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Old 12-24-2008, 04:33 AM
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Default 1:3.7 Pilatus PC21 turboprop build

Latest build is on the 'slab', not strictly a jet in the overall scheme of things but a 'jet trainer' and running a turbine so seemed logical to post here.

The kit is an HT Modellbau one, and is the larger of the two available, just under 3M in length and has a span of 2.38M, overall weight should come in around the 20kg - that is if i don't go too mad on the additions [X(]

Jetcat SPT5 is planned, and a reasonable amount of scale bits, loads of lights and if able to source a working MFD set up in the twin cockpit.

The planned colour scheme is not sorted yet, but needless to say if WILL NOT be one of the 'standard' colour schemes, so if you have ideas then please post them, I am sure Ali would be interested to see what ideas you have.

Here's a couple of initial pics of the airframe..

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Old 12-24-2008, 05:00 AM
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Default RE: 1:3.7 Pilatus PC21 turboprop build

Hi Marc,

And he was telling you to hurry up with my Eurofighter for that??

Anyway, there is seemingly only 4 full size schemes! Didn't bother posting the all black one, the all red one or the all silver one. So, the best scale scheme is this one...
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Old 12-24-2008, 05:01 AM
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Default RE: 1:3.7 Pilatus PC21 turboprop build

However, if you're up for another pseudo scale scheme Al then.....

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Old 12-24-2008, 05:07 AM
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Default RE: 1:3.7 Pilatus PC21 turboprop build

Yep the yellow one has been spotted [X(] although I think a really 'pseudo' scheme is on the cards..

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Default RE: 1:3.7 Pilatus PC21 turboprop build

Could go Reno Air Race stlyle courtesy of 'Relentless'.....

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Old 12-24-2008, 05:19 AM
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Default RE: 1:3.7 Pilatus PC21 turboprop build

Or 'RAF' it?

Can you tell I'm not working at work
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Default RE: 1:3.7 Pilatus PC21 turboprop build

Hey Mark. Yep it was a shame to tie up such a talented mans work bench with a done to death flying triangle! Especially as it is so heavy
Thanks for the help on the schemes. Whats all this dragging colours from other models?? Thats not scale... the cheek of it!
Nemesis one is nice. I was actually thinking of looking into a nice swirly type scheme such as that.
I like the yellow but Mr S is not too keen. He showed me a scheme he was working on that is pretty tasty, but is quite similar to a new model I have coming
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Default RE: 1:3.7 Pilatus PC21 turboprop build

Hello Marc
My Building is here:
http://www.rc-network.de/forum/showthread.php?t=87444
My first flight video:
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=IIG79W5gnEU

Have fun!

Merry Christmas
Best Regards, Martin
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Old 12-24-2008, 06:19 AM
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Default RE: 1:3.7 Pilatus PC21 turboprop build

Ali, work in progress the colour scheme, have some neat 'abstract' ideas (just pitty Ray), will post as I get a few ideas.
Martin, cheers for the info, have followed your thread and will refere to it no doubt on this build - might even re-do the manual for HT.....
Mark, I like the Euro

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Default RE: 1:3.7 Pilatus PC21 turboprop build

Marc,

Ali likes the Euro too he just can't bring himself to say Anyway, better a manly Eurofighter than this gay looking Tucano thing!

'Abstract' ideas? Can it be more off the wall than the grafitti'd Jaguar!?

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Default RE: 1:3.7 Pilatus PC21 turboprop build

I actually do like your Euro fighter... for the simple reason its a euro fighter and not another Euro sport. I think it will look the nuts with all is ordinance on, and I actually think it will fly more like a scale jet than a standard lightweight eurosport... such a shame its so ugly and triangle shaped!
Did you mean Graffiti Hunter??
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Default RE: 1:3.7 Pilatus PC21 turboprop build

Doh, yep I meant Hunter! - Xmas tipple hitting the spot!

Don't go too abstract on this one. It's aesthetically challenged enough without you giving it another phobia with some mental colour scheme
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Default RE: 1:3.7 Pilatus PC21 turboprop build

OK first impressions are good, the mouldings are very clean and the fuselage is nicely reinforced with carbon in the key places, the accessories are good quality and there seems nothing missed from the fittings. A huge box contains the cockpit items which i have not even dared to open yet as the instructions show there to be quite a few parts involved in the assembly!
The wings on this kit are composite, and are well made, the servo fixings are neat in that the wing has pre-moulded trays for the servos, and although the instructions detail Futaba servos, JR8511's fit nice with a little trimming of the grommet rubbers.
As the turbine is not here yet I decided to start a little work on the wings first. The proposed finished spec includes some 16 lights, excluding an attempt to work out a LCD driven MFD system and cockpit ambient lighting.
Started by cutting out the area for the wing leading edge landing light(s) and was pleased to see mounted behind the cut out a ply base to attach the lights to - a nice touch. Each wing will have 4 lights so running the cable and leads for the aileron was my first job. Unfortunately there are no pre-installed cable pulls, which is a little frustrating especially as attention to detail generally is very good. The internal structure of the wing seems full of ribs and ply parts which makes routing cable very tricky, especially when trying to get the exit point through the hole made in the forward section of the wing root rib. The aileron servo pocket has a hole cut for the servo lead to exit into the wing, but from this point on your on your own, and routing a cable from this tray area is really frustrating.
Eventually after an hour or so managed to get a piece of flexible 'snake' into the servo tray hole and out through the landing light cut out, from here another feed was eventually made through holes in ribs along the leading edge of the wing.
The gear supplied as an option with the kit is very nicely made, but unfortunately the gear is an air down - spring up system which is not ideal. In addition to this the full size aircraft has two circular discs mounted to the main wheels which when closed form a partial door, and are important in the overall look of the finished aircraft. The main gear on the full size has the leg and swing arm inboard, which leaves the wheel rim on the outboard side free for the circular disc to be fitted, the model has the gear leg and swing arm positioned on the outboard side so this makes the disc attachment much more complicated and not scale looking. To spin the gear over unfortunately then causes the leg to foul on the retract cylinder. A solution to this could be a retract with the cylinder at 180 degrees to the closed gear leg, so this and a few other options are being looked into, so thanks to Sandor in advance at Digitec.
As usual I will try to post as many pictures as possible, and please feel free to comment and provide advice/criticism along the way.

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Old 01-01-2009, 06:51 PM
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Default RE: 1:3.7 Pilatus PC21 turboprop build

Little done on the hinging today. Started on the ailerons and rudder, the system used is wire through hinge points and utilises three substantial hinges on the ailerons and two on the rudder. Fitting the hinges to the control surface was simple, and a little sanding opened up the pre-cut slots, making a slot in the wing was another task altogether, as the hinges are very thick fibre glass board the holes required are quite large, after drilling with a 5mm drill bit into the recess in the wing trailing edge I slowly worked the holes into a elongated slot using a coarse round file. the wood running behind the wing recess is very hard and took some time to achieve the final satisfactory openings.
Once done the hinges were test fitted and then finally assembled for fist fixing. The manual suggests around 1.2-1.5mm gap around the aileron to wing surface so to achieve a consistent gap I wrapped a couple of rubber bands around the aileron, these gave the desired gap and held the aileron in the correct place all round the gapped mating surfaces.
Once fixed I noticed the wire retaining pin was very sloppy in the hinge holes, allowing a fair amount of unwanted slack, on measuring the wire pin it showed a diameter of 1.8mm, I tried some 2mm in its place and the result is slack free and rock solid, I guess there must be a slight tolerance issue in the wire or hole cutting but at least the right sized wire worked out OK.
Hinged the rudder in the same fashion using rubber bands, and applied aeropoxy to the inside surface of the hinge plate as I was able to get inside via the servo cut-out to apply the epoxy.

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Default RE: 1:3.7 Pilatus PC21 turboprop build

Hinged the stabs and fitted the horns to the elevators. To make sure nothing was going to move I drilled two holes in the stabiliser, one at the root and one at the tip, this allowed access to the outermost and innermost hinges inboard of the trailing edge, i then added some Aeropoxy to the exposed hinge shafts to provide extra security.

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Default RE: 1:3.7 Pilatus PC21 turboprop build

Elevator servos........ the kit has pre-moulded servo trays built into each surface, which in itself is a great idea, the only drawback is you are restricted in which servos will fit. The original model was fitted with 9kg Futaba servos, Ali preferes to use JR servos and 6 x 8511's were supplied for the job. After a few hours of sanding and grinding the trays to remove the gel coat, these servos just were not going to fit, whatever was done they remained proud of the surface and prevented the servo covers from fitting flush[:@]
Phone call to HT...... spoke to a very helpful guy called Rector who spoke good English, choices were, use a thinner servo like an 8411 (11kg) or remove the base of the servo trays and remake them with some ply glued to the 'top' skin, unfortunately this could not be done on the stabs as the depth of the tray was already touching the top surface. The original plane has been flying with 9kg Futaba servos without any issues on all surfaces including the flaps, so it was decided to keep the mouldings in tact and use 8411's instead of 8511's.

As the fit is tight I fitted a length of ribbon under the servo to provide a release strap to help remove the servo from the fitting, I discovered just how well this servo tray works without fitting a strap originally[]
A little vaseline on the servo grommets makes the whole unit fit really nicely. and the covers once cut to shape now sit flush as intended.

I understand increasing the servo tray depth is a mod HT are working on so a bigger range of servos can be used by shimming out the base of the tray to suit.

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Default RE: 1:3.7 Pilatus PC21 turboprop build

That servo hatch aint going no where!
Good news. The Turbo prop unit should be here next week!
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Default RE: 1:3.7 Pilatus PC21 turboprop build

Oh and I found some other schemes that I think might suit it!
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Default RE: 1:3.7 Pilatus PC21 turboprop build

Marc's left space along the one edge for the latch bolt too
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I was hoping to see a few twist lock attachments myself
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Default RE: 1:3.7 Pilatus PC21 turboprop build

You big bunch of tarts!

Believe you me if I could find a decent tiny 1/4 turn lock I'd use it everywhere - Dzus and alike just don't make em small enough, and I've looked [&o]

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The rudder in its standard form uses a single arm link, and although no doubt fine like this it was agreed that if a twin arm, pull pull set up could be used that this would be better and possibly safer. To get a double arm in the space where the servo fits is impossible, I tried all sorts of combinations to try to get the servo arm in and leave the rudder skins with two small openings for the arms, but was finally beaten. In the end I cut away one side of the rudder from the edges of the arm cut out down to the base of the rudder, then made a small replacement panel which screws into place after the arm is fitted, once painted this will hopefully be almost invisible. An 8711 with some modification finally rested in the base of the rudder. Next job rudder double arm..... made a drawing to keep the arm the same spacing as the holes on the servo arm, and cranked to align the holes with the hinge line, now I need your help, do I cut two slots in the rudder, which will need to be wider than the width of the arm to allow it to pass through the rudder and out the other side, glue it without really knowing how good the fixing will be inside, as there is possibly no hard point inside OR do I cut a section off the base of the rudder to suit the horn shape, insert a hard point and glue the whole thing up replacing the cut section, dap of filler and nobody's the wiser?

The nose gear housing is a thin ply 'box' which mounts on the back of the rear turbine former, the retract mounting is a doubled up selection of nicely cut triangular quality ply, into which fits the retract mounting plates via notches and lugs, a very secure system. The retracts supplied however are likely to be changed - the original system uses a wire pull pull steering system, the replacement system should hopefully if it fits use a fixed linkage pull pull servo set up. Thanks to Sandor who has supplied the replacement items for testing. The nose retract has a wider base plate so the original ply mounts had to be remade to allow more room, a small job for the little milling machine.

Once glued together the gear box will have the ply mounts attached and these will also fix to the front former. In addition to making the steering system less prone to tangled wires, it will allow the removal of the original servo tray mounting plate which extended the nose leg 'box' close to the main wing spar tube, leaving an awkward shaped area to fit the fuel tank(s) - with the servo tray removed this area will allow a good sized rectangular tank, and keep things close to the C of G.

A few pics to accompany...

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