Andy Scholl

Super Arbeit Thomas! Kann Peter dann direkt als englische Bauanleitung verwenden! Wir sehen uns!


Hier ein Bild meiner SU27...

Andreas

specialFX

Hi!
Harald, THX alot for your help! I´ll meet Kurt this WE to discuss some details. I´m following your project almost since the beginning, I´ve never seen something comparable, absolutely outstanding and AWESOME!! Pure craftmanship and absolute dedication, good luck for the upcoming stage!

Andy, yeahhh, we´ll meet soon with some serious SU-activity contaminating austrian airspace! Hoffe, Peter findet den Thread auch gut, owa wos is des is, wos wiegt des hots, wia ma so sche sogt. THX for the compliments;-)

Greetings from sunny Austria
Thomas

specialFX

Hi girls;-)!

This evening I checked the ground position of the model to make sure, the gear mounts will be at their correct positions. On the pics you see the printouts of my references to assure a good attitude relative to the ground. After all, it was a non issue, first try, perfect fit!
The only thing I´m a bit unhappy with are my wheel diameters. I ordered 90mm for the mains and 70mm for the nosewheel as stated in the manuals. After fitting the gears I saw that 100mm and 80mm would also fit without any problems[], at least with my Behotc retracts. Scale diameters would be 110mm/80mm. As I will fly most of the time from grass, the bigger the better. Mayby I´ll retrofit bigger wheels later on, but jet wheels are kind of expensive stuff to just lie around and take some dust[:'(].

Thomas

Carbon-Customs

Looks good, does the mains stick out?
And wouldent it be worse if you has 100mm mains

specialFX

CC, for shure, the mains are visible in retracted position. But it´s the same as with the turbine, barely to recongnize in flight (look at Andys flightshot!). I think 5mm more radius wouldn´t make any difference for that but would greatly enhance the overall appearence with the gears down. The big wheels of the original plane are very characteristic.
If you state "worse" you imply it looks bad;-). Don´t forget it´s no scale project, it is a trainer with the appearance of the Flanker and should have a simple setup, no fiddly diddly at all. And I don´t see any simple and commercially availible solution for the SU-27(30/32/33/35..) main gear setup.

Greetings
Thomas

specialFX

Hi Friends!

After some pause because of my flooded hobby room and too much work for a living (but at least that produces the bucks to buy some nice toys) I continued with mounting my retracts into the fuselage. For that who are still intersted[sm=confused.gif] some details are following.
The main gear mounting plates came predrilled and preshaped with the kit. They are angeled to ensure the correct position of the retracted gear. I had to close the lower blind nuts for the upper screws with tape to prevent the resin from running into the threads. The lower mounting screws for the nylon gear mounts were marked to the main former and drilled through. Blind nuts are put into the former. The wooden plates were then glued to the main former with thickened slow epoxy, correct alignment corresponding to the wing tube was checked and then the lower screws tightened and a clamp positioned.
On the third pic she´s standing on her own feet for the first time, some kind of emotional moment, at least for me!

The last two pics show the stringers that form the gear compartment. It´s lite ply as I ran out of nomex-sandwhich material and wanted to continue cos I´m far behind schedule. This compartments further stiffen the fuselage and give great rigidity. Besides that, no debris can get into the fuselage through the wheel bays. A good solution again. The kit isn´t that high tech as some others but Peters design shows great experience and some really clever solutions in the completed model. It makes the Sport SU a very durable and easy to operate trainer with exceptional flying characteristics.
Sorry folks, forgot to take some detail pics of the nosegear installation, but as there is some nosewheel door-stuff to work on you will see this area later - maybe more than you like[sm=sleeping.gif]

Bob.R

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It is good to see you back at work after the unfortunate flood. Please keep the pics coming.

Lownverted

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Hi SpecialFX

I'm very interested in how your project is going. Did you finish it? Is it for sale? Can you direct me to a site with color schemes?

Thanks
Red

Flying Arrow

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That is it?

pdrlele

Hi !!

Is very difficult for me to read anything because my english is not so good.....

Anyway I Think that you're doing a very very good job.

I enclose the pic of My SU-27 built from Liebetrau kit, like your !!

pdrlele

Other Pic...

Heatseeker_Hill

unfortunalty the underslung engine really spoils it for me .

rhklenke

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Really? With the engine cover, you can't see it in flight. If that's a problem, do it as a twin. It can be powered by two Ramtech DF's, so two Bees or P-60's should fit...

Bob

SAP_2000

I would love to see a Liebetrau SU 27 ARF.....[8D]

specialFX

Hi folks!

Due to personal circumstances I´ve no working room right now, therefore the project is currently on halt. I hope to be able to finish the plane during this winter and fly it in the next season.

@pdrlele: I´ve seen your SU in RCJI in the Vilesse report. Very nice plane, a very ambitious project. Congrats. Maybe we´ll meet in Vilesse next year as I plan to be there!
@Heatseeker_Hill: like Bob said, the turbine is almost invisible during flight, no spoil at all. At least for me and many others that have seen this plane in live action. Even without cover, as flown by Andy Scholl, the engine is hardly to be recognized in flight.
If it´s too bad for you, build it as a twin with two 54´s and have big fun.

I´ll keep you guys informed via this thread when the build continues.

regards
Thomas

icepilot

Thomas,
I fly the small Grumania SU27 and just love the plane!
A bigger one would propably fly even better! Do you think I could put a Simjet 3000 in the Liebetrau SU27, or would that be too much!??

Heatseeker Hill: The small SU27 also has the turbine between the nacelles, and I have been trying to see it during flight - it just doesn't show at all - she just looks great!

Tor/Norway

specialFX

Tor, I think the Simjet pushes about 135N, that should be no problem. Andy Sholl uses a P-120, I plan to use a Frank TJ-74KS with 145N, my buddy Kurt flew it with a Frank TJ-70/16 with 165N. That is kind of overkill, but with good throttle management no prob at all. Just fly it in a smooth and scale like manner, like a plane like this should operated to get the most fun out of it;-)! And for some High-Alpha-Manouvering, a bit of extra OOOMMPHHH is a nice thing to have!
I´m aware of your thread about the Grumania Flanker, very nice, indeed!

Regards
Thomas

harald huf

hi Thomas,

to bad to hear that you cannot go on with your work...
sent you an email.
best regards,
Harald Huf

pdrlele

Hi Thomas !!

Thank a lot for your compliment.
Villesse Fan Meeting is one of the best Jet event in Italy.
If you come please let me know, so we can meet !!!


I hope !!

Regards.

GAbriele

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Gabriele

Is your SU-27 the one with the 2 p-80's ? I see you went with flaps . What landing gear are you using? Very nice job !!

Marc

pdrlele

Hallo 747drvr !!

Thank you !!

Yes, I use 2 JetCAT P80 and the power is ok !! Come with flaps help during the landing and take off procedure.
I use personal HIDRAULIC landing gear, because I didn't found anything on the market that fit it !!

All the wing, tha tail and middle fuselage is covered with allumininium.

Ciao.

GAbriele

747drvr

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Amazing ! More pictures please !

I'm now in the process of working out details for the purchase of my own SU-27 !

Marc

pdrlele

Ok , more pictures !!

This is in the day of maiden flight, before painting job.

pdrlele

... another...

Access door.

747drvr

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Again , very nice . Mine won't be as detailed or as powerful ! I can't find your paint scheme in any pictures . I'm thinking of this paint scheme . Not as colourful as some but still very interesting and relatively easy to do.

Marc