T1 sport jet CG
06-09-2019, 04:33 AM
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T1 sport jet CG
What is the CG for T1 sport jet ? Where can I find the manual. I was told by Dirk from pacific RC it was 230mm from the leading edge of the wing.
06-09-2019, 08:58 PM
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Thanks for the info.
my T1 right around 230mm. When I turn it the plane it tends to clime up and it feels very to turn at high speed.
any link to the instructions manual?
my T1 right around 230mm. When I turn it the plane it tends to clime up and it feels very to turn at high speed.
any link to the instructions manual?
07-02-2020, 09:16 AM
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Flaps 40mm & 97mm
Ailerons 30mm up 20mm down
Elevators 33 up 28 down
Rudder 60 mm
These are the factory recommended throws
Factory
Flaps 40 & 80
Aileron 15 low 25 high
Elevator 25 low 40 high
Rudder 20 low 30 high
Enjoy the first flights, the T1 doesn't have any nasty habits that I've found
07-02-2020, 01:01 PM
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07-02-2020, 07:03 PM
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Got the T-1 balanced at the center of the wing tube. I am assuming the measurements are from the wing leading edge not from the fuselage root. Cortex Pro in and programmed on a 3 position switch. 0,35,50. Maiden in a few weeks. Thanks to all for questions asked.
07-05-2020, 07:28 PM
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I don't use crow to help slow down, whatsoever. In fact, landing speeds might be a little higher. the NUMBER ONE reason to use crow is to help avoid a tip stall!!! I have tested all of my jets with and without crow up high in the air. In every case, the stall warning was MUCH more evident with crow than without. Some jets don't need it, like my rebels, but I use it anyway. IMO, from landing observations on the T-1, in the hands of average pilots, it NEEDS crow. It doesn't do the wibblewobble before it drops a wing, it just drops a wing, almost without warning.
07-06-2020, 03:26 AM
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I don't use crow to help slow down, whatsoever. In fact, landing speeds might be a little higher. the NUMBER ONE reason to use crow is to help avoid a tip stall!!! I have tested all of my jets with and without crow up high in the air. In every case, the stall warning was MUCH more evident with crow than without. Some jets don't need it, like my rebels, but I use it anyway. IMO, from landing observations on the T-1, in the hands of average pilots, it NEEDS crow. It doesn't do the wibblewobble before it drops a wing, it just drops a wing, almost without warning.
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07-06-2020, 03:53 AM
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07-06-2020, 04:00 AM
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You do not need crow on a T-1. Never seen mine ever drop a wing either. I have just about 21 hrs on mine. I started out with the factory recommended CG. Then I modified it to fit my style. I still like it a little bit nose heavy. Even on asphalt, once the mains touch on a landing, the nose comes right down and stays down. The T-1 is much more enjoyable to fly than my Ultra Flash, which has snapped 9 times on me in 19 hrs of flight.
07-06-2020, 04:13 AM
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Setup, throws, Weight, CG, pilot skill, speed, etc all affect tip stall characteristics regardless of airframe design in my opinion. I did a full flap low and slow pass with my T-1 yesterday and a couple of guys mentioned they were surprised I got away with it. I felt I could have safely gone slower. I have also had a gear up landing in grass with it and slowed it to a crawl. My wings definitely gave me a "wobble" warning just before retracting flaps and touching down but never dropped a wing. I have also flown an Ultra Flash Evo and so far have been amazed at how light it feels and how much I can slow it down. To each his own! I do think that the T-1 flies like a pattern plane and has an amazing flight envelope. I can make it snap at will, and not snap if I don't want it to. In my opinion, lines of the T-1 blow away the looks of the Rebel. A really hard plane to beat for the price.....like I said, to each his own. I have batteries in nose and started with about 10 oz. of weight up there too. I have since removed all of the weight and am at about 260mm. Have fun and fly what you like!!!
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07-06-2020, 04:14 AM
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You must be retired to have enough free time to get over 2,000 flights on just two planes!
I just maidened my UF. Did stall tests on first flight. Couldn't get it to stall! Admittedly, I was in a bit of a hurry, as I thought the little 3.5L tank would only be good for 5-6 minutes of flight. Landed with 2/3s left after 5:30. I remember you complaining about your UF. Surprised you still own it. I wonder of you have a lateral balance issue on it, or it's just heavy? Mine came out 21.5lbs with a full UAT.
I just maidened my UF. Did stall tests on first flight. Couldn't get it to stall! Admittedly, I was in a bit of a hurry, as I thought the little 3.5L tank would only be good for 5-6 minutes of flight. Landed with 2/3s left after 5:30. I remember you complaining about your UF. Surprised you still own it. I wonder of you have a lateral balance issue on it, or it's just heavy? Mine came out 21.5lbs with a full UAT.
07-06-2020, 04:18 AM
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Setup, throws, Weight, CG, pilot skill, speed, etc all affect tip stall characteristics regardless of airframe design in my opinion. I did a full flap low and slow pass with my T-1 yesterday and a couple of guys mentioned they were surprised I got away with it. I felt I could have safely gone slower. I have also had a gear up landing in grass with it and slowed it to a crawl. My wings definitely gave me a "wobble" warning just before retracting flaps and touching down but never dropped a wing. I have also flown an Ultra Flash Evo and so far have been amazed at how light it feels and how much I can slow it down. To each his own! I do think that the T-1 flies like a pattern plane and has an amazing flight envelope. I can make it snap at will, and not snap if I don't want it to. In my opinion, lines of the T-1 blow away the looks of the Rebel. A really hard plane to beat for the price.....like I said, to each his own. Have fun and fly what you like!!!
I, too like the looks of the T-1, not because I think it looks better than a Rebel, just different.
07-06-2020, 07:02 AM
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I saw a T-1 and a T-3 drop a wing 'unexpectedly' on landing at the same event. Neither had crow. I say 'unexpectedly', because it surprised both pilots. That's not to say it wasn't pilot error or they weren't coming in too slow. I felt they were coming in too slow, but the way it dropped the wing almost without warning, was surprising to me as well. Try adding about 5mm of crow and do stall tests up high with landing flaps. The crow setting will yield a flatter, more predictable stall. It has in my observation on any sport jet I've flown or help set up. Not just CARF jets.
07-06-2020, 07:30 AM
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Soo you saw them do it at one event? And you flood the T1 threads with this info like this is a known issue? Myself and others that own and fly the planes say we haven’t had this issue. Every post is a comparison with your Rebels, which correct me if I’m wrong you’ve only even flown 1 out of the 3 right? We get it man, you like the Rebels and think they are the best thing out there. You like greater than 1:1 power on takeoff, and weight is apparently extremely important to you. I appreciate your experience and willingness to share but if I want to know about the Rebels I go to the Rebel threads. Which I do! But I don’t like the way the Rebels look, so I didn’t buy one, I bought a T1 which is why I’m here on this thread.
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07-07-2020, 10:26 AM
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If the T1 or T3 is dropping wings the CG is a bit aft.
I fly my CG forward of most of these other guys since I stick new to jet pilots on it from time to time to get people into jet flying. I have flown it with the CG further back on the mini T1 , T1 and the T3 but its not really my style. I have no problem holding a little extra rudder on knife edge and that's about all I notice other then the snappy when slow goes away. When I talk to guys sometimes even newer pilots its like a competition to see who can have the CG the most aft... Allot of the time they are newer guys that are not doing advanced maneuvers anyway like snaps spins and such. Guess I'm different I don't like tail heavy aircraft. I don't remember where I have the CG but its forward of the center of the wing tube for sure. When you move that CG back you narrow the flight envelope in return for more maneuverability and most of the people are not needing that little bit of extra maneuverability anyway.
I fly my CG forward of most of these other guys since I stick new to jet pilots on it from time to time to get people into jet flying. I have flown it with the CG further back on the mini T1 , T1 and the T3 but its not really my style. I have no problem holding a little extra rudder on knife edge and that's about all I notice other then the snappy when slow goes away. When I talk to guys sometimes even newer pilots its like a competition to see who can have the CG the most aft... Allot of the time they are newer guys that are not doing advanced maneuvers anyway like snaps spins and such. Guess I'm different I don't like tail heavy aircraft. I don't remember where I have the CG but its forward of the center of the wing tube for sure. When you move that CG back you narrow the flight envelope in return for more maneuverability and most of the people are not needing that little bit of extra maneuverability anyway.