Hat's off to the AMA and JPO
05-03-2009, 05:17 AM
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RE: Hat's off to the AMA and JPO
As none of our jets have airspeed indicators in them the regulation wouldn't apply in any case since the FAR speed restriction specifically refers to indicated airspeed. (ground speed is not regulated)
But in the spirit of the thread's intent...Thank you, JPO, for representing us and getting results.
But in the spirit of the thread's intent...Thank you, JPO, for representing us and getting results.
05-03-2009, 04:03 PM
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I guess we should leave sleeping dogs lie. Raise the limit raise awaremess,if you don't want the FAA p*ssing in your corn flakes leave it alone. There is no way to enforce the limit Now! put a higher limit on paper and they just might be interested. I don't want to start anything just my 2 cents.
05-03-2009, 09:14 PM
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I guess we should leave sleeping dogs lie. Raise the limit raise awaremess,if you don't want the FAA p*ssing in your corn flakes leave it alone. There is no way to enforce the limit Now! put a higher limit on paper and they just might be interested. I don't want to start anything just my 2 cents.
I guess we should leave sleeping dogs lie. Raise the limit raise awaremess,if you don't want the FAA p*ssing in your corn flakes leave it alone. There is no way to enforce the limit Now! put a higher limit on paper and they just might be interested. I don't want to start anything just my 2 cents.
05-04-2009, 08:48 AM
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I guess we should leave sleeping dogs lie. Raise the limit raise awaremess,if you don't want the FAA p*ssing in your corn flakes leave it alone. There is no way to enforce the limit Now! put a higher limit on paper and they just might be interested. I don't want to start anything just my 2 cents.
I guess we should leave sleeping dogs lie. Raise the limit raise awaremess,if you don't want the FAA p*ssing in your corn flakes leave it alone. There is no way to enforce the limit Now! put a higher limit on paper and they just might be interested. I don't want to start anything just my 2 cents.
If anything like that were to happen in future, then there's absolutely no point in all of you guys suddenly speaking up and saying "If speed limiters are to be required, then the limit should be raised" – because by then your credibility with the AMA is totally shot as you basically confirm to the AMA that many within our group have just been ignoring the rule(s) thusfar.
Furthermore, why is it OK to keep increasing weight, and thrust limits etc., and not think "Uh-oh, the Fed's or 'other' such authorities might get interested if we put it on paper that we now have more massive models capable of carrying a much larger payload of, uh, 'stuff' around the skies", and only hypocritically apply such thinking to speed ?
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05-06-2009, 01:41 AM
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We need fewer rules in life not more. I wonder how much flying is done by those who like to make the rules.
It is my experience that the rule makers do very little flying, They like to sit back and impose things on others.
We need fewer control freaks and more people who subscribe to the live and let live principal
It is my experience that the rule makers do very little flying, They like to sit back and impose things on others.
We need fewer control freaks and more people who subscribe to the live and let live principal
05-06-2009, 10:59 AM
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I don't suggest the "head in the sand" idea Gordon...just not making a bigger deal about things needed. Somtimes we talk ourselves "into a deal and right back out of them". I agree with bigplumbs....sometimes it best NOT stirring the pot so much....
Just my opinion and obsevation.
Wex
Just my opinion and obsevation.
Wex
05-06-2009, 12:10 PM
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ORIGINAL: bigplumbs
We need fewer rules in life not more. I wonder how much flying is done by those who like to make the rules.
It is my experience that the rule makers do very little flying, They like to sit back and impose things on others.
We need fewer control freaks and more people who subscribe to the live and let live principal
We need fewer rules in life not more. I wonder how much flying is done by those who like to make the rules.
It is my experience that the rule makers do very little flying, They like to sit back and impose things on others.
We need fewer control freaks and more people who subscribe to the live and let live principal
Thrust me, we want to keep the FAA as far away from model airplanes as we can, and if a 200 MPH wink, wink kind of speed limit and some reasonable weight limits help do that, then I'm all for them!
Bob
05-06-2009, 12:32 PM
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RE: Hat's off to the AMA and JPO
ORIGINAL: Gordon Mc
Actually there IS at least one easy way to enforce the limit, and the AMA came uncomfortably close to adopting it under Dave Brown's direction some years ago - making speed limiters madatory on all turbine powered models. (Maybe some of you guys just are too new to turbines to remember that, or have short memories.)
If anything like that were to happen in future, then there's absolutely no point in all of you guys suddenly speaking up and saying "If speed limiters are to be required, then the limit should be raised" – because by then your credibility with the AMA is totally shot as you basically confirm to the AMA that many within our group have just been ignoring the rule(s) thusfar.
Furthermore, why is it OK to keep increasing weight, and thrust limits etc., and not think "Uh-oh, the Fed's or 'other' such authorities might get interested if we put it on paper that we now have more massive models capable of carrying a much larger payload of, uh, 'stuff' around the skies", and only hypocritically apply such thinking to speed ?
Gordon
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I guess we should leave sleeping dogs lie. Raise the limit raise awaremess,if you don't want the FAA p*ssing in your corn flakes leave it alone. There is no way to enforce the limit Now! put a higher limit on paper and they just might be interested. I don't want to start anything just my 2 cents.
I guess we should leave sleeping dogs lie. Raise the limit raise awaremess,if you don't want the FAA p*ssing in your corn flakes leave it alone. There is no way to enforce the limit Now! put a higher limit on paper and they just might be interested. I don't want to start anything just my 2 cents.
If anything like that were to happen in future, then there's absolutely no point in all of you guys suddenly speaking up and saying "If speed limiters are to be required, then the limit should be raised" – because by then your credibility with the AMA is totally shot as you basically confirm to the AMA that many within our group have just been ignoring the rule(s) thusfar.
Furthermore, why is it OK to keep increasing weight, and thrust limits etc., and not think "Uh-oh, the Fed's or 'other' such authorities might get interested if we put it on paper that we now have more massive models capable of carrying a much larger payload of, uh, 'stuff' around the skies", and only hypocritically apply such thinking to speed ?
Gordon
Regarding the rudder issue, you do need a rudder to properly land a jet in a cross wind.
05-06-2009, 01:18 PM
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RE: Hat's off to the AMA and JPO
Hey...I have a great idea! So no one steps in and drops some draconian types of regulation upon us...how about just follow the current ones in place?
I know it sounds crazy...but the squeaky wheel gets the grease, so to speak. When the day arrives in the future and God forbid we have some kind of spectacular crash, with the prerequisite "burning hair, teeth and eyeballs" from some spectators or pilots...the hammer is going to come down on us so hard we are not going to know what hit us.
When you hear about someone putting a P-160 into a Tam F-16...someone putting a 50 pound engine into a Lightning or a Ultra Bandit...you get the idea...it's foolhardy.
We all know 200 MPH is the limit...so when at a meet when we see some guys doing 300 MPH passes...how come no one steps up and tells them to slow it down? Back in the IMAC days...it was called the "Halo Factor"...where the "famous, team pilots" were held to a different standard than the other "common folk".
Now is the time to "self police" ourselves before we make some not too flattering headlines and have some rules and regulations stuffed up our backsides that no one ever wanted.
Just thinking out loud...
Beave
I know it sounds crazy...but the squeaky wheel gets the grease, so to speak. When the day arrives in the future and God forbid we have some kind of spectacular crash, with the prerequisite "burning hair, teeth and eyeballs" from some spectators or pilots...the hammer is going to come down on us so hard we are not going to know what hit us.
When you hear about someone putting a P-160 into a Tam F-16...someone putting a 50 pound engine into a Lightning or a Ultra Bandit...you get the idea...it's foolhardy.
We all know 200 MPH is the limit...so when at a meet when we see some guys doing 300 MPH passes...how come no one steps up and tells them to slow it down? Back in the IMAC days...it was called the "Halo Factor"...where the "famous, team pilots" were held to a different standard than the other "common folk".
Now is the time to "self police" ourselves before we make some not too flattering headlines and have some rules and regulations stuffed up our backsides that no one ever wanted.
Just thinking out loud...
Beave
05-06-2009, 03:21 PM
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RE: Hat's off to the AMA and JPO
ORIGINAL: bevar
Hey...I have a great idea! So no one steps in and drops some draconian types of regulation upon us...how about just follow the current ones in place?
I know it sounds crazy...but the squeaky wheel gets the grease, so to speak. When the day arrives in the future and God forbid we have some kind of spectacular crash, with the prerequisite "burning hair, teeth and eyeballs" from some spectators or pilots...the hammer is going to come down on us so hard we are not going to know what hit us.
When you hear about someone putting a P-160 into a Tam F-16...someone putting a 50 pound engine into a Lightning or a Ultra Bandit...you get the idea...it's foolhardy.
We all know 200 MPH is the limit...so when at a meet when we see some guys doing 300 MPH passes...how come no one steps up and tells them to slow it down? Back in the IMAC days...it was called the "Halo Factor"...where the "famous, team pilots" were held to a different standard than the other "common folk".
Now is the time to "self police" ourselves before we make some not too flattering headlines and have some rules and regulations stuffed up our backsides that no one ever wanted.
Just thinking out loud...
Beave
Hey...I have a great idea! So no one steps in and drops some draconian types of regulation upon us...how about just follow the current ones in place?
I know it sounds crazy...but the squeaky wheel gets the grease, so to speak. When the day arrives in the future and God forbid we have some kind of spectacular crash, with the prerequisite "burning hair, teeth and eyeballs" from some spectators or pilots...the hammer is going to come down on us so hard we are not going to know what hit us.
When you hear about someone putting a P-160 into a Tam F-16...someone putting a 50 pound engine into a Lightning or a Ultra Bandit...you get the idea...it's foolhardy.
We all know 200 MPH is the limit...so when at a meet when we see some guys doing 300 MPH passes...how come no one steps up and tells them to slow it down? Back in the IMAC days...it was called the "Halo Factor"...where the "famous, team pilots" were held to a different standard than the other "common folk".
Now is the time to "self police" ourselves before we make some not too flattering headlines and have some rules and regulations stuffed up our backsides that no one ever wanted.
Just thinking out loud...
Beave
Very good advice.
05-07-2009, 12:21 AM
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RE: Hat's off to the AMA and JPO
ORIGINAL: bevar
Hey...I have a great idea! So no one steps in and drops some draconian types of regulation upon us...how about just follow the current ones in place?
We all know 200 MPH is the limit...so when at a meet when we see some guys doing 300 MPH passes...how come no one steps up and tells them to slow it down? Back in the IMAC days...it was called the "Halo Factor"...where the "famous, team pilots" were held to a different standard than the other "common folk".
Now is the time to "self police" ourselves before we make some not too flattering headlines and have some rules and regulations stuffed up our backsides that no one ever wanted.
Just thinking out loud...
Beave
Hey...I have a great idea! So no one steps in and drops some draconian types of regulation upon us...how about just follow the current ones in place?
We all know 200 MPH is the limit...so when at a meet when we see some guys doing 300 MPH passes...how come no one steps up and tells them to slow it down? Back in the IMAC days...it was called the "Halo Factor"...where the "famous, team pilots" were held to a different standard than the other "common folk".
Now is the time to "self police" ourselves before we make some not too flattering headlines and have some rules and regulations stuffed up our backsides that no one ever wanted.
Just thinking out loud...
Beave
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05-08-2009, 08:54 PM
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RE: Hat's off to the AMA and JPO
Beave,
Amen to that! We need to keep ourselves out of the spotlight. There's a bureaucrat somewhere just waiting to show up and declare "I'm from the government and I'm here to help.[>:]
Regards, Bill
Amen to that! We need to keep ourselves out of the spotlight. There's a bureaucrat somewhere just waiting to show up and declare "I'm from the government and I'm here to help.[>:]
Regards, Bill
