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Old 10-15-2018, 05:28 AM
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Looks awesome Dantley. Mine's due to be in the same scheme but being painted by Phil Noel. Looks like the CARF finish is really good!
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Old 10-16-2018, 07:48 PM
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Old 10-25-2018, 12:13 AM
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looks awesome, how much this costs shipped?
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Old 10-26-2018, 01:01 AM
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Hi, any one has converted their gear to electric with Down and Locked? If so what's the quality of them??/
I just got a quote for the convertion for $ 1075 Usd
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Old 10-26-2018, 01:33 AM
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Am I the only one who thinks the price of the gear on these models is getting way over the top?

Almost 3000 Euros from CARF and this doesnít include wheels, brakes or air kit 1000usd to convert to electric!

I would love one of these kits, and would probably be happy to stretch to the price of the kit itself, but there is no way I am spending that sort of money on retracts. It wouldnít be so bad if they were completely reliable but I have it on good authority that they arenít.
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Old 10-26-2018, 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by siclick33 View Post
Am I the only one who thinks the price of the gear on these models is getting way over the top?

Almost 3000 Euros from CARF and this doesnít include wheels, brakes or air kit 1000usd to convert to electric!

I would love one of these kits, and would probably be happy to stretch to the price of the kit itself, but there is no way I am spending that sort of money on retracts. It wouldnít be so bad if they were completely reliable but I have it on good authority that they arenít.
well, the new retracts from Carf are electric, so far I'm really happy with my pneumatic ones, Is just that now I have some other planes with electric gear and is a Joy not to be carring the airpump around and just put gas on the plane and go fly...
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Old 10-26-2018, 11:30 AM
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I remember the day , you can get a jet in the air for under $6000.00 us dollars.

Now that doesn't even cover the turbine.
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Old 10-26-2018, 01:20 PM
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It's not particularly well advertised on Carf's site but you can order electrified gear with wheels and brakes for just over €3000. Matrix also offers a better deal if you go direct. While it's not cheap, to do it properly does require rather a lot of work and in a world where we all need to charge the going rate for our services - maybe it's just the price for getting a person with the correct skills to do the job.
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Old 10-26-2018, 09:16 PM
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A lot of CNC work needed for landing gears. Itís not cheap, unfortunately.
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Old 10-27-2018, 05:32 AM
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Whether the gear is 2000 or 4000 it’s not going to change someone who really has interest in putting a 20k jet in the air.
18,000 or 20,000 is not going to make a difference, so it’s just hot air.
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Originally Posted by siclick33 View Post
Am I the only one who thinks the price of the gear on these models is getting way over the top?

Almost 3000 Euros from CARF and this doesnít include wheels, brakes or air kit 1000usd to convert to electric!

I would love one of these kits, and would probably be happy to stretch to the price of the kit itself, but there is no way I am spending that sort of money on retracts. It wouldnít be so bad if they were completely reliable but I have it on good authority that they arenít.
Iím going with the new electric retracts from CARF, which I believe are about the same price as the pneumatic gear. Do you think the price of the gear for this plane is comparable for gear from other high end kits? i.e. Tomahawk and Airworld?
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My matrix gear were $3200. Electric and they included the wheels. Machined scale wheels with behotec rubber, not DUBRO foam.....

I think this price is very fair considering how much work was put into them and they aren't made in high volume. There are two or there people making gear for this plane, I doubt there will be 250 sets of gear made between the them.
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Old 10-27-2018, 07:33 PM
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Chipping away. Go the front tray done, and the pipes in... waiting to install the turbines until I Have most everything else done, don't want the extra weight to move around. Only thing I will have near the air brake is the three shut off valves. Thanks Peter Agnew for making the awesome tray! Would have sucked trying to trial and error this bad boy...
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Originally Posted by Andrew Bird View Post
It's not particularly well advertised on Carf's site but you can order electrified gear with wheels and brakes for just over Ä3000. Matrix also offers a better deal if you go direct. While it's not cheap, to do it properly does require rather a lot of work and in a world where we all need to charge the going rate for our services - maybe it's just the price for getting a person with the correct skills to do the job.
CARF has always had issues with their hydraulic gear going back to the Mig-29.. If they're doing electric, that's the way to go for sure.
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Old 10-28-2018, 09:48 AM
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Phil Noel has been busily working away on the paint job for mine - looks like it's getting close
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Old 10-29-2018, 02:05 AM
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Great paint work on those hot sections!
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Old 10-29-2018, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dubd View Post


Iím going with the new electric retracts from CARF, which I believe are about the same price as the pneumatic gear. Do you think the price of the gear for this plane is comparable for gear from other high end kits? i.e. Tomahawk and Airworld?
Dantley - I'm going with the CARF electric set as well. If it's painted as the pictures I've seen with the nicer wheels and brakes it should be very good. I'm looking in to whether I use servos or actuators for the gear doors so I can pretty much remove the air system all together. Andreas says servos apparently but would be interesting to know if anyone has found actuators that work for the job?
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I just finished all the cylinders on my doors, wasn't terrible to put them in. The big rear main door would be tough to put a servo... they make a little cutout just for a cylinder.

I was going to use linear servos, but Phil Noel, who has done of few of these planes, advised against it. The firgelli are too big and square, the electrons work, but they aren't proportional... no idea why. These are the ones Phil suggested not to use. Trust his opinion.
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Old 10-29-2018, 11:37 PM
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Thanks! Using the Intairco trays helps a lot if I do end up retaining a load of the air system for the doors, at least everything can be easily accessed with the nose off.

I've not seen anyone really come up with a good way of electrifying the speed brake, so if that has an air system it's no massive hardship to retain the full air system for the doors as well. It just would have been nice to come up with a solution to run electric gear and and the electron type controller I have with the Mephisto that will then sequence all the doors etc as well.
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Old 11-08-2018, 02:48 AM
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Phil Noel finished up the SU this week and I picked up yesterday. He has smashed it out of the park! It's fantastic!
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Old 11-08-2018, 05:22 AM
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Gorgeous!
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Old 11-08-2018, 09:02 AM
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Only one word - perfect!!!
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Su-27/30/35 all look good even on basecoat but I like it more as you have it .
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