Building the Mick Reeves Hawker Hunter
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RE: Building the Mick Reeves Hawker Hunter
Once the glue dried sufficiently, I just clamped the dowel in the chuck of my lathe and made lots of wonderful white poly dust as I turned the block down to the size and shape that I wanted.
Two coats of fibreglass later, I'm now just waiting for the finishing resin to completely harden so that I can sand & polish it.
Two coats of fibreglass later, I'm now just waiting for the finishing resin to completely harden so that I can sand & polish it.
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RE: Building the Mick Reeves Hawker Hunter
ORIGINAL: WhoDaMan
Whats that part for?
Whats that part for?
Also what state is the field in?????
Gordon
#54
RE: Building the Mick Reeves Hawker Hunter
While waiting for the plugs to dry completely, I've moved on to the wing control surfaces. For the ailerons, I elected to install three hinges instead of the two that Mick calls for - as long as this decision is made before closing out the aileron, it's trivial to add
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RE: Building the Mick Reeves Hawker Hunter
I also added corresponding hardpoints in the appropriate places of the wing's TE for both the aileron and flap hinges. (Note that Mick shows the flap hinges just being screwed into the side of the 1/8" lite-ply rear spar - I just wanted a bit more meat for the hinges).
Here's a shot of the tiny flap hinges - that's a Du-Bro hinge next to it for size comparisson, and a shot of the hinged flap.
In it's up position, the flap TE came up further than desired, so obviously some kind of 'stop' was needed. If you look closely you will see a strip of polyply (about 1" wide) that I have glued inside the TE of the flap pocket - I put some Aeropoxy on the half-ribs, stuck the strip of polyply to the inside of the flap with double-sided tape, then just lowered the flap until it sat perfectly flush. Once the glue dried it held the stop-strip in the perfect position.
Here's a shot of the tiny flap hinges - that's a Du-Bro hinge next to it for size comparisson, and a shot of the hinged flap.
In it's up position, the flap TE came up further than desired, so obviously some kind of 'stop' was needed. If you look closely you will see a strip of polyply (about 1" wide) that I have glued inside the TE of the flap pocket - I put some Aeropoxy on the half-ribs, stuck the strip of polyply to the inside of the flap with double-sided tape, then just lowered the flap until it sat perfectly flush. Once the glue dried it held the stop-strip in the perfect position.
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RE: Building the Mick Reeves Hawker Hunter
ORIGINAL: WhoDaMan
How far out are you on completion
How far out are you on completion
Gordon
#59
RE: Building the Mick Reeves Hawker Hunter
ORIGINAL: WhoDaMan
How do you like the skins you are using
How do you like the skins you are using
I'm considering whether I want to do something like lay a 3" wide strip of 3/4 oz cloth over the LE and wrapped over the front of the polyply, then fair that in to the wing surface. The overlap would be reassuring to me.
Perhaps I'm being unnecesarily paranoid, and the structure as designed is adequate - but there again, who knows ? Mick lost his prototype model very early on, and I don't know of anyone else flying the MR Hunter kit yet - so there's no reassuring "empirical" data out there showing that my concerns are groundless.
Gordon
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RE: Building the Mick Reeves Hawker Hunter
Hi Gordon,
Being a Junior to this forum, and late reader to this thread,
But from now on, I will glued closely behind this thread!
Keep it your effort! we will back you up from this corner of the world....I mean MENTALLY.
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Best regards
albert /AsiaScale RC
Being a Junior to this forum, and late reader to this thread,
But from now on, I will glued closely behind this thread!
Keep it your effort! we will back you up from this corner of the world....I mean MENTALLY.
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Best regards
albert /AsiaScale RC
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RE: Building the Mick Reeves Hawker Hunter
Hello Gordon
I obtained the MR Hunter last year but am just about to start it now. I ordered it without the pro skin as I felt it to be an unknown product and am re-profiling the ribs etc so I can sheet the surfaces in 3/32 ins balsa. I have a P120 to provide the whoomph and am undecided yet as to whether I use MR's own retracts for the Hunter or ask Tony at Unitracts to knock up a set ( he's keen as he did a set for the Westbury Hunter ), By the way, the main wheels Mick supplies are superb, really impressed.
Carry on with the build, I am looking at it with great interest.
I obtained the MR Hunter last year but am just about to start it now. I ordered it without the pro skin as I felt it to be an unknown product and am re-profiling the ribs etc so I can sheet the surfaces in 3/32 ins balsa. I have a P120 to provide the whoomph and am undecided yet as to whether I use MR's own retracts for the Hunter or ask Tony at Unitracts to knock up a set ( he's keen as he did a set for the Westbury Hunter ), By the way, the main wheels Mick supplies are superb, really impressed.
Carry on with the build, I am looking at it with great interest.
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RE: Building the Mick Reeves Hawker Hunter
ORIGINAL: IB
Hello Gordon
I obtained the MR Hunter last year but am just about to start it now. I ordered it without the pro skin as I felt it to be an unknown product and am re-profiling the ribs etc so I can sheet the surfaces in 3/32 ins balsa. I have a P120 to provide the whoomph and am undecided yet as to whether I use MR's own retracts for the Hunter or ask Tony at Unitracts to knock up a set ( he's keen as he did a set for the Westbury Hunter ), By the way, the main wheels Mick supplies are superb, really impressed.
Hello Gordon
I obtained the MR Hunter last year but am just about to start it now. I ordered it without the pro skin as I felt it to be an unknown product and am re-profiling the ribs etc so I can sheet the surfaces in 3/32 ins balsa. I have a P120 to provide the whoomph and am undecided yet as to whether I use MR's own retracts for the Hunter or ask Tony at Unitracts to knock up a set ( he's keen as he did a set for the Westbury Hunter ), By the way, the main wheels Mick supplies are superb, really impressed.
Yes, the wheels really are nice. I would have preferred to have much harder tires though - with the rough surface that we have on some of the runways I fly from, I don't see these soft tires lasting more than 10 or 12 brake applications. At some point I will probably be looking to either cast new hard rubber tires, or find a manufacturer who will do it.
Gordon
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Hi Gordon
I'll be seing Tony from Unitracts this weekend at the British Nationals and we'll be discussing the retracts as I've prepared drawings for what I want. I know from past units I have had from Unitracts that the quality is superb and beats everything I've seen from other manufacturers. I'll let you know what price we come up with for the nose and main units.
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Ian B
I'll be seing Tony from Unitracts this weekend at the British Nationals and we'll be discussing the retracts as I've prepared drawings for what I want. I know from past units I have had from Unitracts that the quality is superb and beats everything I've seen from other manufacturers. I'll let you know what price we come up with for the nose and main units.
Regards
Ian B
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Nice build, gordon. I love Hunters (who doesn't?), and some day when I'm rich enough to afford a turbine I'll have to have one. The glass skin on the wings looks interesting. How do you think it compares weight-wise with a foam/balsa wing? I'm thinking that the skins could be layed up over a (flat) mould which had all the panel details, rivets etc, perhaps with a coat of silver sprayed on the mould first. The LE could also be moulded so there's no need to shape it to match (as long as the ribs are accurate). I know the beauty of the skins for a manufacturer is that you can layup a huge skin on a sheet of glass and cut a whole bunch from them, but the above method may have merit also. Any thoughts?
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The glass skin on the wings looks interesting. How do you think it compares weight-wise with a foam/balsa wing?
The glass skin on the wings looks interesting. How do you think it compares weight-wise with a foam/balsa wing?
I'm thinking that the skins could be layed up over a (flat) mould which had all the panel details, rivets etc, perhaps with a coat of silver sprayed on the mould first. The LE could also be moulded so there's no need to shape it to match (as long as the ribs are accurate). I know the beauty of the skins for a manufacturer is that you can layup a huge skin on a sheet of glass and cut a whole bunch from them, but the above method may have merit also. Any thoughts?
Gordon
#67
Main gear
I've had the main gear fitted in the wing before, but that was before both sides of the wing were sheeted. Now that the sheeting is on, I realised that the gear (when retracted) stick out past the bottom wing skin.
Obviously that is not good, so I'm looking at several ways to fix the issue. The first step involves recessing the gear mount slightly to allow the rubber grommets to be pushed in further, allowing about 1/8" more room. Since the gear plate is only 1/4" ply, obviously that weakens the gear plate, so in addition to recessing the mount, I've also added additional plywood on the top surface (bottom in the upside-down picture) of the plate in order to restore strength.
I also had to gring out several of the wing ribs to allow the strut to move closer to the top surface of the wing.
That is probably still not quite enough, but at least I'm now pretty close, so I shouldn't have to do too much more to get the gear fit right. (I hope!)
Obviously that is not good, so I'm looking at several ways to fix the issue. The first step involves recessing the gear mount slightly to allow the rubber grommets to be pushed in further, allowing about 1/8" more room. Since the gear plate is only 1/4" ply, obviously that weakens the gear plate, so in addition to recessing the mount, I've also added additional plywood on the top surface (bottom in the upside-down picture) of the plate in order to restore strength.
I also had to gring out several of the wing ribs to allow the strut to move closer to the top surface of the wing.
That is probably still not quite enough, but at least I'm now pretty close, so I shouldn't have to do too much more to get the gear fit right. (I hope!)
#68
Main gear doors
The doors on the main gear involve separate pieces that will move. In addition, to allow access to the retracts I will need one "fixed" panel as well.
Attaching the various moving parts to the strut could be tricky, so I wimped out and started with the innermost door since it is attached to the fuselage instead of the strut / wheel.
I simply cut the required shape out of the fuselage using a dremel cutoff wheel and an Xacto saw blade, then used two Usher offset hinges per door, and finshed by using Proskin to create a "lip" for the door to sit on. Note that the door that is hinged on the fuselage should actually be wider than the fuselage (as shown on the plan pic), so I will still need to glue an extension onto this door section.
Door actuation will be by means of air cyliners that I will mount in the bottom of the fuselage.
BTW, the small wooden strip on the door is simply a "stiffener" that I added to ensure that the door does not flex & bind while it is opening.
Attaching the various moving parts to the strut could be tricky, so I wimped out and started with the innermost door since it is attached to the fuselage instead of the strut / wheel.
I simply cut the required shape out of the fuselage using a dremel cutoff wheel and an Xacto saw blade, then used two Usher offset hinges per door, and finshed by using Proskin to create a "lip" for the door to sit on. Note that the door that is hinged on the fuselage should actually be wider than the fuselage (as shown on the plan pic), so I will still need to glue an extension onto this door section.
Door actuation will be by means of air cyliners that I will mount in the bottom of the fuselage.
BTW, the small wooden strip on the door is simply a "stiffener" that I added to ensure that the door does not flex & bind while it is opening.
#69
RE: Main gear doors
I've also now added two wooden blocks per wing for the anti-rotation dowels to fit into. Being a numb-nuts at heart, I of course screwed up and glued them in place without setting the incidence of each wing panel correctly, so I'll need to rework one side.
Since access to the forward one of these blocks was a little tough, I figured now as as good a time as any to open up the air intake. Here you can see it roughed out, and if you look carefully inside you will see a wooden former that has a similarly shaped cutout in it - the intake will be formed by rolling sheet material into a duct that will go from the intake to this former. (This will be clearer once I get to that step and show more photos)
Since access to the forward one of these blocks was a little tough, I figured now as as good a time as any to open up the air intake. Here you can see it roughed out, and if you look carefully inside you will see a wooden former that has a similarly shaped cutout in it - the intake will be formed by rolling sheet material into a duct that will go from the intake to this former. (This will be clearer once I get to that step and show more photos)
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RE: Main gear doors
ORIGINAL: WhoDaMan
So what changed with the sheeting?
So what changed with the sheeting?
I usually work with the gear "unlocked" in the early stages of the build (since I don't have air lines fitted to allow me to swing the gear, I just stop it short of the locks. Doing so means that the gear doesn't use that last 1/8" or so of its travel, and so having the gear protrude marginally past the surface at that stage is "normal" to me. Next - until such time as the tracking of the wheels (toe-in etc) is finalised, it's also quite normal to have the wheel "twisted" slighty such that it sticks out of the well very slightly on one side. Last but not least, the sheeting on any other model adds depth (3/32" or so), but the extremely thin Proskin used on this model does not do that. These facts combined to make me not pay much attention, earlier on, to whether the gear retracted far enough.
It's not a big deal - just one of those fairly typical "nigglies" that crop up with a lot of the lower volume kits.
Gordon
#72
RE: Main gear doors
The inlet ducting was interesting to do. When I tried making it out of the supplied material, it kept cracking (dunno if I was doing it wrong, or if the material just hardened withage, or what...
Anyway, I chose to make my own inlets out of plywood. First I just cut some card-stock until I could fit it into the duct area, then traced the correct outline from that. (Mick supplies a template on the plans, but I found it to be slightly off, hence the card approach.)
I then cut the main section of the ducting out of 1/64" plywood, soaked it in water & ammonia, and then bent it to slip into the duct area; after a few adjustments I got it to fit the "V" section of the duct. Then I used a thicker (1/32") plywood side to fit inside the fuselage, to close the duct out into it's extended "D" section. To ensure an adequate join between the two pieces of ply, I actually manufactured some very small "L" sections of hardwood (like "angle-iron" but out of wood) and used that. Unfortunately I forgot to take photos of the parts as I was doing this, so you'll have to just use your imagination a bit.
Finally, since 1/64" plywood is kinda thin, and I've seen a few inlets buckling when power is applied, I have applied Carbon Fiber TOW around the assembly in strategic locations, and secured those to the ducts (using a syringe + gravity to run coating expoxy along the TOW). Only one of the pieces of TOW is shown in the attached photo.
Anyway, I chose to make my own inlets out of plywood. First I just cut some card-stock until I could fit it into the duct area, then traced the correct outline from that. (Mick supplies a template on the plans, but I found it to be slightly off, hence the card approach.)
I then cut the main section of the ducting out of 1/64" plywood, soaked it in water & ammonia, and then bent it to slip into the duct area; after a few adjustments I got it to fit the "V" section of the duct. Then I used a thicker (1/32") plywood side to fit inside the fuselage, to close the duct out into it's extended "D" section. To ensure an adequate join between the two pieces of ply, I actually manufactured some very small "L" sections of hardwood (like "angle-iron" but out of wood) and used that. Unfortunately I forgot to take photos of the parts as I was doing this, so you'll have to just use your imagination a bit.
Finally, since 1/64" plywood is kinda thin, and I've seen a few inlets buckling when power is applied, I have applied Carbon Fiber TOW around the assembly in strategic locations, and secured those to the ducts (using a syringe + gravity to run coating expoxy along the TOW). Only one of the pieces of TOW is shown in the attached photo.
#73
RE: Main gear doors
The main hatch needed some stiffening to keep it in the correct shape and to prevent it twisting and being able to come loose.
I made up some very-lite ply formers and a couple of stringers, and now the hatch is absolutely rigid.
I made up some very-lite ply formers and a couple of stringers, and now the hatch is absolutely rigid.
#74
RE: Main gear doors
The join of the two fuselage halves (front & rear) needed a little bot of work.
First, there were gaps (longitudinally) where the rear slid into the front but did not meet quite right. I fixed that by roughing up the joing area on the rear portion, then spraying mold release on the rear 1" or so of the front fuselage half. That mean that when I joined the two halves together, I could apply polyester putty to the gaps and know that it would fill the gaps without "gluing" the front to the back.
Next there were areas where (width-wise) the front stood proud of the rear and vice-versa. For that I simply roughed up the join area, slapped polyester putty over the join, then sanded the lot down until the parts popped apart again. The result is not perfect yet, but is fairly decent for 15 minutes work.
First, there were gaps (longitudinally) where the rear slid into the front but did not meet quite right. I fixed that by roughing up the joing area on the rear portion, then spraying mold release on the rear 1" or so of the front fuselage half. That mean that when I joined the two halves together, I could apply polyester putty to the gaps and know that it would fill the gaps without "gluing" the front to the back.
Next there were areas where (width-wise) the front stood proud of the rear and vice-versa. For that I simply roughed up the join area, slapped polyester putty over the join, then sanded the lot down until the parts popped apart again. The result is not perfect yet, but is fairly decent for 15 minutes work.
#75
Rudder
The rudder is kinda interesting. Mick's plans show that you use only ONE hinge (at the top), and then glue a servo horn into the bottom of the rudder, and push this directly onto the servo. The servo horn therefore acts as both the actuator, and the second hinge.
This may work well, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it. First off, I wasn't sure how secure it would be, but more importantly that meant that the servo would only be able to use about 45 degrees of its travel - and I like having mechanical advantage on my side. I therefore decided to change this too.
My first attempt was to simply make 3 holes in the fin TE and the rudder LE, into which I could install Robart hinges.
Problem ... given the angle at the bottom of the rudder, there was no way I could get the rudder in place whlie the hinges were sticking out. (I had this problem to a lesser extent on the flaps, but managed to work around it. In the end, I took the 3 Robart hinges and drilled the pins out of them. This allows me to install the halves in the fin and rudder as shown, then maneuver the rudder into place and push a central hine-pin wire all the way up the fin from inside the fuselage. The rudder "horn" will be mounted internally, on a tube that the hinge-pin can slide through.
This may work well, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it. First off, I wasn't sure how secure it would be, but more importantly that meant that the servo would only be able to use about 45 degrees of its travel - and I like having mechanical advantage on my side. I therefore decided to change this too.
My first attempt was to simply make 3 holes in the fin TE and the rudder LE, into which I could install Robart hinges.
Problem ... given the angle at the bottom of the rudder, there was no way I could get the rudder in place whlie the hinges were sticking out. (I had this problem to a lesser extent on the flaps, but managed to work around it. In the end, I took the 3 Robart hinges and drilled the pins out of them. This allows me to install the halves in the fin and rudder as shown, then maneuver the rudder into place and push a central hine-pin wire all the way up the fin from inside the fuselage. The rudder "horn" will be mounted internally, on a tube that the hinge-pin can slide through.