JR is coming back.
04-10-2019, 11:27 AM
#1
Thread Starter
JR is coming back.
Posted today on the Flying Giants , JR Propo is coming back under the leadership of Frank Noll.
As a dedicated JR user for amost 40 years I wish Frank every success.
As a dedicated JR user for amost 40 years I wish Frank every success.
04-10-2019, 12:32 PM
#2
Update:
Just found the article:
https://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/...d.php?t=250107
Seems like Frank Noll is going to head up the Dee Force team here in USA and rebrand the products. Good to hear, it was confusing with the dual branding.
https://www.deeforce.net/
Last edited by bchapman; 04-10-2019 at 12:42 PM. Reason: Added link to article
04-10-2019, 12:48 PM
#3
`JR had a display at the Toledo Show and there was no sign of Dee Force Aviation that I saw. I did see Frank Knoll but he wasn't at the display at that time. There were a couple Japanese ( I think) gentlemen at the display the two times I went by. I don't fly JR so I didn't stop to inquire and just glanced at the radios.
04-10-2019, 01:37 PM
#4
`JR had a display at the Toledo Show and there was no sign of Dee Force Aviation that I saw. I did see Frank Knoll but he wasn't at the display at that time. There were a couple Japanese ( I think) gentlemen at the display the two times I went by. I don't fly JR so I didn't stop to inquire and just glanced at the radios.
https://www.deeforce.net/about-us-1
Last edited by Zeeb; 04-10-2019 at 01:51 PM.
04-10-2019, 02:13 PM
#5
If you look at the pictures over on FG of the Toledo show, you see "Dee Force" at the bottom of all the banners. JRPROP is no more a solitary company anymore that Spektrum is separate from Horizon.
https://www.deeforce.net/about-us-1
https://www.deeforce.net/about-us-1
Last edited by causeitflies; 04-10-2019 at 02:18 PM.
04-10-2019, 02:44 PM
#8
Like Andy said; don't hold your hand over your "you know what" waiting for it to happen. DSM2/DSMX is a proprietary Spektrum format. While stranger things have happened, I seriously doubt you'll see any kind of arrangement to make that sharing of their RF format possible.
04-12-2019, 06:11 AM
#13
Agreed. DMSS is superior to DSM, DSM2, DSMX anyway. Way more resolution and rock solid RF link. Why would JR want to go backwards? I stopped using Spektrum receivers with my older compatible JR transmitters a while back due to issues with models being bound sometimes and sometimes not. Never happened in the air, but very concerning on the ground when the model doesn't respond. Not sure what was causing it, but never had a problem again after I bought a new XG-14 with DMSS.
04-12-2019, 06:48 AM
#16
Same here. Only time I ever had a bind issue was if I had my transmitter to close to the airplane when I turned it on. Been flying 12x's for about 12 years myself. Dsm2 and dsmx receivers. If the 28x had been backwards compatible with the dsm2 and dsmx i probably would have bought one but the idea of having to buy over a dozen new receivers as well just didn't put a warm fuzzy feeling with me.
04-12-2019, 06:52 AM
#17
DSM2 is fine unless you're at IRCHA or Nall
DSMX is fine for those.
Anyone that thinks DMSS is "Better" than DSMX doesn't know details of transmission protocols and would be shocked if they found out who and what was at the heart of some of this stuff and whom is licensing what from whom.
DSMX is fine for those.
Anyone that thinks DMSS is "Better" than DSMX doesn't know details of transmission protocols and would be shocked if they found out who and what was at the heart of some of this stuff and whom is licensing what from whom.
04-12-2019, 07:00 AM
#18
Same here. Only time I ever had a bind issue was if I had my transmitter to close to the airplane when I turned it on. Been flying 12x's for about 12 years myself. Dsm2 and dsmx receivers. If the 28x had been backwards compatible with the dsm2 and dsmx i probably would have bought one but the idea of having to buy over a dozen new receivers as well just didn't put a warm fuzzy feeling with me.
I didn't have even close to that many receivers, so the switch was pretty easy for me. Might have thought otherwise with over a dozen. I never understood why Spektrum and JR shared the same "system" in the first place? I always thought that Spektrum had patented the system and JR was using it under license, but never was for sure. It was good they finally broke out on their own.
Last edited by bchapman; 04-12-2019 at 07:20 AM.
04-12-2019, 07:10 AM
#19
DSM2 is fine unless you're at IRCHA or Nall
DSMX is fine for those.
Anyone that thinks DMSS is "Better" than DSMX doesn't know details of transmission protocols and would be shocked if they found out who and what was at the heart of some of this stuff and whom is licensing what from whom.
DSMX is fine for those.
Anyone that thinks DMSS is "Better" than DSMX doesn't know details of transmission protocols and would be shocked if they found out who and what was at the heart of some of this stuff and whom is licensing what from whom.
I always assumed some of the base technology behind each protocol has some common aspects that are licensed between companies. And we didn't even bring up Futaba FAAST. That's another story. :-)
I like these forums because there are some really knowledgeable people on here that have the back story and/or more experience with these systems.
Last edited by bchapman; 04-12-2019 at 07:16 AM.
04-12-2019, 07:18 AM
#20
DSM2 is fine unless you're at IRCHA or Nall
DSMX is fine for those.
Anyone that thinks DMSS is "Better" than DSMX doesn't know details of transmission protocols and would be shocked if they found out who and what was at the heart of some of this stuff and whom is licensing what from whom.
DSMX is fine for those.
Anyone that thinks DMSS is "Better" than DSMX doesn't know details of transmission protocols and would be shocked if they found out who and what was at the heart of some of this stuff and whom is licensing what from whom.
Last edited by camss69; 04-12-2019 at 07:37 AM.
04-12-2019, 07:21 AM
#21
DSM2 is fine unless you're at IRCHA or Nall
DSMX is fine for those.
Anyone that thinks DMSS is "Better" than DSMX doesn't know details of transmission protocols and would be shocked if they found out who and what was at the heart of some of this stuff and whom is licensing what from whom.
DSMX is fine for those.
Anyone that thinks DMSS is "Better" than DSMX doesn't know details of transmission protocols and would be shocked if they found out who and what was at the heart of some of this stuff and whom is licensing what from whom.
04-12-2019, 07:26 AM
#23
DMSS works great as well. DSM2 stalled at events because it locked up two of 80 available channels and if those 2 became noisy there was nowhere else to go. That's great at local fields where the spectrum just isn't that crowded. DMSX expanded that to frequency hopping of course and DMSS is just another implementation of DSMX, frequency agile to avoid interference. All stuff I was working on in the Navy long before it became the dujoior RC protocol. Even Futaba was doing 2.4 commercially long before Spektrum came out with the original DX7.
As for the details of the licensing I was asked to refrain from expounding on that in public but I get a chuckle when I hear "one is the best over all others" and think "if they only knew".
As for the details of the licensing I was asked to refrain from expounding on that in public but I get a chuckle when I hear "one is the best over all others" and think "if they only knew".
04-12-2019, 07:45 AM
#24
Transmitter being too close to the airplane could have been the issue. It seemed most of the time it happened was in the pits. I think it was an issue even if I was farther away too. However if it wasn't bound in the first place, moving futher out wouldn't have helped unless I turned it off and back on again and I can't say that ever happened.
I didn't have even close to that many receivers, so the switch was pretty easy for me. Might have thought otherwise with over a dozen. I never understood why Spektrum and JR shared the same "system" in the first place? I always thought that Spektrum had patented the system and JR was using it under license, but never was for sure. It was good they finally broke out on their own.
I didn't have even close to that many receivers, so the switch was pretty easy for me. Might have thought otherwise with over a dozen. I never understood why Spektrum and JR shared the same "system" in the first place? I always thought that Spektrum had patented the system and JR was using it under license, but never was for sure. It was good they finally broke out on their own.
You are correct that moving further away would do nothing unless you switched off the system. I have mostly had it happe With my pylon racers as I generally don't turn on the radio until I'm ready to start the airplane and they are too close Once everything is on and bound though I've never lost bind.
04-12-2019, 07:54 AM
#25
DMSS works great as well. DSM2 stalled at events because it locked up two of 80 available channels and if those 2 became noisy there was nowhere else to go. That's great at local fields where the spectrum just isn't that crowded. DMSX expanded that to frequency hopping of course and DMSS is just another implementation of DSMX, frequency agile to avoid interference. All stuff I was working on in the Navy long before it became the dujoior RC protocol. Even Futaba was doing 2.4 commercially long before Spektrum came out with the original DX7.
As for the details of the licensing I was asked to refrain from expounding on that in public but I get a chuckle when I hear "one is the best over all others" and think "if they only knew".
As for the details of the licensing I was asked to refrain from expounding on that in public but I get a chuckle when I hear "one is the best over all others" and think "if they only knew".
I bet you gained a lot of knowledge in the Navy working on this kind of equipment. Thanks for your service!
Brian