Its Official: AMA says we are now required to register.
01-20-2016, 03:12 PM
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Amazing how an undocumented "drone" pilot will get hammered while Hillary with all the sensitive data on her sloppy secret unsecure personal server & email address, doesn't.
01-20-2016, 04:15 PM
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Here's what the link says...;.
Strongly Agree - it is the dawn of new needed accountability by AMA.
We don't need to be administered to, as is the current MO of the AMA - >we< are the AMA.
From the communiques and videos I don't sense an organization that is on the ball. I'm not here to take pot shots, I am here to move the AMA toward better service and communications, like any other not-for-profit.
01-20-2016, 06:40 PM
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[QUOTE=Vettster;12164826]Is this not YOU speaking Here..http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...&postcount=663
Yes,,,, and I am not sure how you are interpreting this.
I think my concern about FAA and AMA represents anyone who flies traditional, LOS.
Here's where I am keeping track of what seems anything material to the conversation - hard info whenever I come across it: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=532637 - I am fully on the record.
Update - Here is me at my most threatening and dangerous: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAMc4jeV0rw
That's how I roll.
Yes,,,, and I am not sure how you are interpreting this.
I think my concern about FAA and AMA represents anyone who flies traditional, LOS.
Here's where I am keeping track of what seems anything material to the conversation - hard info whenever I come across it: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=532637 - I am fully on the record.
Update - Here is me at my most threatening and dangerous: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAMc4jeV0rw
That's how I roll.
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01-21-2016, 06:13 AM
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I have removed a few posts that had wandered well off the topic and into the realms of politics.
If anyone feels slighted I am sorry, at least one of the posts was a very interesting and alternative view of the topic. If you wish to discuss it further there is a similar thread running in the clubhouse, which as you all know is moderated less severely.
If anyone feels slighted I am sorry, at least one of the posts was a very interesting and alternative view of the topic. If you wish to discuss it further there is a similar thread running in the clubhouse, which as you all know is moderated less severely.
01-21-2016, 07:21 AM
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Curious where you heard this "The FAA’s site is so poorly designed that one individual’s personal and credit card information was presented to another registrant when he went to verify his own information".
This seems rather unlikely since when I log into my account, my credit card information isn't there. They didn't even reveal my credit card information other than the last 4 digits on the confirmation I received to confirm payment. I find it difficult to see how they will show someone else information that isn't in the database. Just because you pay with a credit card doesn't mean they store your card information.
As for their database being hacked, that's always a possiblity. Of course if they don't store card information there, and I'm almost certain they don't, I don't see a lot of motivation to go to the trouble..
As for someone buying a bunch of stuff using your card information, if your credit card company doesn't immediately remove all such charges to your card immediately upon being notified they are fraudulent, you need a new credit card company..
This seems rather unlikely since when I log into my account, my credit card information isn't there. They didn't even reveal my credit card information other than the last 4 digits on the confirmation I received to confirm payment. I find it difficult to see how they will show someone else information that isn't in the database. Just because you pay with a credit card doesn't mean they store your card information.
As for their database being hacked, that's always a possiblity. Of course if they don't store card information there, and I'm almost certain they don't, I don't see a lot of motivation to go to the trouble..
As for someone buying a bunch of stuff using your card information, if your credit card company doesn't immediately remove all such charges to your card immediately upon being notified they are fraudulent, you need a new credit card company..
The comment was copied & pasted from the comment section of the link I provided. It was about half-way down at that time, written by Roger McClurg.
I agree with Roger's comment about it being ridiculous for us to have to provide credit card information to the FAA. I also don't think the FAA are experts at financial security, and this comment seems to prove that pretty early on in the process.
If you trust them with your CC info, have at it. Even if your CC company refunds you, you'll still have to deal with the mess.
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01-21-2016, 08:30 AM
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There is absolutely no reason for clubs to enforce registration. According to the reg. individuals found in violation are personally liable. The AMA has not advised us of any club liability if a non registered individual flies at our field.
As VP of a local club we have no intention of becoming policemen for the FAA. Additionally we have a number of members who don't fly. So why should they need to register?
There may be a few misguided self righteous individuals who might want to take this on. Maybe they can also check drivers licenses and green cards for everyone that shows up at the field.
As VP of a local club we have no intention of becoming policemen for the FAA. Additionally we have a number of members who don't fly. So why should they need to register?
There may be a few misguided self righteous individuals who might want to take this on. Maybe they can also check drivers licenses and green cards for everyone that shows up at the field.
01-21-2016, 09:00 AM
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if you look AMA is trying to work out one registeration with AMA and FAA together I believe it is line 10 on the ama response , our club is requiring FAA cards
01-21-2016, 09:05 AM
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We understand there are AMA members who do not have a computer or do not want to submit a credit card during the application process. We discussed with the FAA the use of a paper application, which currently is only available at local FAA Flight Standards Ditrict Offices (FSDO). To make these paper applications easier to obtain, AMA is working to acquire these documents, which we can send to members who request them. As for members who are willing to register online, but cannot or do not want to submit credit card information, the FAA has agreed to accept gift credit cards such as Visa or Mastercard.
For those clubs that own a model aircraft as an organization and not as an individual, we requested clarification as to how to register the model. We concluded that those models should be registered under the registration of one of the club leaders. To protect that club leader who voluntarily placed his number in or on the club aircraft, the member should have a written document from the club indicating he or she should not be held responsible and is simply providing a registration number on behalf of the club.
Finally, there is confusion around whether members register themselves or their aircraft. Members register themselves and place their number in or on their aircraft.
At the end of our meeting with the FAA, we invited FAA representatives to join the AMA leadership at a nearby flying site to showcase firsthand AMA’s safety protocols, demonstrate club camaraderie and mentoring, and provide the opportunity for the FAA to speak with AMA members in-person.
For those clubs that own a model aircraft as an organization and not as an individual, we requested clarification as to how to register the model. We concluded that those models should be registered under the registration of one of the club leaders. To protect that club leader who voluntarily placed his number in or on the club aircraft, the member should have a written document from the club indicating he or she should not be held responsible and is simply providing a registration number on behalf of the club.
Finally, there is confusion around whether members register themselves or their aircraft. Members register themselves and place their number in or on their aircraft.
At the end of our meeting with the FAA, we invited FAA representatives to join the AMA leadership at a nearby flying site to showcase firsthand AMA’s safety protocols, demonstrate club camaraderie and mentoring, and provide the opportunity for the FAA to speak with AMA members in-person.
01-21-2016, 09:25 AM
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Here it is in black and white from AMA's website; clubs are not responsible for policing federal registration, and registration does not affect AMA membership or insurance.
http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/ama.../#comment-5587
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01-21-2016, 09:25 AM
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As far as the "combining" of AMA and FAA registration, that is being worked on, but is not in place right now either. When and if it does come, the intent is for AMA membership to "include" FAA registration - that is, the AMA will send your "registration information" to the FAA, and potentially also pay for the FAA registration fee.
Bob
ps. Joe gave you the link to this info. above...
01-21-2016, 10:12 AM
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We understand there are AMA members who do not have a computer or do not want to submit a credit card during the application process. We discussed with the FAA the use of a paper application, which currently is only available at local FAA Flight Standards Ditrict Offices (FSDO). To make these paper applications easier to obtain, AMA is working to acquire these documents, which we can send to members who request them. As for members who are willing to register online, but cannot or do not want to submit credit card information, the FAA has agreed to accept gift credit cards such as Visa or Mastercard.
ok here is my question why would AMA bother with getting FAA applications to its members if they are not going to enforce it . our club is enforcing the rule , that is what I was told no FAA card no membership
ok here is my question why would AMA bother with getting FAA applications to its members if they are not going to enforce it . our club is enforcing the rule , that is what I was told no FAA card no membership
01-21-2016, 10:20 AM
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I have removed a few posts that had wandered well off the topic and into the realms of politics.
If anyone feels slighted I am sorry, at least one of the posts was a very interesting and alternative view of the topic. If you wish to discuss it further there is a similar thread running in the clubhouse, which as you all know is moderated less severely.
If anyone feels slighted I am sorry, at least one of the posts was a very interesting and alternative view of the topic. If you wish to discuss it further there is a similar thread running in the clubhouse, which as you all know is moderated less severely.
LOL
A few? Don't you mean just mine? At least you're consistent! Leave all the political ones, delete mine (non-political) and then claim you're cleaning up politics. If I thought you had any principle when it comes to your sticky little delete button, I'd dare you to put my post back, then take an informal poll as to whether or not deleting it made any sense (given what you left up there).
I have to wonder if you were as good at sign-twirling as you are at this new job...
01-21-2016, 11:22 AM
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What your club is doing is up to your club. There is no provision anywhere in the FAA registration rule for the FAA to take action against a club or organization, or property owner at a site where an "unregistered" UAS is being operated - its completely a matter between the owner of the UAS and the FAA.
Perhaps your club leadership is in need of education...
Bob
01-21-2016, 11:58 AM
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A few? Don't you mean just mine? At least you're consistent! Leave all the political ones, delete mine (non-political) and then claim you're cleaning up politics. If I thought you had any principle when it comes to your sticky little delete button, I'd dare you to put my post back, then take an informal poll as to whether or not deleting it made any sense (given what you left up there).
I have to wonder if you were as good at sign-twirling as you are at this new job...
A few? Don't you mean just mine? At least you're consistent! Leave all the political ones, delete mine (non-political) and then claim you're cleaning up politics. If I thought you had any principle when it comes to your sticky little delete button, I'd dare you to put my post back, then take an informal poll as to whether or not deleting it made any sense (given what you left up there).
I have to wonder if you were as good at sign-twirling as you are at this new job...
01-21-2016, 01:49 PM
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I think a lot of this will depend on the location of the club. For example, my club is on public land and rather than risk the state coming back and saying we are breaking the law and possibly terminating our lease, we have chosen to ensure all of our members register. If the club is on private land, then absolutely I could see clubs not requiring it as AMA doesn't.
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The AMA is trying to find a way for its members to pay who do not want to (or can't) use the internet to register - its a *service* to members and at this point, AMA is NOT requiring its members to register.
What your club is doing is up to your club. There is no provision anywhere in the FAA registration rule for the FAA to take action against a club or organization, or property owner at a site where an "unregistered" UAS is being operated - its completely a matter between the owner of the UAS and the FAA.
Perhaps your club leadership is in need of education...
Bob
What your club is doing is up to your club. There is no provision anywhere in the FAA registration rule for the FAA to take action against a club or organization, or property owner at a site where an "unregistered" UAS is being operated - its completely a matter between the owner of the UAS and the FAA.
Perhaps your club leadership is in need of education...
Bob
01-21-2016, 02:12 PM
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I think a lot of this will depend on the location of the club. For example, my club is on public land and rather than risk the state coming back and saying we are breaking the law and possibly terminating our lease, we have chosen to ensure all of our members register. If the club is on private land, then absolutely I could see clubs not requiring it as AMA doesn't.
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01-21-2016, 02:19 PM
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Although a few individual clubs have decided to be enforcers they are doing so on their own initiative, not as a result of any direction from the AMA.
01-21-2016, 07:56 PM
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