Hinckley Bill
In order to settle this issue with our club membership I sent an email to the AMA this afternoon requesting specific 'in-writing' clarification regarding whether the AMA 'WILL REQUIRE' our club to verify that all members who fly have registered with the FAA.

I'm hoping to hear back shortly and will let everyone know when I do


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This was posted on the AMA blog a week or so ago:

Chad Budreau January 11, 2016 at 13:15
We will be updating our club officers and leader members soon with more details.
The short answer is No. Clubs are not required to police Federal registration, that decision is up to each club. Registration compliance does not affect your membership or insurance.

It will be interesting to see if that has changed...

Bob
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Can I move to Canada or Italy? Do you guys have these stupid issues?

The $5 tax to sign up makes me laugh. By now they have well over one million dollars in fees and your telling me the FAA / Government is going to refund it? Rrrright. After collecting how much in interest? Can I get my rebate plus interest earned?
Ridiculous...

Thanks drondiots!!
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Originally Posted by rhklenke
This was posted on the AMA blog a week or so ago:

Chad Budreau January 11, 2016 at 13:15
We will be updating our club officers and leader members soon with more details.
The short answer is No. Clubs are not required to police Federal registration, that decision is up to each club. Registration compliance does not affect your membership or insurance.

It will indeed be interesting to see if that has changed...

Bob

Bob,

Thanks for the information and link to the AMA blog where the question was asked and answered.....at least at that time.

It will be interesting to see if I receive the same answer.

Bill
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Originally Posted by stevekott
Be careful, Obama is getting ready to issue an executive order to prosecute undocumented drone pilots. You know, to show he's tough on national security
Yeah but will I get free healthcare and in state tuition?
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Originally Posted by Chris Nicastro
Can I move to Canada or Italy? Do you guys have these stupid issues?

The $5 tax to sign up makes me laugh. By now they have well over one million dollars in fees and your telling me the FAA / Government is going to refund it? Rrrright. After collecting how much in interest? Can I get my rebate plus interest earned?
Ridiculous...

Thanks drondiots!!
Its free if you register before Jan 21st
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Let's not fret, Trump will kick all undocumented drone pilots out the country and build a fence 400' high... All without raising taxes and forcing Pegasus to pay for it.
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Originally Posted by FenderBean
Its free if you register before Jan 21st
Well, maybe, but it won't be very free when this happens and someone uses your CC info to buy all the new toys you can afford them:
http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/ama...ked-questions/
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Roger McClurg January 11, 2016 at 12:41
The FAA registration site still requires a credit card that they debit for $5. The FAA then credits the $5 back a week or so later. The FAA’s site is so poorly designed that one individual’s personal and credit card information was presented to another registrant when he went to verify his own information. This is outrageous. If the FAA is not going to charge us, then they should not require credit information on such a poorly designed site.

Be *very* careful what card you use if you register! How long do you think it'll be before this FAA database gets announced as having been "hacked"? I predict it's only a matter of when, not if.
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Originally Posted by BrightGarden
The Cavalry is Not Coming.

If you feel strongly about protecting your freedoms, Here's the Fund.
You have the right to remain silent. Do so.
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Originally Posted by Chris Nicastro
Can I move to Canada or Italy? Do you guys have these stupid issues?

The $5 tax to sign up makes me laugh. By now they have well over one million dollars in fees and your telling me the FAA / Government is going to refund it? Rrrright. After collecting how much in interest? Can I get my rebate plus interest earned?
Ridiculous...

Thanks drondiots!!
They already have been refunding it. What is 0% interest on $5 for 3 weeks?
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Originally Posted by BrightGarden
The Cavalry is Not Coming.

If you feel strongly about protecting your freedoms, Here's the Fund.
Yeah OK...you FPV guys bring down the government on everyone's head..and then you ask for a hand out to fight them all whilst saying that the AMA won't help and is bed with the FAA...lol. Oh that's precious.

Put together a fund to ban all FPV and I'll gladly give!!!

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Originally Posted by ravill


My number: FA3RHFPCFP

It will be tattooed to my forearm this week when I check in to my new "re-education" detention center.

And it expires in 2019. I bet that means I'll have to pay even more then.
Negative. Wall Street and the Top 1% will have to pay for it.
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Originally Posted by stevekott
Be careful, Obama is getting ready to issue an executive order to prosecute undocumented drone pilots. You know, to show he's tough on national security
True dat. We need someone who will shut down borders to prevent rapists, drug dealers, and drone pilots from coming to our country.
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I registered on Dec 21 and paid my $5.00. I did not receive the refund until Monday, if I had not received my refund by Jan 21 I was going to dispute the charges with my credit card provider. The FAA will refund it just takes a while.
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Remember, we "the government", will take care of you and tell you how best to enjoy your life, hobby, liberty and your pursuit of happiness.

Trust us.



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If you hear: "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you".

RUN!
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Originally Posted by RBardin
Well, maybe, but it won't be very free when this happens and someone uses your CC info to buy all the new toys you can afford them:
http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/ama...ked-questions/
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Roger McClurg January 11, 2016 at 12:41
The FAA registration site still requires a credit card that they debit for $5. The FAA then credits the $5 back a week or so later. . This is outrageous. If the FAA is not going to charge us, then they should not require credit information on such a poorly designed site.

Be *very* careful what card you use if you register! How long do you think it'll be before this FAA database gets announced as having been "hacked"? I predict it's only a matter of when, not if.
Curious where you heard this "The FAA’s site is so poorly designed that one individual’s personal and credit card information was presented to another registrant when he went to verify his own information".

This seems rather unlikely since when I log into my account, my credit card information isn't there. They didn't even reveal my credit card information other than the last 4 digits on the confirmation I received to confirm payment. I find it difficult to see how they will show someone else information that isn't in the database. Just because you pay with a credit card doesn't mean they store your card information.

As for their database being hacked, that's always a possiblity. Of course if they don't store card information there, and I'm almost certain they don't, I don't see a lot of motivation to go to the trouble..

As for someone buying a bunch of stuff using your card information, if your credit card company doesn't immediately remove all such charges to your card immediately upon being notified they are fraudulent, you need a new credit card company..


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