mr_matt

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Not required at my field. a lot of "blind leading the blind"

What is the status of maidens and waiver flight during AMA events?

BarracudaHockey

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According to the rules, no maidens at an event. What I often see is maidens done very early before the event hours begin, or after hours. The actual rule in the safety code is

As for waiver flights I see nothing preventing it.

causeitflies

Since the waiver flight is a demonstration of pilot skills, "a." Says that this flight must take place prior to the event.
"b" may address this?

RCFlyerDan

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Mr Matt! Are you serious? Or just joking? After you answered me, I thought you were just trying to pick a fight, so I let it go. BUT! IF YOU ARE ON AN AMA CHARTERED FIELD, THEN BY AMA RULES, YOU ARE IGNORING THEM. Markum Park in Lauderdale had that issue too with 3 clubs trying to regulate what happened at the field. This was due to it being a public flying field in a public park. Even with 3 clubs there, no one really regulated anything. Hope you are just joshing us.

On a private field, it is the owner's rules, and no AMA is required. As long as you aren't flying over other's unprotected land and obstacles.

mr_matt

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I dont understand the hysterics here. Yes it is a public park. Yes people fly without a waiver. I am sure the folks trying to "regulate" Markham are having as much "fun" as my club is having trying to run things here........

BTW AMA does not charter fields, they charter clubs.

rhklenke

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Matt,
I thought that your field might be a "public" field and not a club field. Our club is fortunate that we are on private land and requiring flyers to be AMA members and follow the AMA Safety Code is in our lease. I realize that many clubs on public land are not in that situation and have to allow "non-AMA" members to fly there because they are on public land.

Its unfortunate that you are in that situation - as is Markham. Incidentally, I heard from the EC earlier this year about a video that was posted showing a jet flying over people and a highway. When I looked at the video, I immediately identified it as Markham. After they investigated, the AMA found out that not only is the club there no longer an AMA club, but the flyer who posted the video is not an AMA member - thus they could not do anything about it. However, if the FAA was really into enforcement, they could cite the guy for violating FAR Part 101 subpart E since he was not following the safety code of a CBO...

I sincerely hope that this kind of stupid stuff does not ultimately cost us our freedom to fly without FAA regulation, but I'm becoming less and less of an optimist in that area...

Bob

franklin_m

Based on the discussion of compliance issues among waiver community in the 1 August 2021 AMA EC meeting, perhaps you need to address your own issues first.

jbeech

Well, I don't have a waiver but think it's a good idea to earn one before being turned loose to continue learning about turbine-modeling. Why? Simple, it's because proving you're an accomplished pilot is all about risk control (unless we want fellow pilots possibly hurting someone). Whether someone can afford to splatter several thousand bucks is another issue, and one that's none of my business, but what is my business - as a modeler - is safety.

So it's really down to whether someone has the right 'attitude' to be signed off. A couple of experienced turbine pilots can judge this easily. It's why it's my opinion the waiver shouldn't ever involve an online test and instead, require human interaction.

As a lifelong RC modeler (as of April, 50 years), my views on this are safety, first!

CARS II

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Well said.