electric vereses air retracts.?
02-07-2016, 09:57 AM
#27
There are no valves, valve servos, valve connections or hoses with big etracts... maybe a control module depending on the maker... that's a half ounce if that
With most 1/2inch pin etracts its the etract, which weighs the same as the air retract, and servo wires or extensions.
Now Robart makes an amp out electric conversion kits for a lot of current air retracts... 200 dollars with control module which is convenient cause the rx\tx doesn't need to be on to work the retracts up or down.
With most 1/2inch pin etracts its the etract, which weighs the same as the air retract, and servo wires or extensions.
Now Robart makes an amp out electric conversion kits for a lot of current air retracts... 200 dollars with control module which is convenient cause the rx\tx doesn't need to be on to work the retracts up or down.
People argue over their decision to what they have purchased Radio Plane ( Motor Electric engine Fuel)Props RETRACT. The argue because thay don't want to think they didn't buy the right thing and what someone else bought just might be better. Or better just because it's EASIER. Not how every Add says Easy in it .... No one wants to put in the effort anymore ... Everyone wants it all done for them .... Me too. I hate Glue . Don't even Like to repair or put together an ARF. That's why they have Swap meets and of course RCU. LongLive RCU.
This Bad Dog doesn't have a need for any gear. It ain't gonna Land, Just go BOOOM.
02-07-2016, 10:46 AM
#28
02-07-2016, 02:02 PM
#29
PLZ Enlighten me as to what an electronic air valve is and how it works ... OH I have an older Robart P-47 Electric retracts (still in the box) U know the ones U can burn out by plugging them into the control box backwards. Looking forward to your explanation of the electronic air valve.
02-07-2016, 03:07 PM
#31
The electronic valves have been around for years. If I use air, I like using these valves. Moving forward, I will always use electric. I have BVM conversion D&L and also Behotec. They work very well and are very reliable.
Check out the valves
http://www.dreamworksrc.com/catalog/...ectronic-Valve
http://www.dreamworksrc.com/catalog/...l-Action-Valve
Check out the valves
http://www.dreamworksrc.com/catalog/...ectronic-Valve
http://www.dreamworksrc.com/catalog/...l-Action-Valve
02-07-2016, 05:01 PM
#33
Originally Posted by HoundDog 
Looking forward to your explanation of the electronic air valve.
Ain't worth the time to argue about it. Thanks for the explination though.
Doggies cold run the "Nap of the Earth" at 200' AGL
Last edited by HoundDog; 02-07-2016 at 05:04 PM.
02-07-2016, 05:17 PM
#34
02-07-2016, 07:54 PM
#38
I know I am coming in late but I am just going to say once you get the electrics set up right they are awesome. I had over 160+ flights on my first Skygate Hawk and now have close to 30 flight on my second one with no issues on my Down and Lock conversions. The weight difference is very little compared to air. I have a Robart set in my H9
P-51 1/5th with 4 years of trouble free flying.
I can say I never had to make a wheels up landing on anything with electrics with the one exception of my current hawk when I first flew it at GA jets. I reused the motors from my first Hawk that was lost to fire. My mistake. One of the drives broke with the wheels up so I just pulled the others up and made a perfect grass slide.
The first flights on the first hawk had a few times I had to cycle the gear because they would amp out. But with the electrics I could cycle them 20+ times in the air with out worrying about running out power.
I figured out it took a little bit bigger battery to pick up the heavy gear with out amping out.
I have the doors on servos also and love the scale look going up and down.
I understand it is a preference. I prefer the electrics.
P-51 1/5th with 4 years of trouble free flying.
I can say I never had to make a wheels up landing on anything with electrics with the one exception of my current hawk when I first flew it at GA jets. I reused the motors from my first Hawk that was lost to fire. My mistake. One of the drives broke with the wheels up so I just pulled the others up and made a perfect grass slide.
The first flights on the first hawk had a few times I had to cycle the gear because they would amp out. But with the electrics I could cycle them 20+ times in the air with out worrying about running out power.
I figured out it took a little bit bigger battery to pick up the heavy gear with out amping out.
I have the doors on servos also and love the scale look going up and down.
I understand it is a preference. I prefer the electrics.
02-07-2016, 08:08 PM
#41
I know I am coming in late but I am just going to say once you get the electrics set up right they are awesome. I had over 160+ flights on my first Skygate Hawk and now have close to 30 flight on my second one with no issues on my Down and Lock conversions. The weight difference is very little compared to air. I have a Robart set in my H9
P-51 1/5th with 4 years of trouble free flying.
I can say I never had to make a wheels up landing on anything with electrics with the one exception of my current hawk when I first flew it at GA jets. I reused the motors from my first Hawk that was lost to fire. My mistake. One of the drives broke with the wheels up so I just pulled the others up and made a perfect grass slide.
The first flights on the first hawk had a few times I had to cycle the gear because they would amp out. But with the electrics I could cycle them 20+ times in the air with out worrying about running out power.
I figured out it took a little bit bigger battery to pick up the heavy gear with out amping out.
I have the doors on servos also and love the scale look going up and down.
I understand it is a preference. I prefer the electrics.
P-51 1/5th with 4 years of trouble free flying.
I can say I never had to make a wheels up landing on anything with electrics with the one exception of my current hawk when I first flew it at GA jets. I reused the motors from my first Hawk that was lost to fire. My mistake. One of the drives broke with the wheels up so I just pulled the others up and made a perfect grass slide.
The first flights on the first hawk had a few times I had to cycle the gear because they would amp out. But with the electrics I could cycle them 20+ times in the air with out worrying about running out power.
I figured out it took a little bit bigger battery to pick up the heavy gear with out amping out.
I have the doors on servos also and love the scale look going up and down.
I understand it is a preference. I prefer the electrics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBU6sgJvhSw
Last edited by HoundDog; 02-07-2016 at 08:10 PM.
02-07-2016, 08:27 PM
#42
02-08-2016, 08:19 PM
#43
Electrics have come a long way and the price is coming down. The biggest complaint I've had is the slow speed of operation. Modern (full scale) fighter gear retracts in three to four seconds while most electric gear I've seen take at least twice as long. Has there been a speed increase lately?
02-09-2016, 04:47 AM
#44
Mark that would be my only complaint also. My gear take about 13 seconds to retract. One of the reason is to allow it to amp out and the end points without ripping it's self apart. I am sure it will get better in the future.
Like I said before I am very happy with mine. I am having D&L do a set of gear for my Miester Scale 102" P-47.
Like I said before I am very happy with mine. I am having D&L do a set of gear for my Miester Scale 102" P-47.
02-09-2016, 08:25 AM
#45
Mark that would be my only complaint also. My gear take about 13 seconds to retract. One of the reason is to allow it to amp out and the end points without ripping it's self apart. I am sure it will get better in the future.
Like I said before I am very happy with mine. I am having D&L do a set of gear for my Miester Scale 102" P-47.
Like I said before I am very happy with mine. I am having D&L do a set of gear for my Miester Scale 102" P-47.
02-09-2016, 01:23 PM
#46
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Dreamworks has been producing the Pro-Link Electric retracts and brakes for over three years now. They have proven to be extremely durable, trouble free systems with exceptional torque and transit speed. I would love to hear from anyone whom has been unsatisfied with our Pro-Drive systems!?
Of course, there is always room for improvement and improvements we have made! We have just received our first inventory batch of our latest generation electric retract systems; The GENESIS SERIES.
The Genesis series offers an extremely robust two piece CNC frame, sealing the motor and gearbox from the mechanics while eliminating all possibility of friction or binding due to uneven mounting rails. Over-sized T-Bar, beefed up trunion, and a dual bearing supported drive screw assures these retracts remain slop free even after those not-so-perfect landings. Connector plug is integrated into the retract housing, allowing for simple gear installation and removal. One of the most important upgrades to the Genesis Series is position sensing end stops, while retaining current sensing in transit. Travel endpoints are sensor controlled, eliminating all the stresses on the mechanics and drive system typically seen with stall current actuator systems. As an additional safety, we retained the stall current mode while gear are in transit. Gearing specifically selected to provide substantially more torque than our competitors while retaining our quick transit speed.
The Genesis series will be offered as pin mount and clamp lock style trunions in common sizing as well as normal and reversed configurations. Nose units are available as tiller steer, direct steer and reversed direct steer.
Product listings for the Genesis series should be up on the website by Friday. 8mm pin mount and 1/2" trunion lock versions are in stock, reversed units are in production.
Of course, there is always room for improvement and improvements we have made! We have just received our first inventory batch of our latest generation electric retract systems; The GENESIS SERIES.
The Genesis series offers an extremely robust two piece CNC frame, sealing the motor and gearbox from the mechanics while eliminating all possibility of friction or binding due to uneven mounting rails. Over-sized T-Bar, beefed up trunion, and a dual bearing supported drive screw assures these retracts remain slop free even after those not-so-perfect landings. Connector plug is integrated into the retract housing, allowing for simple gear installation and removal. One of the most important upgrades to the Genesis Series is position sensing end stops, while retaining current sensing in transit. Travel endpoints are sensor controlled, eliminating all the stresses on the mechanics and drive system typically seen with stall current actuator systems. As an additional safety, we retained the stall current mode while gear are in transit. Gearing specifically selected to provide substantially more torque than our competitors while retaining our quick transit speed.
The Genesis series will be offered as pin mount and clamp lock style trunions in common sizing as well as normal and reversed configurations. Nose units are available as tiller steer, direct steer and reversed direct steer.
Product listings for the Genesis series should be up on the website by Friday. 8mm pin mount and 1/2" trunion lock versions are in stock, reversed units are in production.
02-10-2016, 03:55 AM
#50
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There are no gear doors on the Turbinator,
but the controller does handle gear doors along with all the sequencing and delays.
The Genesis is the first of its kind in the PL line, but I think they are planning on making other sizes. I don't know how large you need, but they do have the Hercules series which I believe have been tested, and will lift 9 or 10 pounds with a 7" strut.
but the controller does handle gear doors along with all the sequencing and delays. The Genesis is the first of its kind in the PL line, but I think they are planning on making other sizes. I don't know how large you need, but they do have the Hercules series which I believe have been tested, and will lift 9 or 10 pounds with a 7" strut.