Crash today at Florida Jets.
03-08-2015, 11:51 AM
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Agree. And one of the opportunities to sue for negligence despite hold harmless/release of liability is when the event knew or should have known that a dangerous crash was likely. I find it interesting that a number of CDs and event organizers are on record here saying that accidents just happen (or words to that effect). Those kind of comments are red meat for an injury lawyer. I would not want to be hosting an event, where very scary crashes have happened in the past (and there's video of them), and be on record making comments saying they weren't preventable, that they "just happen", or other dismissive comments. Any decent lawyer will salivate when they find those.
03-08-2015, 11:55 AM
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Agree. And one of the opportunities to sue for negligence despite hold harmless/release of liability is when the event knew or should have known that a dangerous crash was likely. I find it interesting that a number of CDs and event organizers are on record here saying that accidents just happen (or words to that effect). Those kind of comments are red meat for an injury lawyer. I would not want to be hosting an event, where very scary crashes have happened in the past (and there's video of them), and be on record making comments saying they weren't preventable, that they "just happen", or other dismissive comments. Any decent lawyer will salivate when they find those.
03-08-2015, 11:58 AM
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03-08-2015, 11:59 AM
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Nope.
I will continue to express concern about some of the activities at these events. With crashes and injuries becoming more public, at a time when the public is rightfully concerned about sUAS, it won't take many more events before we'll face additional regulation. If nothing else, rising insurance costs could have an equally chilling effect. I'm an advocate for us changing the way we do business before more draconian changes are forced upon us.
I will continue to express concern about some of the activities at these events. With crashes and injuries becoming more public, at a time when the public is rightfully concerned about sUAS, it won't take many more events before we'll face additional regulation. If nothing else, rising insurance costs could have an equally chilling effect. I'm an advocate for us changing the way we do business before more draconian changes are forced upon us.
03-08-2015, 12:03 PM
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Nope.
I will continue to express concern about some of the activities at these events. With crashes and injuries becoming more public, at a time when the public is rightfully concerned about sUAS, it won't take many more events before we'll face additional regulation. If nothing else, rising insurance costs could have an equally chilling effect. I'm an advocate for us changing the way we do business before more draconian changes are forced upon us.
I will continue to express concern about some of the activities at these events. With crashes and injuries becoming more public, at a time when the public is rightfully concerned about sUAS, it won't take many more events before we'll face additional regulation. If nothing else, rising insurance costs could have an equally chilling effect. I'm an advocate for us changing the way we do business before more draconian changes are forced upon us.
03-08-2015, 12:11 PM
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03-08-2015, 12:13 PM
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03-08-2015, 12:14 PM
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Wow.. Just imagine if we used social media for actual "good"?? There is not a person out there that doesn't want to be safe. Life is accidents ready to happen. No matter what. He'll I've been dodging falling Icecicles due to warming weather?? Who do I blame?? Come on... Every facet of hobby could have a problem.. Jets.. Warbirds..cars... Boats... Heck I watched a foamy wack a guy in the eye.. What do we do?? I wish people would act like adults.. Everyone has answers for everything... It's amazing... Thousands of experts... Most of which just offer up something to stir the pot.. And aggravate.. I love the hobby.. But all the negatives.. Just turns me off to people. How about the dozen or so concusions from golf ball hits.. The dozen fans each year injured by fouls at baseball games..... List goes on. All the events I've gone to I admire the CD 's as I am one myself. Dave and Pete... Warbirds over DE I have grown up attending. And these gentlemen CARE!! Lets try a new thing... Social Media to spread the joy.. The fun...
03-08-2015, 12:32 PM
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Wow.. Just imagine if we used social media for actual "good"?? There is not a person out there that doesn't want to be safe. Life is accidents ready to happen. No matter what. He'll I've been dodging falling Icecicles due to warming weather?? Who do I blame?? Come on... Every facet of hobby could have a problem.. Jets.. Warbirds..cars... Boats... Heck I watched a foamy wack a guy in the eye.. What do we do?? I wish people would act like adults.. Everyone has answers for everything... It's amazing... Thousands of experts... Most of which just offer up something to stir the pot.. And aggravate.. I love the hobby.. But all the negatives.. Just turns me off to people. How about the dozen or so concusions from golf ball hits.. The dozen fans each year injured by fouls at baseball games..... List goes on. All the events I've gone to I admire the CD 's as I am one myself. Dave and Pete... Warbirds over DE I have grown up attending. And these gentlemen CARE!! Lets try a new thing... Social Media to spread the joy.. The fun...
Off to something actually productive..... got to build
03-08-2015, 01:14 PM
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Agree. And one of the opportunities to sue for negligence despite hold harmless/release of liability is when the event knew or should have known that a dangerous crash was likely. I find it interesting that a number of CDs and event organizers are on record here saying that accidents just happen (or words to that effect). Those kind of comments are red meat for an injury lawyer. I would not want to be hosting an event, where very scary crashes have happened in the past (and there's video of them), and be on record making comments saying they weren't preventable, that they "just happen", or other dismissive comments. Any decent lawyer will salivate when they find those.
03-08-2015, 01:30 PM
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I have read quite a few of your posts in this and other forums regarding accidents, as well as quite a few of the other posters in here, while generally I try hard to avoid negative critism directly of people. When you are constantly negative without providing any real world solutions, you become a part of the problem. Although I have never been to Florida jets, I have watched and read quite a few videos and reports on Frant Tiano's events, which all seem to be orgainised very professionally over the years. You seem to want to regulate the RC Aircraft hobby to the point where most people that fly now wouldnt want to participate, Guess what rules and regulations are there for guidance and to set boundaries, but as with all of things some people do not follow them as closely as neccesary or ignore them completely. Comparing Models to their full sized counterparts is also counterproductive as the circumstances are for the most part different. I know quite a few full sized pilots who just assumed that because they can fly a full sized plane they are Ideal model pilots, and except for one it usually bit them on the backside once or twice before they lost their arrogance. You seem to talk the talk but never walk the walk, and most people will just roll their eyes in the back of their heads as soon as they see your post, which is counterproductive for you, as the one time that you actually have something worthwhile to contribute you will be ignored. Flaming event organisers such as Frank Tiano seems to be a national sport, when you are doing the same thing on the same scale as he does, maybe then you will have something positive to contribute as it seems to be me the only way that you and some of the others will finally get a clue on how difficult it is to organise a couple of hundred pilots all of which will think they are the no 1 pilot in the world.
Well said mate
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03-08-2015, 01:32 PM
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I have read quite a few of your posts in this and other forums regarding accidents, as well as quite a few of the other posters in here, while generally I try hard to avoid negative critism directly of people. When you are constantly negative without providing any real world solutions, you become a part of the problem. Although I have never been to Florida jets, I have watched and read quite a few videos and reports on Frant Tiano's events, which all seem to be orgainised very professionally over the years. You seem to want to regulate the RC Aircraft hobby to the point where most people that fly now wouldnt want to participate, Guess what rules and regulations are there for guidance and to set boundaries, but as with all of things some people do not follow them as closely as neccesary or ignore them completely. Comparing Models to their full sized counterparts is also counterproductive as the circumstances are for the most part different. I know quite a few full sized pilots who just assumed that because they can fly a full sized plane they are Ideal model pilots, and except for one it usually bit them on the backside once or twice before they lost their arrogance. You seem to talk the talk but never walk the walk, and most people will just roll their eyes in the back of their heads as soon as they see your post, which is counterproductive for you, as the one time that you actually have something worthwhile to contribute you will be ignored. Flaming event organisers such as Frank Tiano seems to be a national sport, when you are doing the same thing on the same scale as he does, maybe then you will have something positive to contribute as it seems to be me the only way that you and some of the others will finally get a clue on how difficult it is to organise a couple of hundred pilots all of which will think they are the no 1 pilot in the world.
Just because a full scale pilot crashes a model airplane isn't even germane. What is germane is whether all of the above is anticipated, that mitigations are in place, and that those mitigations will provide meaningfully reduced risk that a mishap will occur at all, or if one does, that it will not result in what we saw at this event - ideally both. That is a professional safety view of safety - full scale or model.
I disagree that trying to get people to think differently, in switching from an "accidents happen" mindset to an "accidents are preventable" mindset, is not contributing something positive.
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03-08-2015, 02:11 PM
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Fact...many hobbies/sports have inherent risks (mountain climbing, hockey, running, ALL MODEL AIRCRAFT FLYING, etc.)
Fact...many of these hobbies/sports have the potential to be deadly.
Fact...the ONLY way to eliminate these risks is to not participate.
Fact...in spite of the number of participants in the hobby/sport of model aviation, the safety record is excellent (check out the injuries and deaths in some other hobbies/sports).
Fact...the reason for this is the methods used at our flying fields to reduce the risks while still allowing the pastime to be exciting and enjoyable.
Fact...if you feel you are 100% safe in anything you do, you may need help.
Fact...many of these hobbies/sports have the potential to be deadly.
Fact...the ONLY way to eliminate these risks is to not participate.
Fact...in spite of the number of participants in the hobby/sport of model aviation, the safety record is excellent (check out the injuries and deaths in some other hobbies/sports).
Fact...the reason for this is the methods used at our flying fields to reduce the risks while still allowing the pastime to be exciting and enjoyable.
Fact...if you feel you are 100% safe in anything you do, you may need help.
03-08-2015, 02:18 PM
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Fact...many hobbies/sports have inherent risks (mountain climbing, hockey, running, ALL MODEL AIRCRAFT FLYING, etc.)
Fact...many of these hobbies/sports have the potential to be deadly.
Fact...the ONLY way to eliminate these risks is to not participate.
Fact...in spite of the number of participants in the hobby/sport of model aviation, the safety record is excellent (check out the injuries and deaths in some other hobbies/sports).
Fact...the reason for this is the methods used at our flying fields to reduce the risks while still allowing the pastime to be exciting and enjoyable.
Fact...if you feel you are 100% safe in anything you do, you may need help.
Fact...many of these hobbies/sports have the potential to be deadly.
Fact...the ONLY way to eliminate these risks is to not participate.
Fact...in spite of the number of participants in the hobby/sport of model aviation, the safety record is excellent (check out the injuries and deaths in some other hobbies/sports).
Fact...the reason for this is the methods used at our flying fields to reduce the risks while still allowing the pastime to be exciting and enjoyable.
Fact...if you feel you are 100% safe in anything you do, you may need help.
Fact...when spectators are injured, even when rare, the settlements may cost tens of millions
http://archive.rgj.com/article/20120...-crash-victims
http://www.forthepeople.com/blog/mor...-settle-claims
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/...awsuit-sloppy/
03-08-2015, 02:29 PM
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Fact...when spectators are injured, even when rare, the settlements may cost tens of millions
http://archive.rgj.com/article/20120...-crash-victims
http://www.forthepeople.com/blog/mor...-settle-claims
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/...awsuit-sloppy/
http://archive.rgj.com/article/20120...-crash-victims
http://www.forthepeople.com/blog/mor...-settle-claims
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/...awsuit-sloppy/
Fact...again, we do all we can to reduce spectator risk.
You need to take a nap.
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03-08-2015, 02:39 PM
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So, ... what actually caused the fire? Did a plane crash that close to the pilot? Or, did a plane just burn down as it was being taxied or started. I have seen a couple burn down when starting and a couple others go up in flames after a ground impact. Where were the fire extinguishers? In the video, I think I saw one go off for a short burst, ... maybe.
03-08-2015, 04:29 PM
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Any pilot who for whatever reason has his aircraft injure anyone for whatever reason and does not first check on the person he is responsible for injuring needs to be stripped of his ama waiver . it is bull puckey to be that insensitive to another person no matter what. He needs to learn some manners. Maybe someday it happens to him and no one helps him. Next time he shows his face at any event he needs to be run thru the ringer.
