Per Strommen

When comparing the Futaba 12Z and 12FG features I notice a difference in the feature "Switch Logic". The 12Z and 14Z have this feature, the 12FG has not. What does it mean? I have not been able to find a description of this feature in the instructions for the radio.

Per

Molar mender

The new 10C has it also and it is somewhat explained on their system overview at this site:
http://2.4gigahertz.com/systems/futk9250.html
allows for functions to be activated when specific switches or stick positions are used.

Hope that helps.

Roy

Per Strommen

Thank you Roy.
Have you used this feature on a jet?

Per

Molar mender

Per

Not yet. I am still using my 9Z on 72mhz. I have done considerable research on the new 10C, 12FG, 12Z and 14MZ to get ready for the upgrade to 2.4ghz. I still have quite a few prop and electric on 72 so I am leaning toward the 12Z with a 2.4 module set up. I would probably use the 'Switch Logic Function' for the brakes and nose gear steering on my jets. When the retracts come down it activates steering and brakes. The nose gear would remain motionless when in the up position and the brakes would not activate on the down elevator (I also have parking brake on a slider) in order to save air supply while flying.

Roy

mr_matt

My Feedback: (10)

Last i heard, the 12Z could use the MPDX-1 and the 12FG could not.

If this is still true, that means the 12Z can control between 7 to 14 more channels than the 12FG. If this is not that important to you, then I would say there is very little difference for the money. YMMV.

Ray Davis

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While we're at it.....I'd love to hear the pros/cons of these two radios compared to each other. I.e., forgetting price for the moment, are there significant differences that would make the choice more obvious? Functions/power/feel.....whatever? Tx!

Ray

GrayUK

The 12 FG does have logic functions.

Steve Collins

My Feedback: (8)

The 12FG does not seem to be handicapped in any way without the "Switch Logic".

My nosegear steering does not work when the gear are up.

I have my brakes coupled to down elevator but they also do not work when the gear is up.

I can't see any real difference in whether you call something "Switch Logic" or not. The functionality still seems to be present in the 12FG.

GrayUK

The 12FG does have logic functions, they are detailed at the end of the instructions.

Paul

DougV

The 12Z has volume control, the 12FG does not.

The gimbals are different as well.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_7859325/tm.htm

Doug.

GrayUK

Can you please explain 'volume control'?

DougV

The ability to adjust the timer’s volume. (Sorry for my English)

Doug.

FL510

My Feedback: (8)

The 14mz and the 12z are the same you just don't get the touch screen with the 12z. You can swap models from you card between them. The 12fg is similar in programing, but does not have all the features of the 12z and you can not swap models between the 14mz or 12z from the 12fg. I have a 14mz and a friend of mine has the 12fg that I buddy box him with. I can set the planes up close with mine but, still have to do a little creative mixing with his to match.

Jed

GrayUK

I see, was not sure, the intructions sometimes refer to volume as total travel.

Thanks
Paul

justinh

My Feedback: (6)

I've flown with both and they are both really nice. The 12Z comes with an aluminum case, has a nicer screen, lithium ion battery, speaker volume adjustment. 12Z has 3 knobs and 4 trims, 12FG has 2 knobs and 6 trims plus the sliders come through to the front as well. I bought the 12FG after a friend here bought a 12Z I didn't think it was worth the extra $300 to me and I actually like the black case better. I've since found a couple other things different, the 12Z has hysteresis (dead band around the center of the sticks) and is more flexible with setting up point curves. The menus are nicer on the Z, because of the better screen it can show more pictures when you're setting things up.

Overall though you can pretty much accomplish the same things with either radio. We're both flying the same model (fei bao velox) and they work exactly the same. The only thing that annoyed me was on the FG, the momentary trainer switch is on the right side instead of the left side like every other radio i've ever owned.

MPDX-1 works with the newest software update on the FG too but that device only works with the 72mhz modulation schemes so its really a non feature for me as i'll never fly on 72 again. If they ever update MPDX-1 to work with FASST it might be nice.

Per Strommen

Thank you for thoughts guys.

I have read the FG manual a little closer now, and the logic switching on the FG is appearently limited to switching between flight conditions. I feel the comparison table from Futaba is correct.

Roy, that is a clever thinking, but I have accomplished the same for a long time by using the retract switch as the on/off for the brakes and NWS mixing.

To me at the moment, it looks as if the larger screeen of the 12Z is the only real advantage, and if I can read it without glasses, it is a big advantage!

Per

Molar mender

Per

I agree about the screen size. I am at that point in life that I have to have a couple of sets of glasses to use for driving to computer to reading. I tried the trifocal and it just limited my seeing the world through only small strips of glass. Now I can see the big picture or the larger screen on the new radio using my full sized computer glasses or my reading glasses, whichever set that gives me the best views. That's also the reason I fly the big airframes, a lot easier to see and enjoy.

Roy

Steve Collins

My Feedback: (8)

I really would like to see a software update that adds the timer volume function because I almost never hear the beeps on the 12FG, especially when there are others flying as well.

Kallem

12FG has 14 channels (12 propotional and 2 on-off) which to my understanding 12Z does not have. Only thing I have found on my 12FG to complain about is the screen, it is quite dark and hard to see if there is not much light. Navigation in the menus is also faster and easier with the 12FG compared to 12Z but that might be just matter of taste.

roo

Hi Kalem. I think you have your 12fgs and your 12zs mixed up. :-). My 12z is/has 12plus 2 . It says so on the big screen. Best regards. Paul.

Meesh

My Feedback: (135)

The 12Z is 12 Proportional plus 2 switch.

Says it right on the screen when it boots up.

Steve Collins

My Feedback: (8)

From page 56 of the 12FG manual:

"Servo Output Channels
For PCMG3 mode, you can set twelve linear
channels and two digital channels."

This seems to suggest that the same two "switch" channels are available on the 12FG.

Meesh

My Feedback: (135)

Here is a side by side comparison of all of them..

http://www.futabarc.com/radios/feature-compare.html

ddaveb

Regaurdless of the comparison table the 12fg does have the logic switch feature

quist

My Feedback: (198)

The 12Z did not come with 12 + 2 channels at first, this was a software upgrade that came six months later.