What to do.....Large Viper or a Bandit MKII...
02-14-2017, 11:35 AM
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If you can consistently "land" a Bandit successfully, you can fly almost any other heavy wing loaded jet. The Bandit will bite you hard if you slow it down too much, It will snap without warning. If you have a good open approach on your final, It locks solid even in windy days if set properly. Raffy and I were one of the first to set up the Bandit with Crow and it worked very well since we have trees on final at our club, it helped a lot.
02-14-2017, 11:49 AM
#28
Doug,
I agree with you on the fact that the bandit has a very unique way of landing: i.e. it does not do a final with "nose up" attitude and the trick is to hold the nose neutral (to 1 degree positive-> but how hard is THAT to gauge) and then flare once the bandit has made the runway.
Many people can get that wrong.
Bandits can snap and snap well. I have HELLA snapped bandits in a tight loop, but that was trying a full elevator pull loop on power. Many other airplanes do this, notably Mustangs.
The other time I have snapped a bandit was, once, I was doing slow dirty passes and I was feeling so confident how slow and how INCREDIBLE my bandit was flying so slow, that when I set up to land and slowed it down even more, it dropped a wing from 3 feet up. That is how I hurt my first bandit.
A balsa bandit no less!
Both of those situations were pilot error, not the Bandit's fault: i.e. I flew the jet out of it's flight envelope. So, I agree that a bandit is a sweet flying jet.
The other thing I don't advise in a bandit is, an upright flat spin like the pic above. It will not come out of the flat spin UNLESS you give opposite input.
The bandit likes inverted flat spins much better!
I agree with you on the fact that the bandit has a very unique way of landing: i.e. it does not do a final with "nose up" attitude and the trick is to hold the nose neutral (to 1 degree positive-> but how hard is THAT to gauge) and then flare once the bandit has made the runway.
Many people can get that wrong.
Bandits can snap and snap well. I have HELLA snapped bandits in a tight loop, but that was trying a full elevator pull loop on power. Many other airplanes do this, notably Mustangs.
The other time I have snapped a bandit was, once, I was doing slow dirty passes and I was feeling so confident how slow and how INCREDIBLE my bandit was flying so slow, that when I set up to land and slowed it down even more, it dropped a wing from 3 feet up. That is how I hurt my first bandit.
A balsa bandit no less!
Both of those situations were pilot error, not the Bandit's fault: i.e. I flew the jet out of it's flight envelope. So, I agree that a bandit is a sweet flying jet.
The other thing I don't advise in a bandit is, an upright flat spin like the pic above. It will not come out of the flat spin UNLESS you give opposite input.
The bandit likes inverted flat spins much better!
02-14-2017, 03:47 PM
#30
Seeing as this is a Bandit landing discussion now.
IMHO Raville is dead right.. . Bandits just require correct handling when landing. It's not difficult, you just have to be consistent. .. I kept breaking my first Bandit until I learned these three rules.
1 Have the GC at least ¾” behind the factory setting.
2 Fly the approach with full flaps, and slightly nose down attitude.
3 In the flare, use ALL the up elevator throw. i.e. old off as long as possible to avoid the dreaded bounce.
Do this, and a Bandit lands easy as pie..
IMHO Raville is dead right.. . Bandits just require correct handling when landing. It's not difficult, you just have to be consistent. .. I kept breaking my first Bandit until I learned these three rules.
1 Have the GC at least ¾” behind the factory setting.
2 Fly the approach with full flaps, and slightly nose down attitude.
3 In the flare, use ALL the up elevator throw. i.e. old off as long as possible to avoid the dreaded bounce.
Do this, and a Bandit lands easy as pie..
02-15-2017, 11:26 AM
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That first photo is the perfect Bandit Landing attitude, no more nose up and you're golden....nice speed brake. I always liked the speed brake but was deleted on the Comp B....
