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Old 09-21-2004, 09:11 PM
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I've had this Westbury Hunter kit from Andy Sheldon of JetLine Models (www.jetlinemodels.co.uk) for a couple of years now, and I thought it was time to start building it. I thought people might be interested in it as a comparison to the larger Mick Reeves Hunter that Gordon Mc is building.

I've had it stored in the UK since I bought it as Andy said it was too long to ship to the US. I ended up paying excess baggage on American Airlines (<$100) to bring it back with me from a trip back (to my real) home. The nose suffered a little damage in transit but easily repaired.

The fuselage is 75" long, and nicely molded in epoxy glass with a lot of carbon reinforcement, especially around the wing center section. Some light panel lines are molded into the forward fuselage. The engine hatch is just cut out of the fusleage so I have to add a frame to it. The engine (putting a P-80 in it) is fully ducted and a single walled pipe is included. The flying surfaces are obechi covered white foam with carbon reinforcement. They look and feel strong.

A nice set of near-scale retracts and wheels are made by Unitracts. The brakes are pad type that push against the outside face of the wheel hub, unlike most o-ring type brake units.

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Old 09-21-2004, 09:17 PM
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More Pictures;

1) A nice set of scale moldings, including the sabrinas, speedbrake, canopy frame, parachute housing and 100 gal drop tanks (330 gal tanks also available).

2) Picture of the trial fit of the new Jet-Cat power unit. Only weighs 2lb, but with growth potential[sm=lol.gif]
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Old 09-22-2004, 11:58 PM
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I almost bought these molds a few years ago before Andy got them. Love this plane. Would love to see more as you build it. I live in N. Dallas. Let me know when you aready to fly it.

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Old 10-02-2004, 12:26 PM
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Off to a slow start, but I was never the fastet builder.

The nose gear doors were supplied as separate glass/carbon molding. I taped them into position and lined the nose door area with 2mm Rohacell foam and a layer of glass cloth. I then cut out the doors and made a lip from polyply. The doors sit on the lip perfectly flush and show no sign of flexing. I cut out an area of foam from both the door and fuselage and epoxied in a flat area of polyply so that I had a solid and flat area to mount the door hinges on.

Then I cut out the 1/4" ply formers and the mounting frame for the nose gear. This seems a good scheme as the nose gear mounting frame just bolts onto the fuselage frames, so it should be easy to replace if ever there is the need.


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Old 10-09-2004, 11:05 AM
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Worked the engine bay hatch and bypass cover.

The precut hatch was not cut our very square, so this was tidied up, which resulted in large gaps with the fuselage. Polyply was used to line the inside of the fuselage and the gaps built up using aeropoxy, and parcel tape as a release agent. I ended up with a fulsh fitting hatch with a very fine gap between the hatch and the fuselage. One small area over the spine remains to be filled the same way.

I then filled in the gap between the bypass and the fusleage with 1/8" ply acording to the instructions. This really stiffened up the whole area. Two pull-through strings were run the length of the fuselage so that the servo wires could be later run down to the tail, as access later through the centre fuselage would be very restricted.

Trimmed the separately molded bypass cover. I still haven't figured out how to hold down the bypass cover, or the rear edge of the hatch, as the clearance between the bypass and the hatch is minimal. I plan on using 2 BVM hatch catches on the front edge of the hatch where more depth is available.

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Old 10-11-2004, 10:37 PM
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Next on the list was adding the Sabrinas and tidying up the intakes. The Sabrinas make a nice addition (I think additional lumps and bumps add a lot of character to a model) and as a side benefit allow the fuselage to sit perfectly level of the workbench without the need for a jig.

The intake ducting was pre-installed, but the intakes were only roughly cut out. Spent a couple of hours with a Dremel and Permagrit trying to blend everything in. Unfortunately, the joint between the forward fuselage and the duct ended up being cut through. This was fixed by lining the whole area inside the fuselage with fairly heavy glass cloth and then filling the outer surface with thickened epoxy and then cut back to a smooth finish. I’ll do some final profiling of the intakes later.

I then trimmed the canopy opening, and lined the lip with an 1/8” ply flange. This stiffens up the whole area and will give a good boundary for the cockpit tub and canopy to sit on. I think I’ll go for a partial cockpit rather than a full depth one.


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Old 10-17-2004, 10:02 AM
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Have been working some scale details. I have added the distinctive gun fairing cut-outs in the lower fuselage. I made my own fiberglass tubes of the correct diameter, molded around some brass tubes. After cutting them to approximate shape and closing off the back end with a piece of polyply, I cut the openings in the fuselage and glassed them in. Once dry, attacked them with Permagrit and fairly easily ended up with a very neat set of gun barrel openings. I also added the gun camera opening on top of the fuselage using the same method.

I then turned to the cockpit tub. After deciding to go with a partial depth tub, I scratched my head and sketched out a few ideas. Mostly made from 1/16th ply and 1½” deep I should be able to dress this up reasonably well. The width is 3” and I was hoping to use one of the Blue-box pilot figures. Does anyone have an ‘across the shoulders’ measurement for one of the figures. I know they are 1/6th scale and the Hunter is 1/7th, but I don’t know how much I’d have to modify one to fit.

I’ve carved out a plug for one of the fuel tanks. This will sit in the lower fuselage and could hold up to about 95oz of fuel. I plan to wrap in parcel tape and mold a Kevlar tank from it. There is room to fit two of these tanks plus a cylindrical tank for a total of about 140oz maximum. I’ve yet to work out the c.g. impacts of this much fuel so that may limit the total capacity.

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Old 10-31-2004, 03:18 PM
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I found a 1/48th scale 3-view on the web for the Hunter, and I enlarged it using Photoshop so that it matched exactly the model. I matched up the fuselage length, and I am using that as my reference drawings, rather than the plans supplied with the kit. Everything seems to be matching up real well between the 3-views and the kit. I can print off just the section I am working on and use the drawings as a template. I also had some full (kit) sized prints plotted.

Started working on the tailplane. It immediately became obvious that the elevators were non-scale, being much too large, and the sweep angle on the tail was too great. I eventually decided to go for a scale tails and elevator, and marked it out with the scale hidden hinges.

Rather than the internal elevator linkages, I opted for traditional external horns, so I moved the servo boxes out a little, and I’ve opted for a JR DS3301 Digital Wing Servo for each elevator half.

I sandwiched a sheet of 1/64th ply between two pieces of balsa to make the tips. I find that the ply gives a nice sharp edge, and also resists hangar rash quite well.

There seems to be a lot of cut outs in the tailplane and elevators, so to reinforce them I’ll cover these with 1.5oz glass cloth rather than the more normal .75oz.
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Old 10-31-2004, 03:20 PM
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After largely completing the taiplane and elevators, I moved on to the fin and rudder. Again, the fin was non-scale, with a chord approximately 1inch larger than scale. The bottom part of the fin molded into the fuselage also was about 1inch too long as well. I thought I would have to build a new fin, but after some head scratching, I managed to trim down the supplied foam fin to the correct scale outline. Modifying the fuselage was a bit more drastic, and I took out the Dremel and cutting disk and trimmed away the rear of the fin molding. Some Aeropoxy was used to close off the new trailing edge profile, and when dry some glass cloth and filler will be used to reprofile the area.
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Old 11-14-2004, 11:18 AM
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After completing the fin and rudder, with the exception of the servo box, I moved on to the speedbrake. I thought it would be neat to have a working speedbrake, so after a bit of sketching out some ideas, I came up with this. A 2.5” stroke air ram from Todd at Dreamworks gives about a 45degree opening. The geometry when closed caused a little trouble, as the first attempt would not fully close. After measuring clearances beneath the jet pipe, I managed to get a good closing geometry, at the expense of a small reduction in the opening angle. The complete speeedbrake and ram is removable, except for the structural cradle in the fuselage. Two polyply screws hold on the hinge fairing and retain the hinge pin.
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Old 11-14-2004, 11:20 AM
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Speedbrake installation photos.
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Old 01-02-2005, 11:19 AM
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After a month of no model activity while visiting the UK over Thanksgiving and getting ready for Christmas and having my parents over from the UK, the week between Christmas and the New Year has given me chance to get plenty of building accomplished.

It was time to start on the wings. The 4 different sets of 3-view drawings that I had, plus a 1/48th scale plastic model for reference all showed different wing geometries, particularly for the outer sections of the leading edge from the dogtooth extension. All had different sweep angles. I eventually took an air-air photograph which showed the planform, and scaled that up and corrected my full-size (model sized) 3-view drawing. The wings are very strong white foam cored with carbon top and bottom under obechi skins. I fitted the inner leading edges and profiled them and then added the outer leading edge extensions as a solid balsa block. The inboard and outboard profiles were provided on the plans and 2 sets of templates were made from 1/16th ply. These were glued onto the balsa leading edge block and carved to shape, generating a huge pile of shavings in the process. Once complete and sanded, the wings now have some washout built into them which should prevent (along with the sweep angle) any tendency to tip stall.

The tips were cut from a laminated balsa block with a layer of 1/64th ply sandwiched in between to provide a hard edge and maintain the profile.


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Old 01-02-2005, 11:22 AM
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Working from the lower surface, troughs were cut out to take the 1” aluminum tubular spars. These were lined with 1/8th ply to form boxes, and then some cross-grain balsa was profiled to fit around the tubes to spread the spar loads into the wing skins. This balsa packing was also used to set the anhedral and incidence of the wings, needless to say this has been the most tedious part of the wing so far. Two Robart incidence gauges and some blue foam jigs have been used to ensure that the two wings are set up the same. I’ve just added the epoxy to glue the spars in place.
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Old 01-02-2005, 11:27 AM
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looks great so far [8D]
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Thanks, It's a good feeling when you plug the wings on for the first time. Looking like a real airplane now. Next major milestone will be getting it to stand on it's own wheels for the first time.

Your Savex L-39 looks good. Mine is on order, and should be here in the next month or so. Autostart MW-44 also on order

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After gluing the spar tubes in place I removed the wings from the fuselage. One slid easily out, but the other put up a fight for about an hour after some of the expoxy had seeped into the fuselage spar tube, even though I waxed them first. After much cursing and cleaning up, both wings now slide easily on and off. The remainder of the cross-grain balsa was added to fill in the spar slots in the lower wing and profiled to the lower wing contour. 1/8th ply root ribs were added, followed by adding lots of filler to ensure a gapless joint between the wing and fuselage. I used the technique from a recent RCJI, where a thin plastic sheet was used as a separation surface. This worked exceptionally well, and I now have an almost invisible joint line.
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I decided to mold the landing gear doors, so using glass and carbon cloth and some 1.5mm Rohacell foam, I laid up using the fuselage and wing as the mold and a thin layer of waxed plastic as a release layer. As a first attempt again it worked surprisingly well and I ended up with contoured sheets from which to cut out the doors. I am now working on installing the main landing gear, having cut out the retract mounting boxes and the frames to support the gear mount which sets the extended and retracted angles. It looks like the gear legs are about ½” shorter than my reference scale drawing so I might have to cheat a little on the door geometry. Just as Gordon has found with his Mick Reeves Hunter, the doors give you plenty to think about and a simplified arrangement (3 doors, not 4) will probably be the best option.
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Next on the list was to install the landing gear mounting plates. The cut outs were lined with 1/8th ply, and the ¼” ply mounting plates were set on their bearers which set the angles to give the correct angle of the gear, both extended and retracted. A few attempts at getting the bearers cut correctly were needed and this was very much a game of trial and error. Once set, everything was aeropoxied in place, and the wheel-well lined with 1/8th ply. The curved section of the wheel well lining was made from laminating 4 pieces of 1/64th ply around a blue foam former – really easy and quick.

With the mounts in place, I couldn’t resist assembling the model and have it standing on its own feet for the first time.
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Old 02-11-2005, 11:27 AM
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The flaps were cut out, simplifying slightly by not extending them inboard into the fuselage, which shortened them by about 1/2”, but greatly simplified the installation. The flaps were built up entirely of thin ply, and tried to replicate the internal structure which adds a great deal of realism to them when deployed. They were hinged using Robart hinge pins, with a removable pin.
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Old 02-11-2005, 03:23 PM
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Paul I would love to pay you a visit and see this in person.

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It's looking good !
Old 02-11-2005, 09:08 PM
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Old 03-07-2005, 08:28 PM
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Excellent build thread, the Hunter is a classic

How much was this kit? I couldnt find a price on the www.jetlinemodels.co.uk site.
Old 03-07-2005, 11:41 PM
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Haldor,

Thanks for the compliment. I hadn't got many comments for a long time, probably because it isn't one of the mainstream kits, and I had thought about not updating the thread, but I eventually decided to keep it going.

As to the cost, not an easy question. I bought it back in 2001 and paid for it in US$ after I moved to the US with work. I paid $2300 for the kit and retracts. With an exchange rate at that time of about 1.4 (I did a bit of research) that works out to be about GBP1600. From memory I think it was about 800 each for the kit and retracts. I did not have to pay VAT, but I paid shipping instead.

However, after I ordered it, Andy from Jetline said it was too long to ship, so I had it delivered to my UK address, and stored it there for a few years. Last year I brought it back to the US as excess baggage for about $100.

The wings are nearly ready for skinning. I'll try to update the build at the weekend.

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Hi Paul and thanks for the reply.

I've built a couple of Hunters for smaller electric DF units and I really like the lines of that jet. Now that I'm moving onto turbines the Hunter become an option worth looking into. I hope you'll continue this thread

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