My New GWM Mig-21
12-19-2005, 01:10 PM
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ORIGINAL: John Christensen
Thanks for posting the links ET. Just the page I was looking for.
Here is another nice one:
ORIGINAL: EASYTIGER
Here are some indian ones:
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Im...t/MiG-21f.html
And here is the gold mine:
http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww3/f/14
Three hundred and forty three different mig 21 schemes all on one page, from Albania to Zaire.
Here are some indian ones:
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Im...t/MiG-21f.html
And here is the gold mine:
http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww3/f/14
Three hundred and forty three different mig 21 schemes all on one page, from Albania to Zaire.
Thanks for posting the links ET. Just the page I was looking for.
Here is another nice one:
12-19-2005, 01:28 PM
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RE: My New GWM Mig-21
Easytiger,
Israeli "propaganda" Well you probably WHERE there, I mean 1973 .The F-4 in the picture was shot down by the new SA-6 anti aircraft missile that went into service then and the west had no technical answer to jam it . The pilot was known to me and Mr. Tyger I would check my stories for facts before I go public!!! A. WE NEVER LOST A PLANE IN A DOG FIGHT AND THAT IS A FACT PERIOD..!!!! GO AND TALK TO THE GUYS WHO WE FLY WITH AT THE RED FLAG EXERCISES!!
U CAN TAKE MY WORDS TO THE BANK MR.KNOW IT ALL.
Israeli "propaganda" Well you probably WHERE there, I mean 1973 .The F-4 in the picture was shot down by the new SA-6 anti aircraft missile that went into service then and the west had no technical answer to jam it . The pilot was known to me and Mr. Tyger I would check my stories for facts before I go public!!! A. WE NEVER LOST A PLANE IN A DOG FIGHT AND THAT IS A FACT PERIOD..!!!! GO AND TALK TO THE GUYS WHO WE FLY WITH AT THE RED FLAG EXERCISES!!
U CAN TAKE MY WORDS TO THE BANK MR.KNOW IT ALL.
12-19-2005, 01:42 PM
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RE: My New GWM Mig-21
About the Mig,
It has a very high ROC but it is hard to manuver at high speed the hydraulic system is not helping much ,the stick is very heavy ,visibility is poor due to a low sitting position in the cockpit specialy when u wear the Russian presurized flight helmet and suit The human ergronomics of the design of the cockpit is poor compared to western fighters where all critical instrumentation is in one group and can be checked with one glance so u can concentrate on target and weapon systems.
It has a very high ROC but it is hard to manuver at high speed the hydraulic system is not helping much ,the stick is very heavy ,visibility is poor due to a low sitting position in the cockpit specialy when u wear the Russian presurized flight helmet and suit The human ergronomics of the design of the cockpit is poor compared to western fighters where all critical instrumentation is in one group and can be checked with one glance so u can concentrate on target and weapon systems.
12-19-2005, 01:53 PM
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RE: My New GWM Mig-21
ORIGINAL: lavi rider
Easytiger,
Israeli "propaganda" Well you probably WHERE there, I mean 1973 .The F-4 in the picture was shot down by the new SA-6 anti aircraft missile that went into service then and the west had no technical answer to jam it . The pilot was known to me and Mr. Tyger I would check my stories for facts before I go public!!! A. WE NEVER LOST A PLANE IN A DOG FIGHT AND THAT IS A FACT PERIOD..!!!! GO AND TALK TO THE GUYS WHO WE FLY WITH AT THE RED FLAG EXERCISES!!
U CAN TAKE MY WORDS TO THE BANK MR.KNOW IT ALL.
Easytiger,
Israeli "propaganda" Well you probably WHERE there, I mean 1973 .The F-4 in the picture was shot down by the new SA-6 anti aircraft missile that went into service then and the west had no technical answer to jam it . The pilot was known to me and Mr. Tyger I would check my stories for facts before I go public!!! A. WE NEVER LOST A PLANE IN A DOG FIGHT AND THAT IS A FACT PERIOD..!!!! GO AND TALK TO THE GUYS WHO WE FLY WITH AT THE RED FLAG EXERCISES!!
U CAN TAKE MY WORDS TO THE BANK MR.KNOW IT ALL.
At any rate, back to the Mig-21...which has shot down a lot of aircraft...
12-19-2005, 01:56 PM
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Oh, one more thing regarding" me not being so full of myself if we flew against Russian pilots" Well between 1956 -1967 we had severall encounters with Russian driven Mig-21's who came to Egypt to train their Air Force pilots,
we shot down several planes (in one encounter a group of 4 Mirage CIII shot down 4 out of 8 mig-21's who were piloted by expert Russian pilots who took off for an "easy kill" against us).
we shot down several planes (in one encounter a group of 4 Mirage CIII shot down 4 out of 8 mig-21's who were piloted by expert Russian pilots who took off for an "easy kill" against us).
12-19-2005, 02:01 PM
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RE: My New GWM Mig-21
ORIGINAL: lavi rider
Hi John,
It's the markings of the Hungarian Air Force u where there at the base the markings where on their migs.Just diffrent colour.
Hi John,
It's the markings of the Hungarian Air Force u where there at the base the markings where on their migs.Just diffrent colour.
I knew it was Hungarian, I was just wondering what exactly the yellowish base color would be in "real" life. Drawings like this typically get the colors wrong. Anyone know what the Humbrol paint code would translate to?
12-19-2005, 02:03 PM
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ORIGINAL: lavi rider
Oh, one more thing regarding" me not being so full of myself if we flew against Russian pilots" Well between 1956 -1967 we had severall encounters with Russian driven Mig-21's who came to Egypt to train their Air Force pilots,
we shot down several planes (in one encounter a group of 4 Mirage CIII shot down 4 out of 8 mig-21's who were piloted by expert Russian pilots who took off for an "easy kill" against us).
Oh, one more thing regarding" me not being so full of myself if we flew against Russian pilots" Well between 1956 -1967 we had severall encounters with Russian driven Mig-21's who came to Egypt to train their Air Force pilots,
we shot down several planes (in one encounter a group of 4 Mirage CIII shot down 4 out of 8 mig-21's who were piloted by expert Russian pilots who took off for an "easy kill" against us).
On the other hand, quite a few Pakistani pilots seconded to Arab air forces did...
12-19-2005, 02:06 PM
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I've checked it, If u talk about the f-4 that was hit by A mig in the left engine and made it back to Sharem el Sheich While it was on a reconocense mision ..... Well .... that is not a kill and defenately not a dog fight. So pleeeease......
12-19-2005, 02:24 PM
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Shot down IAF aircraft in air-to-air combat.
Look...you can brag all you want, but the fact is you are wrong, and the IAF, like pretty much ALL other air forces, exaggerates their kills and hides their losses. They just do it much BETTER than most other air forces.
Fact is, they pretty much ALWAYS claim that EVERY air-to-air combat loss was a SAM or AAA. Does not make it true. And the fact is that even the IAF official website admits many air-to-air losses against the Arab air forces...kind of blows your "NEVER lost an aircraft in air to air combat" statement to pieces.
There is an awful lot of mythology to air combat...
For instance...there WAS no "Col. Tomb" in the North Vietmamese Air Force. He was a myth.
Look...you can brag all you want, but the fact is you are wrong, and the IAF, like pretty much ALL other air forces, exaggerates their kills and hides their losses. They just do it much BETTER than most other air forces.
Fact is, they pretty much ALWAYS claim that EVERY air-to-air combat loss was a SAM or AAA. Does not make it true. And the fact is that even the IAF official website admits many air-to-air losses against the Arab air forces...kind of blows your "NEVER lost an aircraft in air to air combat" statement to pieces.
There is an awful lot of mythology to air combat...
For instance...there WAS no "Col. Tomb" in the North Vietmamese Air Force. He was a myth.
12-19-2005, 02:33 PM
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ORIGINAL: EASYTIGER
For instance...there WAS no "Col. Tomb" in the North Vietmamese Air Force. He was a myth.
For instance...there WAS no "Col. Tomb" in the North Vietmamese Air Force. He was a myth.
Please don't let Adil paint that Mig in anything other than a scale military paint scheme, no bright show team colors please.
BTW Adil, that is a very nice looking bird, and I secod that the Russian aircraft are awesome, I wish there were more of them available.
Tommy
12-19-2005, 02:38 PM
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RE: My New GWM Mig-21
Hello,
this my first post in the rc-universe
I`m just build up also a MIG 21 from german factory BZM.
I would like to coulor it in the IAI version an I need more pictures.
Who had some?
Christian
this my first post in the rc-universe
I`m just build up also a MIG 21 from german factory BZM.
I would like to coulor it in the IAI version an I need more pictures.
Who had some?
Christian
12-19-2005, 02:43 PM
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I'm sorry sir BUT U WHO is WRONG To bad u can't read hebrew But one day if u'll be here I'll be more than happy to host u and let u meet some people and let u lurn some facts.the Iaf doesn't state the fights where planes where lost and what kind but I'll give u an example.During the 1940 a Primus plane (similar to piper cub) was shot down by no other than two Spifires after fuling them for 15min!! Well that's not quite a dog fight knowing the pilot and navigator had only pistols!!
Over and out!!
Over and out!!
12-19-2005, 02:49 PM
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RE: My New GWM Mig-21
ORIGINAL: DocYates
Can't be ET, I saw last night on the history Channel where Duke Cunnigham shot him down in the "Ace in a Day" episode. You don't expect me to not believe the History Channel, do you????......
Please don't let Adil paint that Mig in anything other than a scale military paint scheme, no bright show team colors please.
BTW Adil, that is a very nice looking bird, and I secod that the Russian aircraft are awesome, I wish there were more of them available.
Tommy
ORIGINAL: EASYTIGER
For instance...there WAS no "Col. Tomb" in the North Vietmamese Air Force. He was a myth.
For instance...there WAS no "Col. Tomb" in the North Vietmamese Air Force. He was a myth.
Please don't let Adil paint that Mig in anything other than a scale military paint scheme, no bright show team colors please.
BTW Adil, that is a very nice looking bird, and I secod that the Russian aircraft are awesome, I wish there were more of them available.
Tommy
Sad, though. Cunningham is going to jail, having taken several million dollars in bribes from defense contractors. Especially sad if you had ever heard the guy speechify about "truth and integrity and the American Way..."
Just sad...especially because he really did not have to, he had his choice of cushy billets with any number of defense contractors if he wanted to.
12-19-2005, 02:56 PM
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ORIGINAL: lavi rider
I'm sorry sir BUT U WHO is WRONG To bad u can't read hebrew But one day if u'll be here I'll be more than happy to host u and let u meet some people and let u lurn some facts.the Iaf doesn't state the fights where planes where lost and what kind but I'll give u an example.During the 1940 a Primus plane (similar to piper cub) was shot down by no other than two Spifires after fuling them for 15min!! Well that's not quite a dog fight knowing the pilot and navigator had only pistols!!
Over and out!!
I'm sorry sir BUT U WHO is WRONG To bad u can't read hebrew But one day if u'll be here I'll be more than happy to host u and let u meet some people and let u lurn some facts.the Iaf doesn't state the fights where planes where lost and what kind but I'll give u an example.During the 1940 a Primus plane (similar to piper cub) was shot down by no other than two Spifires after fuling them for 15min!! Well that's not quite a dog fight knowing the pilot and navigator had only pistols!!
Over and out!!
Sometime I need to tell you about the Israeli guy who insisted on trying to add water to the maintainance-free sealed truck battery. Kept telling him that this was a DIFFERENT type of battery that you CANNOT add water to, and he just kept insisting "I was in the Israeli Army, I know what I am talking about!" Not a thing would change his mind.
Anyway...back to the Mig-21....
12-19-2005, 03:11 PM
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ORIGINAL: lavi rider
Well ....I on the other hand saw unfortunately meny people who can take two examples and make an all population character judgement statement of a nation .
Well ....I on the other hand saw unfortunately meny people who can take two examples and make an all population character judgement statement of a nation .
Sounds like getting dangerously into politics, though, a no-no here on RCU, so I will have to recuse myself from further comment in that direction.
12-19-2005, 03:16 PM
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RE: My New GWM Mig-21
ORIGINAL: ceffi
Hello,
this my first post in the rc-universe
I`m just build up also a MIG 21 from german factory BZM.
I would like to coulor it in the IAI version an I need more pictures.
Who had some?
Christian
Hello,
this my first post in the rc-universe
I`m just build up also a MIG 21 from german factory BZM.
I would like to coulor it in the IAI version an I need more pictures.
Who had some?
Christian
12-19-2005, 03:23 PM
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Copied from the IAF (Israeli Air Force official web site) -Now, lets tune back to Adils Mig 21 and find a paint scheme for him [&:]
687 enemy airplanes have been shot down in dogfights since Israel`s birth. Only 23 Israeli planes have been shot down by enemy planes since 1948 - a statistic which puts the dogfight victory ratio between Israel and its Arab neighbors at a whopping 30:1.
18 enemy planes were shot down in dogfights in the 1948 War of Independence. A single Israeli plane may have been shot down in a dogfight over the Galilee, but the exact circumstances of its demise were never established in certainty.
Seven enemy planes were shot down in the course of the Sinai Campaign, without a single Israeli plane being shot down.
In the Six Day War, 60 enemy planes and 12 IAF planes were shot down.
The War of Attrition saw 111 enemy planes and four Israeli planes shot down.
277 enemy planes were shot down in the Yom Kippur War - accounting for over a third of the IAF`s total kills since 1948. Of the planes lost by the IAF in the war, only five were shot down in dogfights.
88 enemy planes were shot down in the Peace for Galilee Campaign. Not one Israeli plane was shot down in a dogfight.
126 enemy planes were shot down in dogfights in the years between the wars - most of them in the 70`s.
The IAF lost only two planes in dogfights between the wars, in 1959 and in 1964
687 enemy airplanes have been shot down in dogfights since Israel`s birth. Only 23 Israeli planes have been shot down by enemy planes since 1948 - a statistic which puts the dogfight victory ratio between Israel and its Arab neighbors at a whopping 30:1.
18 enemy planes were shot down in dogfights in the 1948 War of Independence. A single Israeli plane may have been shot down in a dogfight over the Galilee, but the exact circumstances of its demise were never established in certainty.
Seven enemy planes were shot down in the course of the Sinai Campaign, without a single Israeli plane being shot down.
In the Six Day War, 60 enemy planes and 12 IAF planes were shot down.
The War of Attrition saw 111 enemy planes and four Israeli planes shot down.
277 enemy planes were shot down in the Yom Kippur War - accounting for over a third of the IAF`s total kills since 1948. Of the planes lost by the IAF in the war, only five were shot down in dogfights.
88 enemy planes were shot down in the Peace for Galilee Campaign. Not one Israeli plane was shot down in a dogfight.
126 enemy planes were shot down in dogfights in the years between the wars - most of them in the 70`s.
The IAF lost only two planes in dogfights between the wars, in 1959 and in 1964
12-19-2005, 03:46 PM
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RE: My New GWM Mig-21
Look here,
http://www.bzmbau.de/
the kits are for model builder not ARF and have good prices.
I flew the Macchini
and start now the MIG 21 in the sport version.
http://www.bzmbau.de/
the kits are for model builder not ARF and have good prices.
I flew the Macchini
and start now the MIG 21 in the sport version.
