Weatronic 2.4 RF diagnostic tool
06-10-2014, 12:44 AM
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Oli,
Myself and 2 modeling friends have been flying the Taranis for about 7 months. All 3 of us feel for our personal taste the centering of the sticks is too soft even with the tension adjusted full high. The sticks have metal pins for centering but they mate with a plastic centering arm. Jack has replaced the plastic centering arm with a steel arm hand made and now with the metal to metal the center feels very positive. We will replace the centering arm on the other two transmitters in the near future. I put a stiffer spring in mine rudder stick and the spring bent the centering arm enough to cause very sloppy centering and I went back to the standard spring.
When Jack was installing the metal centering arms he disassembled one of the pots to check the quality and was impressed with it. He doesn't think we need better pots.
I still would like to get the details on how you mounted the Weatronic Tx module on the Taranis and the wiring details.
Sid Gates
Oli,
Myself and 2 modeling friends have been flying the Taranis for about 7 months. All 3 of us feel for our personal taste the centering of the sticks is too soft even with the tension adjusted full high. The sticks have metal pins for centering but they mate with a plastic centering arm. Jack has replaced the plastic centering arm with a steel arm hand made and now with the metal to metal the center feels very positive. We will replace the centering arm on the other two transmitters in the near future. I put a stiffer spring in mine rudder stick and the spring bent the centering arm enough to cause very sloppy centering and I went back to the standard spring.
When Jack was installing the metal centering arms he disassembled one of the pots to check the quality and was impressed with it. He doesn't think we need better pots.
I still would like to get the details on how you mounted the Weatronic Tx module on the Taranis and the wiring details.
Sid Gates
Will do soon.
Oli.
06-10-2014, 01:49 AM
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I have managed to order all 131 Wea type plugs that my supplier had left on the shelf so shall be good for a while if and when anyone wants a soldered patch lead
:-)
Alan
:-)
Alan
06-11-2014, 01:26 PM
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All the plugs arrived today!
just making up the plugs that guys have ordered..
couple of pics showing the soldering and the sockets which I test with 1000v insulation tester
Alan
just making up the plugs that guys have ordered..
couple of pics showing the soldering and the sockets which I test with 1000v insulation tester
Alan
06-11-2014, 01:37 PM
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Very nice soldering technique.
I can see in the bulk pack how they assumed the jack would cut the insulation but it's a pretty big gap. Also looks like you're using much better wire.
I've not dissected my old cable to see. I don't know if they were using solid strand wire which would even exaggerate the issue of movement. And it's easy to see why they never changed this since after looking at the DV4 board. They were made 4 years ago so Wea's got plenty of them in stock and need to get rid of them.
I can see that the soldering won't migrate to the connection side of the jack the way it's made and you're using just the right amount of heat to avoid that as well.
Your cables are very nice.
I can see in the bulk pack how they assumed the jack would cut the insulation but it's a pretty big gap. Also looks like you're using much better wire.
I've not dissected my old cable to see. I don't know if they were using solid strand wire which would even exaggerate the issue of movement. And it's easy to see why they never changed this since after looking at the DV4 board. They were made 4 years ago so Wea's got plenty of them in stock and need to get rid of them.
I can see that the soldering won't migrate to the connection side of the jack the way it's made and you're using just the right amount of heat to avoid that as well.
Your cables are very nice.
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06-11-2014, 02:35 PM
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Thanks, at least whilst my eyesight is still ok
One of the problems with these type of 'V' blade contact, is that the wire strands are so small you are relying on a very small contact and that could be just on the side of one strand! With soldered joints around the V blades you can be sure you get proper uniform connections
Yes they are a ***** to solder and make but if this stops someone loosing a jet then that makes it worth it
I think some think they are not cheap but each lead takes around 1 1/4 hrs including sealing with Hysol. My original lead was made around two years ago and is still working fine
If I had any doubts whatsoever about these leads I would not be making them, originally I went through around 25 plugs refining the method until I was satisfied that it was 100%
Alan
One of the problems with these type of 'V' blade contact, is that the wire strands are so small you are relying on a very small contact and that could be just on the side of one strand! With soldered joints around the V blades you can be sure you get proper uniform connections
Yes they are a ***** to solder and make but if this stops someone loosing a jet then that makes it worth it
I think some think they are not cheap but each lead takes around 1 1/4 hrs including sealing with Hysol. My original lead was made around two years ago and is still working fine
If I had any doubts whatsoever about these leads I would not be making them, originally I went through around 25 plugs refining the method until I was satisfied that it was 100%
Alan
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06-19-2014, 07:37 PM
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We are working on a very specific carbon fiber clip for this conversion. As soon as it is available with the combo, I will post on RCU.
06-20-2014, 05:44 AM
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Oli,
I and 2 friends are flying the Taranis and all 3 prefer sticks with more tension and more positive click feel at center. We have drawn up a metal replacement for the centering arm and have hand made one set of arms, installed them in one Tx and installed stronger centering springs. If you have a interest and a source for producing the centering arm I can send you our drawing.
We have looked for someone to produce the arm but no success so far. We are not interested in producing the arm commercially.
06-20-2014, 06:37 AM
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Pat,
We considered carbon and fiberglass but don't feel you get the same "click" feel that metal to metal gives. Further discussions of this subject is at post 9987:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...6#post28702774
Pat,
We considered carbon and fiberglass but don't feel you get the same "click" feel that metal to metal gives. Further discussions of this subject is at post 9987:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...6#post28702774
06-20-2014, 11:27 AM
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Oli,
I and 2 friends are flying the Taranis and all 3 prefer sticks with more tension and more positive click feel at center. We have drawn up a metal replacement for the centering arm and have hand made one set of arms, installed them in one Tx and installed stronger centering springs. If you have a interest and a source for producing the centering arm I can send you our drawing.
We have looked for someone to produce the arm but no success so far. We are not interested in producing the arm commercially.
Oli,
I and 2 friends are flying the Taranis and all 3 prefer sticks with more tension and more positive click feel at center. We have drawn up a metal replacement for the centering arm and have hand made one set of arms, installed them in one Tx and installed stronger centering springs. If you have a interest and a source for producing the centering arm I can send you our drawing.
We have looked for someone to produce the arm but no success so far. We are not interested in producing the arm commercially.
06-20-2014, 05:20 PM
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Oli,
I attached our drawing. I think the only critical dimension is the .018 offset of the pivot hole to the surface that mates with the centering pins. This dimension determines whether the stick is centered when pins are touching the arm surface. I would think plus or minus .001 would be accurate enough.
Oli,
I attached our drawing. I think the only critical dimension is the .018 offset of the pivot hole to the surface that mates with the centering pins. This dimension determines whether the stick is centered when pins are touching the arm surface. I would think plus or minus .001 would be accurate enough.
06-22-2014, 11:35 PM
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I yesterday successfully tested the v2.70 Listing Firmware for the DV4 during a glider competition. I was monitoring the flights of my son at the far end of the flying field with a tablet and GC v2.70. The ASPIRE was equipped with a LinkVario Duo. The RF connection "into" the primary up/downlink of the MX22 with DV4BT and a SMART 8 in the ASPIRE was more than stable all the time!!!
I mounted the DV4 on a small foldable but yet stable SONY Camcorder tripod so I was able to give it a good pointing direction towards the pilots position... Since on the Weatronic website it is mentioned, that one should experiment a little to get familar with the system and a stable RF link for "sniffing" into the primary RF connection... (This statement implied to me, that this Listing Function is maybe a little complicated to handle.)
After the singal was about 100% all the time, i moved the Listing DV4 into some bad RF positions and there was no significant loss of signal. Only placing it directly on the lawn and facing towards earth (!) gives significant loss in the quality of the RF link; BUT IT WAS STILL WORKING (!)
So why do I write this ? I would like to encourage everyone who has a spare DV4 to use this function. It is a nice feature and adds some fun. And it is totally uncomplicated to set up and use. If you have a laptop rather than a tablet, you can simply use some adhesive, but yet removeable velcro to attach the Listening DV4 to the backside of the LCD. Pointing roughly towards the pilot/model is all you need to do.
BTW, when the listing firmware is installed, you can not control (ie BIND) a receiver with that DV4. To use it in the normal way, you need to reflash a standard firmware. Never the less, you can still use it as a frequency scanner when you change to the corresponding tab in Gigacontrol... The time for the _listening_ DV4 to get into an established RF link is about 3 secs after power on. Power itself is supplied to the listening DV4 via the USB connection which is used to transfer the telemetry data to display it in Gigacontrol.
Best reagrds from GER and have fun
Tom
I mounted the DV4 on a small foldable but yet stable SONY Camcorder tripod so I was able to give it a good pointing direction towards the pilots position... Since on the Weatronic website it is mentioned, that one should experiment a little to get familar with the system and a stable RF link for "sniffing" into the primary RF connection... (This statement implied to me, that this Listing Function is maybe a little complicated to handle.)
After the singal was about 100% all the time, i moved the Listing DV4 into some bad RF positions and there was no significant loss of signal. Only placing it directly on the lawn and facing towards earth (!) gives significant loss in the quality of the RF link; BUT IT WAS STILL WORKING (!)
So why do I write this ? I would like to encourage everyone who has a spare DV4 to use this function. It is a nice feature and adds some fun. And it is totally uncomplicated to set up and use. If you have a laptop rather than a tablet, you can simply use some adhesive, but yet removeable velcro to attach the Listening DV4 to the backside of the LCD. Pointing roughly towards the pilot/model is all you need to do.
BTW, when the listing firmware is installed, you can not control (ie BIND) a receiver with that DV4. To use it in the normal way, you need to reflash a standard firmware. Never the less, you can still use it as a frequency scanner when you change to the corresponding tab in Gigacontrol... The time for the _listening_ DV4 to get into an established RF link is about 3 secs after power on. Power itself is supplied to the listening DV4 via the USB connection which is used to transfer the telemetry data to display it in Gigacontrol.
Best reagrds from GER and have fun
Tom
06-29-2014, 06:13 AM
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Just posted the 9 leads ordered so they will be on the way if Royal Mail does their thing!
Whilst making those leads I have made up 4 extra 130mm if any one wants one PM me, going to try and keep some made up as I am not always around in the week with work etc
Alan
Whilst making those leads I have made up 4 extra 130mm if any one wants one PM me, going to try and keep some made up as I am not always around in the week with work etc
Alan
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07-03-2014, 04:37 PM
#2316
I have a question regarding the gyros...
There is a gyro settings tab in Giga control that allows for adjustments to the gyro settings. Kp, Ki and Kd. There is also a Dynamic adjustment available. Does anyone know what effect changing these parameters has?
I'm also trying to get the Heading Hold function to work but, cant seem to get anywhere with it. Any experience with it? I see Wea has a manual on gyro setup and it covers heading hold but, it's only available in German. I've tried to translate it through google but, can't make any sense out of the poor translation.
Regards,
Mike
There is a gyro settings tab in Giga control that allows for adjustments to the gyro settings. Kp, Ki and Kd. There is also a Dynamic adjustment available. Does anyone know what effect changing these parameters has?
I'm also trying to get the Heading Hold function to work but, cant seem to get anywhere with it. Any experience with it? I see Wea has a manual on gyro setup and it covers heading hold but, it's only available in German. I've tried to translate it through google but, can't make any sense out of the poor translation.
Regards,
Mike
Last edited by luv2flyrc; 07-03-2014 at 06:56 PM.
07-03-2014, 10:32 PM
#2317
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The p i d parameters are damping adjustment on the gyro. I have not tried modifying them on the Weatronic, but I play all the time with these on 3D robotics autopilots. Quite a black art kind of thing.
07-04-2014, 03:14 AM
#2319
Alright, thanks guys, I see Wea has a few "pre-established" set ups for agile planes, slow planes etc. I'll toy with it a bit and see if I can notice the difference in the set ups.
Anyone tried the Heading Lock? Here's what I've run into when playing with it on the nose gear... When I switch the gyro's setting from normal to Heading Lock, it will 'lock' on it's current position however; it will not relinquish the position as it should when you move the sticks and move the plane to a new heading. ie. it is permanently locked on the original heading.
Obviously, there is more to the set up that I am not aware of. Any enlightenment is appreciated.
Mike
Anyone tried the Heading Lock? Here's what I've run into when playing with it on the nose gear... When I switch the gyro's setting from normal to Heading Lock, it will 'lock' on it's current position however; it will not relinquish the position as it should when you move the sticks and move the plane to a new heading. ie. it is permanently locked on the original heading.
Obviously, there is more to the set up that I am not aware of. Any enlightenment is appreciated.
Mike
07-04-2014, 06:39 AM
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Here's what I've run into when playing with it on the nose gear... When I switch the gyro's setting from normal to Heading Lock, it will 'lock' on it's current position however; it will not relinquish the position as it should when you move the sticks and move the plane to a new heading. ie. it is permanently locked on the original heading.
Mike
If you want want your rudder stick to act as the lock switch, simply assign it as the command switch with the lock state within a narrow band around neutral and unlock state everywhere else.
Make sure to assign heading lock only to the steering servo. Not the rudder or ailerons !
07-04-2014, 06:46 AM
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Mike
07-04-2014, 08:20 AM
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Thanks Oli, The problem seems to be that I cannot unlock it. It sounds like I have to go in and change the default curve. It must be that it is presently locked across the entire range of stick movement. I didn't realize that I could adjust this, most gyros aren't that flexible. I'll take another look at it, Thanks for the tip!
Mike
Mike
Here is how it was working on 1.63. Haven't tried since the function got reactivated on 2.6.
07-06-2014, 02:22 PM
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Hi
We have global trouble with weatronic transmitter modules. We are producing jet planes, and used 5 years weatronic production. More than 20 sets has been sold to our jet customers, and many recommended to buy. But at last 3 months we have 6 times returned our customers to us with same tx module trouble. No one plane has been crashed. Trouble in next. At first time seen of trouble.
After 10-15 minutes, module begin restarting or rebooting, such You turn On and Off transmitter. All 3 leds blinking, so no RF connection with receiver. It constantly repeating 1-2 times in minute, but it repeating more and more... After more 5 mins, it restarting nonstop....
So All 6(six ) weatronic making it same, if plug usb- it working normally.
All our weatronic soldered directly to tx adaptor. Firmware different on sets. 2.3 to 2.61.
One set is DV4, other 5 is old, DV3.
I have video, but cant upload right now, because problems with hi speed wifi...sorry
We trying contact with weatronic, but they can't help.
Their main electronic specialist go out from company at 2009, now their experience going down....
We have global trouble with weatronic transmitter modules. We are producing jet planes, and used 5 years weatronic production. More than 20 sets has been sold to our jet customers, and many recommended to buy. But at last 3 months we have 6 times returned our customers to us with same tx module trouble. No one plane has been crashed. Trouble in next. At first time seen of trouble.
After 10-15 minutes, module begin restarting or rebooting, such You turn On and Off transmitter. All 3 leds blinking, so no RF connection with receiver. It constantly repeating 1-2 times in minute, but it repeating more and more... After more 5 mins, it restarting nonstop....
So All 6(six ) weatronic making it same, if plug usb- it working normally.
All our weatronic soldered directly to tx adaptor. Firmware different on sets. 2.3 to 2.61.
One set is DV4, other 5 is old, DV3.
I have video, but cant upload right now, because problems with hi speed wifi...sorry
We trying contact with weatronic, but they can't help.
Their main electronic specialist go out from company at 2009, now their experience going down....
07-06-2014, 02:45 PM
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This is a fourth module on 14MZ transmitter.
Other on Graupner mc-24, JR 10x, Futaba 9C, JR 9xii and one more MC-24...
Link on video Weatronic Fail: http://youtu.be/q6M3vTdOH7s
Other on Graupner mc-24, JR 10x, Futaba 9C, JR 9xii and one more MC-24...
Link on video Weatronic Fail: http://youtu.be/q6M3vTdOH7s
07-06-2014, 06:13 PM
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This is a fourth module on 14MZ transmitter.
Other on Graupner mc-24, JR 10x, Futaba 9C, JR 9xii and one more MC-24...
Link on video Weatronic Fail: http://youtu.be/q6M3vTdOH7s
Other on Graupner mc-24, JR 10x, Futaba 9C, JR 9xii and one more MC-24...
Link on video Weatronic Fail: http://youtu.be/q6M3vTdOH7s
argentin,
Logic tells me you must have some thing set up wrong since this is not a common problem and you have 5 sets doing the same thing. I have 3 micro receivers and have used them for 4 years and the only problem I had was setting my 9C to PCM once by mistake. I flew a couple of flights set to PCM and I was getting repeaded fail safes during the flight but did not crash.