DelGatoGrande

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my sugestions is :

not heavy..simple ..scale and twin turbine!!


....BUT with optional conversion kit for single turbine on the tail???...not in the midle...it will get fat[:'(]

what you think?

bskyinc

Fully Scaled with all the options.. With the wings unswept it will still take off and land at a reasonable speed

invertmast

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IMO if someone wanted a bare necessities F-14 because of price issues, they would get a foamie..

AndyAndrews

I'm sure once they are finished testing, it will be a great flyer. Maybe they should offer it two ways. One version with movable swept wings and another with the ability to lock the wings in the open position without the mechanism at all. It seems to me that that would be a viable option people could choose. Perhaps make it so that if someone decides to put it in they can buy it and install it in the field. Doesn't the whole FEJ swing mech come out for access to the gear?

MNModels

Andy,

I do not think its about the swing wing - Likai idea is excellent and does not matter what version - it will have a swing wing. After all it is a F14 and not a f15.....

With the wide off set between turbines it will be impossible to control a twin f14 if 1 engine die. You will need to cut other engine and hope you were very high and at the right position regarding runway and wind... So a twin will have to have some control surfaces on the wing. Spoilers,slats,flaps....

A single turbine version will only require elevons and simple setup. It will still have the scale looks with less weight and complexity.

So i guess its between an excellent looking 16ch static model that require nerves of steel... or an excellent flying model that requires a bit of modelling to make it look like a 16ch static model...

my 2c

Morne

PDR200

I have to agree with this statement!!
Keep it relatively simple, light and SM will be on a winner All models that have a relatively low wing loading fly well ie: the viper jet
I really hope they build it as a single engine version and as light as possible. IMHO SM will sell lots more of this version.

Cheers,
Paul

siclick33

Can you explain that in a bit more detail? Why can't a twin have a simple setup with just elevons?

What size engine would be anticipated for the single engine version? With the price of engines such as the Kingtech being so reasonable, it might be that a twin setup would work out cheaper.

SeaLance

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Decked Out! Otherwise forget it, not worth my time nor money! If you can't handle it scale then don't order, buy it, or fly it.

MNModels

Siclick33,

When i started out in jets - byron df or dynamax or ramtec in my budget. I have a yellow twin f18 hornet with 2 os91 setup. Maybe a museum piece some might say...but it was my first huge scale jet with excellent flying characteristics. The key was to keep it as light as possible. a Pound more and it would not rotate. Once it flies - no problem. And landing a breeze.

Now if i opted way back then to add all the bells and whistles of a full scale f18 - sucess would be failure for shure. I still believe in the same basic principle. Wing Loading!

Today with more powerfull powerplants the sky is the limit. But putting everthing into a "relatively small" airframe will do flying no good.

Now if the F14 were 3.5m with fully kevlar, carbon , airex with magnesium landing gear.... Now that will be a jet you can do all the bells and whistles.

For SM to produce a safe and well flying jet with not breaking the bank - there have to be some sacrifices i guess.

The question is what must be sacrifice? Twin will have 2 x 8kg turbines and single will have 1 x 16kg turbine. But with all extras this could go to 2 x 10kg turbines and 1 x 20kg turbine. All in all a space problem and wing loading problem. So the biggest question is : single or twin?

This is only my ideas and i am sure Anton think the same way - after all we want to sell more than 10 and have customers flying our products instead of very exspensive hangar queens!

Knowing Anton and the look of the F80 and the latest jets from Skymaster, the F14 will be scale. I mean the f14 is the mother of all jets and a water down f14 will just not do it for me...

Rergards

Morne

drdoom

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What is that on the other side of the runway the Stonehenge?

jetspud

Is the single turbine version that you talk about going to be in the center with a bifercated pipe??? I think that would be awsome. I dont like the center mounted pipe that splits the two outlets....

David

invertmast

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Thats not really possible with the way the F-14 outline is. The center portion of the fuselage is only about 3 1/2 to 4" thick at its thickest point and tapers down to 1/2" between the exhaust nozzles..

honestly, The Mibo A-10 has proven that twin turbine installations are perfectly able to fly with one engine flamed out. The f-14 nacalles aren't much further apart than the A-10's and the rudders and close to the same size (F-14 being smaller). Installation weights aren't much different between a twin and large single install, fuel loads are negligibly different (50-75oz difference max).

there is no reason why Skymaster can't do "all the bells and whistles" and keeping it at a reasonable and good flying weight. But if they want to keep it simple to increase the sales, more power to them and the best of luck.

bskyinc

MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bskyinc

Thomas, for this discussion to even exist convinces me that you are on the right track for me..

socshooter

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I second that motion

lavi rider

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The stances between the engines on the F-14 and the Mig-29 are quite identical . The CARF Mig-29 flies perfectly well on one engine and uses only elevons for controll . The Cat shouldn't have any problem flying like that.

AndyAndrews

When this is ready it may be my first twin. I hope they get the wings right..

invertmast

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thanks man! F-14 is by far my favorite jet of all time, so i look at all the ones coming out with a very keen eye.. I am really interested in seeing how skymaster does the central wing box structure as that will tell alot in how long their airframe will last.

George

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My twin Jet-Mart F-14 was only elevons and VERY HEAVILY wing loaded and flew very good with that set-up!! However, I can't speak of its "one engine" flying capability because I never I had to it; thank God!

Woketman

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I too see absolutely no reason why it should not fly just fine on one engine. Eddie Weeks' huge DC-10 flew so well on one turbine that he was uncertain what happened the first few times he had a flameout. The thing would gently roll into the dead engine so he would land when possible. No big deal and look how far apart those engines are!

Jeffpro

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Twin turbine! Otherwise I'm not nearly as interested.

pilot tw

Hi, all

Yes.IMO,with 2XP-80 installed to F-14,the dry weight should be under 20kg. (without slat,flaps,and speedbrake.Only use the elevons).Elevons will make it very easy to fly. Otherwise,customers also can select the optional functional parts for F-14 (with the 2 x P-120).

Best regards

Anton

Rush!

Would the SM version have slats, flaps and speedbrakes?   I have noticed with the F14 that landing it is a bear w/o changing the wing configuration to allow for increased lift.  

Also, how does she behave when the wings are swept back?  The pressure point changes and i have noticed that she will nose down due to that and you need to run separate trims for wings open and wings closed positions? 

Great pics!  would love to see it in jolly rodger colors!

invertmast

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uggh... do people not realize there was more than ONE F-14 squadron?

pilot tw

Hi, all

Thank you for your suggestion. We’ll release twin turbines with elevons version(under 20kg). Salts,flaps and speed brake will be optional parts and you can select them as you like.

I am sure Dr. Likai now strating make the wing wings machine with best design and the best scale landing gear for Skymaster F-14.

pls wait a few month that we will release the ultimate of F-14 as soon,,

Best Regards

Anton