pmanning

Barry or Kris,
Just wanted to verify the settings on the new ecu before 1st start on the test bench. A couple of the fuel start parameters are way higher than the old manual suggests.

K60 - New ECU with Auto Re-Start
Diesel w/ 5% KingTech Oil

- default settings -

****** Fuel Start Parameters ******
Pump start point Auto +1
Pump start ramp 7
Glow power 7.4V (didn't locate this parameter)*
Low battery 7.0V (didn't locate this parameter)*
Starter power Ignition 80 (old manual = 40)
Starter power Fuel Ramp 90
100% starter power 70,000
Rpm off starter 26,000
Rpm to reconnect 23,000
Rpm ignition K 5,000
Pump pw ignition k 72 (old manual = 21)
Engine min flow 50%
EGT end preheat 76c
Rpm preheat 10,000
Rpm fuel ramp 12,000
Preheat fuel 25%

****** Run Menu ******
Full Power 162,000
Idle 55,000
Stop RPM 35,000
Max Temp 940C
Acceleration Delay 002
Deceleration Delay 005
Stability Delay 100
Pump Limit 420

****** Re-Start Menu *******
OFF

Thanks,
Paul

flejter1

Paul,

Please leave the factory settings as is. The factory test runs every turbine before it leaves the factory and they are set up for Diesel start. Even though they are set up for diesel start, Kero/jet A will also normally start on those same settings. The new ECU is totally different from the Xicoy ECU settings. Barry is working on the new manual and will have it out soon. Please set up the new turbine with its new equipment, learn RC, Prime the pump and start it. If it does not start to your likings, call Barry or myself for tech support before you try and change anything on your own.

Regards,

Dirk
KingTech Service

Barry
626-799-7588
Dirk
26-808-6122

pmanning

Thanks Dirk

markusvt

The RC learn is under the radio icon, it steps you through the process.

marquisvns

We are still patiently waiting for their second set of protocols.

Regards,
Barry

marquisvns

No problem with JR, Spektrum, highly professional companies, received protocols with zero hassle.

Regards,
Barr

marquisvns

This is for Xicoy, probably not compatible to that of the new KingTech system.

Regards,
Barry

TonyBuilder

My Feedback: (11)

Hi Berry, I know you are working on a manual for the new ESU. Can you please list the procigure of the first start/ setup for some of us rookies. Also is this unite blue tooth capable and if so how do you set that up. Any info would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

TB

TonyBuilder

My Feedback: (11)

how is this progressing?

TB

markusvt

On the new ECU/GSU, how did you get to these settings?

pmanning

After setting up my RX, ECU, GSU, Turbine, and pump on the bench, I powered the RX and entered the Radio Menu on the GSU to Learn R/C. This works correctly, I can see the correct pulse widths and also stick/trim positions shown in the Dashboard. I then entered the the Turbine Menu and using Prev/Next (3&4) to view the settings and wrote them down in my (old manual) to compare values (I have not changed any values on the new unit). When I saw that the two of the start up settings were much higher than the old manual, I posted them here to confirm before continuing with 1st start on the bench yet (still waiting on fuel tank fittings). Note, I have also entered the HDT menu to view settings and it shows:
K60, Ver1:01 Build: Aug 1 2016
Full RPM 120
Init RPM 20

Here are the screen page numbers on the GSU to correspond to the values:

****** Fuel Start Parameters (in the Turbine Menu)******
page 1/14 - Pump start point Auto +1
page 2/14 - Pump start ramp 7
Glow power 7.4V (didn't locate this parameter)*
Low battery 7.0V (didn't locate this parameter)*
page 7/14 - Starter power Ignition 80 (old manual = 40)
page 8/14 - Starter power Fuel Ramp 90
page 9/14 - 100% starter power 70,000
page 13/14 - Rpm off starter 26,000
page 14/14 - Rpm to reconnect 23,000
page 4/14 - Rpm ignition K 5,000
page 3/14 - Pump pw ignition k 72 (old manual = 21)
page 10/14 - Engine min flow 50%
page 12/14 - EGT end preheat 76c
page 5/14 - Rpm preheat 10,000
page 6/14 - Rpm fuel ramp 12,000
page 11/14 - Preheat fuel 25%

****** Run Menu (in the Turbine Menu)******
page 1/8 - Full Power 162,000
page 2/8 - Idle 55,000
page 3/8 - Stop RPM 35,000
page 4/8 - Max Temp 940C
page 5/8 - Acceleration Delay 002
page 6/8 - Deceleration Delay 005
page 7/8 - Stability Delay 100
page 8/8 - Pump Limit 420


****** Restart Mode (in the Turbine Menu)******
OFF

Any concerns? or go ahead with bench testing?
Thanks again,
Paul

flejter1

Paul,

Please refer to response #127

pmanning

Thanks Dirk - I understood your response - I mistook the last post as being from Barry (markusvt - On the new ECU/GSU, how did you get to these settings?) So, being cautious, I provided a full explanation.
Personally, I wish we all just used our names I only ask questions on forums and leave the answers to the experts.
Thanks again,
Paul

Rcman4u2

My Feedback: (1)

Does the new esu/gsu have a prime the pump feature? Do I need to prime the pump prior to the first start up?

markusvt

Mine has the prime feature. I did it a few times, it moved hardly any fuel. I activated the start feature and it rapidly filled the fuel line and started.

Rcman4u2

My Feedback: (1)

Thanks, I plan to maiden my Turbinator this weekend with the new version K120G. I will see if I can prime the pump first. If not will just try regular start up.

gunradd

My Feedback: (9)

Sorry wish I could help you but my experience with the new stuff is very limited. Barry is your best bet for info.

pmanning

Thanks again Dirk.
Bench testing was excellent. Quick starts - smoothly moving through the Stages. Accel / Decel responses are fast - idles steady. ECU Dashboard is very helpful (and cool).
Only things to note were: the prime function (9/9 Test Menu) was really slow and the Log and Summary functions both seem to get stuck connecting to the ECU.
Thanks,
Paul

marquisvns

Here's what I have gathered about pump priming, tap on the #1 ON button to start (at this time the pump will prime at very low voltage) then you might want to increase pump power by tapping on the same button until desired pump speed reached (more tap more power) pump will continue running at the last tapped power, then tap #2 button to turn it off.

Hope this helps,
Barry

markusvt

The log and summary functions work after you have some runs. The system needs data to look at. It does store a number of runs you can look at, pretty cool.

Rcman4u2

My Feedback: (1)

First run on my KT120g with the new pump, ECU and GSU. Had a hard time priming the pump. Ended up disconnecting the pump fuel line from the UAT, added an extension, filled the extension with fuel and blew in it while using the prime function in GSU. Finally got a little fuel in the pump, hooked fuel line back up and it started. Ran excellent! Another great turbine from Kingtech to add to my collection.

TonyBuilder

My Feedback: (11)

So it sounds like you need to manually prim the pump when you install and plumb it. That is fine as I will be doing a bench run this weekend or next. The trick will be to keep fule in it during the frame install.

TB

Rick75

My Feedback: (3)

I finally ran my new K100 today and all I can say is WOW. Very good craftsmanship on the pump, ECU and GSU. I don't know about you guys but the GSU screen looks great in my work shop but out in the sun is very hard to see it. Is that anything that can be done to fix the glare on the screen? Maybe a brightness adjustment? Under than that I'm very pleased.

markusvt

10 flights on my K60, runs perfect! The support from Barry and Dirk is unreal in the hobby.

Yes outside the LCD is almost 100% useless, (needs contrast/brightness control).

My K-60:

Turbine Run Menu 1 Full Power RPM 162.000 RPM
Turbine Run Menu 2 Idle RPM 55.000 RPM
Turbine Run Menu 3 Max Temp 940C
Turbine Run Menu 4 Acceleration Delay 002
Turbine Run Menu 5 Deceleration Delay 005
Turbine Run Menu 6 Stability Delay 100
Turbine Run Menu 7 Pump Limit 380
Turbine Start Menu 1 Pump Start Volts Auto+1
Turbine Start Menu 2 Pump Start Value 7
Turbine Start Menu 3 Pump Pw Ignit. K value 072
Turbine Start Menu 4 Ignition RPM 05.000 Ppm
Turbine Start Menu 5 Stage 1 RPM 10.000 Rpm
Turbine Start Menu 6 Stage 3 RPM 12.000 Rpm
Turbine Start Menu 7 Starter Power at Ignition: 060
Turbine Start Menu 8 Stage1 Starter Power: 090
Turbine Start Menu 9 RPM 100% starter power 70.000 Rpm
Turbine Start Menu 10 Engine min.flow: 50%
Turbine Start Menu 11 Stage1 Fuel duty: 025%
Turbine Start Menu 12 Stage1 EGT: T=076C
Turbine Start Menu 13 RPM OFF starter 26.000Rpm
Turbine Start Menu 14 RPM to reconnect starter 23.000Rpm
Transmitter 6 Thrust Curve HALF EXPO

bparro

Hello, I have a problem that I can't find the answer to. I power up the rx then plug in the ecu battery. When I plugged in the ecu battery the pump runs. I'm sure this isn't normal. Can anyone answer why my pump is running on power up?