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05-15-2009, 08:55 PM
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Great pic of the Gremelin
That would make a great pilot lol.
Bryce nice pics, you going to Jets over Kentucky?
I will be there with D. Murray
That would make a great pilot lol.
Bryce nice pics, you going to Jets over Kentucky?
I will be there with D. Murray
05-15-2009, 08:56 PM
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ORIGINAL: General Jake
I Engineer and fly UAV's for Lockheed Martin, and we've been grounded since Jan do to the new FAA rules. The rules state that Industry shall register all UAV's (From 6 oz to 6000 lbs) with the FAA.
Welcome to the New world Order, needless to say, we are not progressing with new technology.
Bryce,
hey bud!
Chris
I Engineer and fly UAV's for Lockheed Martin, and we've been grounded since Jan do to the new FAA rules. The rules state that Industry shall register all UAV's (From 6 oz to 6000 lbs) with the FAA.
Welcome to the New world Order, needless to say, we are not progressing with new technology.
Bryce,
hey bud!
Chris
Best Wishes,
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05-15-2009, 08:58 PM
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Gumby and the Gremelin!!!
Gumby and the Gremelin!!!
Sup D-Fresh
Don't be tryna bomb that gremlin on Gums, he flies solo bro! I guess he does have Pokey, but I won't go there.....cause that's, well.........
05-15-2009, 09:01 PM
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Sup D-Fresh
Don't be tryna bomb that gremlin on Gums, he flies solo bro! I guess he does have Pokey, but I won't go there.....cause that's, well.........
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Gumby and the Gremelin!!!
Gumby and the Gremelin!!!
Sup D-Fresh
Don't be tryna bomb that gremlin on Gums, he flies solo bro! I guess he does have Pokey, but I won't go there.....cause that's, well.........
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Great pic of the Gremelin
That would make a great pilot lol.
Bryce nice pics, you going to Jets over Kentucky?
I will be there with D. Murray
Great pic of the Gremelin
That would make a great pilot lol.
Bryce nice pics, you going to Jets over Kentucky?
I will be there with D. Murray
Hey Duke, I'm not sure yet, as I don't have my schedule set yet, a whole week of flying definitely sounds great. Would be nice to catch up with you and chat for a bit, it's been a few years. If I can make it, then I'll try, regardless, we're all looking forward to great coverage from that show online here. If i'm not there this year, then I'll definitely be back eventually, great memories, folks and place to fly.
B
05-15-2009, 09:07 PM
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Hi Rack
Thank you for pointing that out, I was stating generally and it was not targeted at you.
Im tired that we are the whipping boy of model aviation many times, and I believe our safety record is very good. But perceptions are perceptions and those are hard to change. I just know that there are many people who enjoy watching the Jets and Warbirds fly but there are those who just as vocal that we are potentially dangerous. Well so is getting out of bed
I saw some of the birds on your profile, very nice airplanes! Do you fly anywhere near the Fox Valley club in St. Charles? Im not too familiar with IL outside of the Chicago area. I'm visiting this summer great field, and club.
I know that we are "high profile" I would disagree with the highest liability somewhat, dead after all is dead. The .40 size trainer has killed many more people than turbine jets after all. Just numbers, many more .40 size trainers around. But due to us having a "Jet, that burns kero" we are perceived as a more dangerous. While unfortunately the perception is there, im sure insurance claims, and incidents will show that we are not nearly the liability that we are perceived as
Hi Rack
Thank you for pointing that out, I was stating generally and it was not targeted at you.
Im tired that we are the whipping boy of model aviation many times, and I believe our safety record is very good. But perceptions are perceptions and those are hard to change. I just know that there are many people who enjoy watching the Jets and Warbirds fly but there are those who just as vocal that we are potentially dangerous. Well so is getting out of bed
I saw some of the birds on your profile, very nice airplanes! Do you fly anywhere near the Fox Valley club in St. Charles? Im not too familiar with IL outside of the Chicago area. I'm visiting this summer great field, and club.
I know that we are "high profile" I would disagree with the highest liability somewhat, dead after all is dead. The .40 size trainer has killed many more people than turbine jets after all. Just numbers, many more .40 size trainers around. But due to us having a "Jet, that burns kero" we are perceived as a more dangerous. While unfortunately the perception is there, im sure insurance claims, and incidents will show that we are not nearly the liability that we are perceived as
05-15-2009, 09:52 PM
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Duke, I read this article carefully and in it's entire length. I do understand the intentions of this "assembly" of wise people. The FAA has a responsibility, but this responsibility ends where our hobby begins.
Yes, all my aircraft's top speed are more then 100mph, but this is not the only reason why I'm pretty upset. It is the shameless abuse of power to put these unfounded rules in place.
Most of us modelers and RC enthusiasts are pretty responsible and have common sense. If there is ONE accident where a RC Model brought a aircraft down - I like to hear it. This would be all over the (panic) press and we would that see in the following issue of the AMA magazine.
I can't see ANY reason for these restrictions, these will be then federal laws. If you fly a jet, you commit a federal crime. If you fly a model which is capable of more then 100mph you get busted for violation of FAA (federal) rules. High fines and a nice mark in your jacket.
The AMA had some good guidelines and rules this worked for the last 20 - 30 years. Accidents are rare and they are within the community. We stay away from Airports and when we have full scale cross traffic, the models are kept low.
I see there is not much response to these proposals. Mostly funny, not realizing the seriousness of that. Ya Ya they don't do that - that's what the bikers thought too, now the there is a law from 2010 on you can only ONE custom bike register in your lifetime.
You would think forums like the RCU could make a difference - but look in my post history, I posted that proposal in the Warbird Warplane forum and snip snip...
Slowly but surly the land of the free is not so free anymore.
I'm afraid this is the beginning of the end of the remote controlled aircraft - I would never thought this would happened in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. United we stand on the flight line and watch birds - tell our children (my grand children) there was upon a time when man had remote controlled machines - just for fun and not only for war and observation.
Hey, don't get me wrong here I'm a optimist - I hope I'm wrong but this is what I see...............
Yes, all my aircraft's top speed are more then 100mph, but this is not the only reason why I'm pretty upset. It is the shameless abuse of power to put these unfounded rules in place.
Most of us modelers and RC enthusiasts are pretty responsible and have common sense. If there is ONE accident where a RC Model brought a aircraft down - I like to hear it. This would be all over the (panic) press and we would that see in the following issue of the AMA magazine.
I can't see ANY reason for these restrictions, these will be then federal laws. If you fly a jet, you commit a federal crime. If you fly a model which is capable of more then 100mph you get busted for violation of FAA (federal) rules. High fines and a nice mark in your jacket.
The AMA had some good guidelines and rules this worked for the last 20 - 30 years. Accidents are rare and they are within the community. We stay away from Airports and when we have full scale cross traffic, the models are kept low.
I see there is not much response to these proposals. Mostly funny, not realizing the seriousness of that. Ya Ya they don't do that - that's what the bikers thought too, now the there is a law from 2010 on you can only ONE custom bike register in your lifetime.
You would think forums like the RCU could make a difference - but look in my post history, I posted that proposal in the Warbird Warplane forum and snip snip...
Slowly but surly the land of the free is not so free anymore.
I'm afraid this is the beginning of the end of the remote controlled aircraft - I would never thought this would happened in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. United we stand on the flight line and watch birds - tell our children (my grand children) there was upon a time when man had remote controlled machines - just for fun and not only for war and observation.
Hey, don't get me wrong here I'm a optimist - I hope I'm wrong but this is what I see...............
05-15-2009, 10:01 PM
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...and now I go back to the build of my P-38, it will be more then 55 pounds and she will fly faster then 100mph and she will drop tanks and she will look realistic in the air, she will be louder then 96db -
yeah looks like in the future I'm a criminal, 48 years without one mark - did my tours and now...
yeah looks like in the future I'm a criminal, 48 years without one mark - did my tours and now...
05-15-2009, 10:13 PM
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G-Pete,
Can you seriously not read? The proposal for the rules are in the section that applies to models NOT operated under the AMA umbrella. The proposal specifically states that when operated under the AMA code, those regulations do not apply. What is unclear about that?
As far as the bike law, it seems as if that is a one-time exception to EPA regulations for emission standards an anyone is free to use an EPA certified engine manufacturer for as many custom bikes as they could ever want. Not exactly the same thing...
Bob
Can you seriously not read? The proposal for the rules are in the section that applies to models NOT operated under the AMA umbrella. The proposal specifically states that when operated under the AMA code, those regulations do not apply. What is unclear about that?
As far as the bike law, it seems as if that is a one-time exception to EPA regulations for emission standards an anyone is free to use an EPA certified engine manufacturer for as many custom bikes as they could ever want. Not exactly the same thing...
Bob
05-15-2009, 10:20 PM
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Sup D-Fresh Don't be tryna bomb that gremlin on Gums, he flies solo bro! I guess he does have Pokey, but I won't go there.....cause that's, well.........
ORIGINAL: AFTERBURNER1 Gumby and the Gremelin!!!
Don't be tryna bomb that gremlin on Gums, he flies solo bro! I guess he does have Pokey, but I won't go there.....cause that's, well.........
