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Are prices of kits getting to high?
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RE: Are prices of kits getting to high?
Hi,
Yes.
I hoping that the new BVM F-86 would fall into a range that I can afford, since you have to build the wing and I thought it might reduce the price of the kit some, but alas, it's another $7000+ kit.
Oh well, it was nice to dream for awhile.
BRG,
Jon
Yes.
I hoping that the new BVM F-86 would fall into a range that I can afford, since you have to build the wing and I thought it might reduce the price of the kit some, but alas, it's another $7000+ kit.
Oh well, it was nice to dream for awhile.
BRG,
Jon
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RE: Are prices of kits getting to high?
Nah ... percentage-wise, how much has the price of a given jet kit increased in the last 2 years ? Now ask yourself - percentage-wise, how much has a gallon of gas increased in the last 2 years ?
If anyone is to blame for me not buying lots of new toys, it's the people whose policies shape the economy, not the people trying to make a living selling kits.
Gordon
If anyone is to blame for me not buying lots of new toys, it's the people whose policies shape the economy, not the people trying to make a living selling kits.
Gordon
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I have tried to get a estimated prize for the F-16 and Mirage 2000 from Skymaster.
But no reply on the prize, only the kit itselves.
But can someone dare to suggest the level for these two?
F-16 included scale gear, wich was claimed to be cheaper then the Matrix. Same with the Mirage,- with gear.
But I agree, the level is way too high on several manufacturers.
I hope the Skymaster can remain a serious quality manufacturer at low cost, as this will force the rest to think twice.
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But no reply on the prize, only the kit itselves.
But can someone dare to suggest the level for these two?
F-16 included scale gear, wich was claimed to be cheaper then the Matrix. Same with the Mirage,- with gear.
But I agree, the level is way too high on several manufacturers.
I hope the Skymaster can remain a serious quality manufacturer at low cost, as this will force the rest to think twice.
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Gudmund
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RE: Are prices of kits getting to high?
I'm wondering how BVM can keep selling high end kit ($$$), with competitor like C-ARF or Skymaster. They should hurt him a lot by now...When only 2-3 decent buisness will survive, the price will be higher...
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The Skymaster came because of the need for it. Once (and if) they too will find them selves in the upper prizelevel, there will come another newcomers instead.
Hopefully they know that.
Gudmund
Hopefully they know that.
Gudmund
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I'm wondering how BVM can keep selling high end kit ($$$), with competitor like C-ARF or Skymaster. They should hurt him a lot by now...When only 2-3 decent buisness will survive, the price will be higher...
I'm wondering how BVM can keep selling high end kit ($$$), with competitor like C-ARF or Skymaster. They should hurt him a lot by now...When only 2-3 decent buisness will survive, the price will be higher...
I truly hope that skymaster comes out with a large sport jet to compete with the kingcat or a smaller one to compete with the bobcat. Maybe if they took a share of that market then that would make them stand up and take notice.
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just my .000002 worth.
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RE: Are prices of kits getting to high?
He continues to sell because of reputation and product development. There is no doubt he makes a great looking and flying aircraft. I would love to have one, but either his prices have to come down or I need a major pay raise before that will happen. BVM is on the high end, but Skymaster is trying to give the best of both worlds, great kit at a great price.
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RE: Are prices of kits getting to high?
I had hoped that the new composite Bobcat was going to compete price wise with skymaster but what a shock when i saw the price! I was really looking forward to putting one together this winter but just can't justify the price. There is too much other stuff out there to pay that kind of money, especially when it really isn't a whole lot cheaper than the kingcat. Just bummed cause i can't afford one i guess! I agree, i hope skymaster can come up with a nice sport jet for a reasonable price, i like their airplanes and their prices!!
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RE: Are prices of kits getting to high?
On the other hand, look how many kits Skymaster has to sell vs BVM to be profitable. With BVM, your buying the name and quality that comes from BV putting his name behind the product.
If someone was to offer you a BVM or Skymaster kit, which one would you take? I won't post the answer because I think we all know what we would take. That is why the price difference is such.
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If someone was to offer you a BVM or Skymaster kit, which one would you take? I won't post the answer because I think we all know what we would take. That is why the price difference is such.
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RE: Are prices of kits getting to high?
Simple supply and demand as far as pricing goes. Comparing ARF's is simply personal preference. If you want to build, your choices are becoming limited.
The good news is, if you want BVM and money is tight, the "used" market is decent. Most people who own BVM stuff take the time to build it properly.
More good news is the Skymaster kits, although scale, make excellent sport jets.
All in all, this is a great time in history for model jets.
Mark M.
The good news is, if you want BVM and money is tight, the "used" market is decent. Most people who own BVM stuff take the time to build it properly.
More good news is the Skymaster kits, although scale, make excellent sport jets.
All in all, this is a great time in history for model jets.
Mark M.
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On the other hand, look how many kits Skymaster has to sell vs BVM to be profitable. With BVM, your buying the name and quality that comes from BV putting his name behind the product.
If someone was to offer you a BVM or Skymaster kit, which one would you take? I won't post the answer because I think we all know what we would take. That is why the price difference is such.
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On the other hand, look how many kits Skymaster has to sell vs BVM to be profitable. With BVM, your buying the name and quality that comes from BV putting his name behind the product.
If someone was to offer you a BVM or Skymaster kit, which one would you take? I won't post the answer because I think we all know what we would take. That is why the price difference is such.
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RE: Are prices of kits getting to high?
I thought the original post asked “Has the ever rising cost of jet kits priced you out of getting a new kit for this winter to build?â€
How did it all of a sudden deteriorate to BVM this and BVM that?
You guys are here making much ado over nothing while the man is GTBLHAS (Going To the Bank Laughing His ***** Off)
How did it all of a sudden deteriorate to BVM this and BVM that?
You guys are here making much ado over nothing while the man is GTBLHAS (Going To the Bank Laughing His ***** Off)
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ORIGINAL: ghost_rider
I thought the original post asked “Has the ever rising cost of jet kits priced you out of getting a new kit for this winter to build?â€
How did it all of a sudden deteriorate to BVM this and BVM that?
You guys are here making much ado over nothing while the man is GTBLHAS (Going To the Bank Laughing His ***** Off)
I thought the original post asked “Has the ever rising cost of jet kits priced you out of getting a new kit for this winter to build?â€
How did it all of a sudden deteriorate to BVM this and BVM that?
You guys are here making much ado over nothing while the man is GTBLHAS (Going To the Bank Laughing His ***** Off)
To put it simply, BV is the standard at which all other jet models are judged. Plain and simple. When you talk about prices/quality of kits. Everyone judges every other manufacturer by BV standards. He is the bar and I agree, he is going to the bank laughing his ass off.
Patrick.
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RE: Are prices of kits getting to high?
ORIGINAL: sirrom
Ghostrider,
To put it simply, BV is the standard at which all other jet models are judged. Plain and simple. When you talk about prices/quality of kits. Everyone judges every other manufacturer by BV standards. He is the bar and I agree, he is going to the bank laughing his ass off.
Patrick.
Ghostrider,
To put it simply, BV is the standard at which all other jet models are judged. Plain and simple. When you talk about prices/quality of kits. Everyone judges every other manufacturer by BV standards. He is the bar and I agree, he is going to the bank laughing his ass off.
Patrick.
I understand what you are trying to explain but doing so is like judging the price of YUGO with that of H2. If you want to drive a YUGO….go for it but if you want to drive H2, then get ready to pay $$$,$$$.$$$. JMOHO
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RE: Are prices of kits getting to high?
ORIGINAL: Crazy4Flight
comp-arf discontinued the Kangaroo at 444.00
lets see what BV will sell the BOBcomp-arfCAT for...
comp-arf discontinued the Kangaroo at 444.00
lets see what BV will sell the BOBcomp-arfCAT for...
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RE: Are prices of kits getting to high?
This is moderately priced?
Pricing :
A BobCat Composite includes the following:
ARF all composite airframe with flex hinged control surfaces.
All hardware and control linkages.
Radio component installation mountings for servos, receiver, batteries, etc. - modeler supplies the screws.
The BobCat undercarraige including (3) retract units, struts, wheels/brakes, air selector valve, T-fittings, H.D. air tubing, air storage tanks, air micro switch brake valve and hardware for mounting.
BobCat fuel tank system includes: 2 Kevlar tanks and hardware (assembly with Aeropoxy required), (1) Sullivan BT 16oz tank with BVM aluminum cap system, (1) U.A.T., T-fittings, overflow fitting and fuel tubing. Capacity = 2.5 Liters.
Plain white model - $3,195.00 Painted-in-the-mold - $3,695.00
BobCat Composite - Airframe only pricing -
Plain white model - $1,995.00 Painted-in-the-mold - $2,495.00
A BobCat Composite includes the following:
ARF all composite airframe with flex hinged control surfaces.
All hardware and control linkages.
Radio component installation mountings for servos, receiver, batteries, etc. - modeler supplies the screws.
The BobCat undercarraige including (3) retract units, struts, wheels/brakes, air selector valve, T-fittings, H.D. air tubing, air storage tanks, air micro switch brake valve and hardware for mounting.
BobCat fuel tank system includes: 2 Kevlar tanks and hardware (assembly with Aeropoxy required), (1) Sullivan BT 16oz tank with BVM aluminum cap system, (1) U.A.T., T-fittings, overflow fitting and fuel tubing. Capacity = 2.5 Liters.
Plain white model - $3,195.00 Painted-in-the-mold - $3,695.00
BobCat Composite - Airframe only pricing -
Plain white model - $1,995.00 Painted-in-the-mold - $2,495.00
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RE: Are prices of kits getting to high?
Absolutly not Gary.....! I do believe you will see some in the future coming from BVM.... My guess is Bob will need to in order to compete with companies like Skymaster. Personally, I dont believe Bob makes a "Fortune" off his kits (made in USA). I'd venture to guess his profit margin not much larger than Skymasters!
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RE: Are prices of kits getting to high?
To answer the original question, no.
The price of the modern day ARF is much less than the price kit's were just a few years ago. Obviously you must compare like companies. Add to that most of the construction and painting is done for you and these prices are really low (unless your time isn't worth much to you).
The problem with these ARF's is you spend the entire purchase price all at once. Many modelers used to buy bits and pieces so they never really paid much attention to the final price.
Mark
The price of the modern day ARF is much less than the price kit's were just a few years ago. Obviously you must compare like companies. Add to that most of the construction and painting is done for you and these prices are really low (unless your time isn't worth much to you).
The problem with these ARF's is you spend the entire purchase price all at once. Many modelers used to buy bits and pieces so they never really paid much attention to the final price.
Mark
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RE: Are prices of kits getting to high?
I don't think the price's are that high with most manufactures with what you get. I just think that the price is what the market will bear and if enough guys stop buying the price won't go down the business's that make the kits that are expensive for what you get or unpopular will go away. I had to cancel my BVM 80"sabre today and not go to Superman this year because of the wife losing her job two weeks ago and we need 7k more for house money than toy's right now since I have 2 ready to fly jets and over a dozen kits to build. I think that all BVM products are a good value since I don't have to do any engineering when I get one, I have had several other companies kits where the time wasted making systems work far outweighs the difference in $.