fireblade5437

Mike

My only concern is that if these items were only a few weeks away why bother to release without etc?

I feel that these other software items that are on the list could be months away, they know people are getting impatient

They do not even give a date when they are likely to be available for download!
Also will you be expected to still pay full price?

What do you think?

Alan

luv2flyrc

My Feedback: (6)

Alan, I'm with you. I have no interest in paying that much for something that is marginally operational. No voice, no gizmo support, no data recording, no gyros, etc. Those are very key features for me. I'm afraid a DX-18 is more functional at this stage. We know how long it can take for Wea to get things done , deadlines mean nothing. So, you could be sitting with a half baked Tx for quite some time. I'll wait it out until its complete before purchasing.

Mike

HarryC

My Feedback: (1)

There is also the risk, which would be true with any business not just Weatronic, that it goes out of business before the updates are available, and you are left with a very expensive incomplete Tx that will never be completed.

richbran

Not quite uncommon that complex stuff is dropped in the market with "some" issues to be resolved, ask Boeing and Airbus....
As long as the hardware and the software basics are OK, it is a choice for the customer when to step in.
I guess (read: hope...) the customers that decide to buy now, will be treated with respect by WEA and get super service/assistance it they report bugs, which will be there for sure.


What are the alternatives:

• Continue with your (ever getting) older TX plus WEA adapter (DV3?). You probably know all the strong points and weaknesses by now. If the current possibilities are OK for You, stay with that and wait one or two more years. I used to have my FC28 TXs checked every 2 Years, just to have a better feeling with those older electronics. Not that a new one can't fail.
• To extend Your waiting time till the product is more complete, switch over to an intermediate (other brand) TX with WEA adapter (which I did with buying used FX30's and installing DV4's). Costs money, new learning curve, new programming of all Your models, new test flights, new surprises...Loose money again when selling those items off in one or two Years. But at least You have "new" transmitters. Some of my models really benefited with the fresh reprogramming, now with more experience and insight in my bag. I tried to use WEA now to its max and only programmed items in the transmitter if WEA could not fit there, like switchable mixers. Or Expo, that is way easier to set up in a TX as programming a sinus in WEA.
• Switch over to another system. Loose money selling used WEA stuff, pay a lot for new systems. New learning curve, new surprises.
• Leave this hobby (Cheapest option, however that depends also on the new one You might take up )

_Dutchy_

I think that would be the big question indeed.
Why spend 1600,- euro just to show other people that you finally have the new BAT TX? But when peeps ask you to actually show the nice advantages on which you have waited many years you need to refer to all the specs it can do......someday in the unknown future.
But now it just looks good and you can show that you are one of the elites in ownership of the long awaited almost mythical WEA BAT's, solved that horrible patch lead but effectively can't do much more than average Joe's 300,- euro (by now bug-free) MC20 Hott TX
You know that you will, just like with the RX in the early days, most likely need to run upgrades monthly or bi-monthly during the first year.

In my respect it would have been a better deal and most likely would have generated more money and feedback if they would have launched a lesser model TX at first without all gimmicks (so basically the TX which will be available now) at a less price and launch a more extensive type with all bells and stuff at a higher price later.
In the meantime more peeps would have likely already bought that TX, got the experience with it and needed feedback to get most of the bugs out already in benefit of the bigger more expensive model.
They just tried to stuff too many gimmicks in at once, clogging up all progress for years and years, only to be able to launch the "Mother of all transmitters" as to be their first TX.
And with that also risking that peeps just simply lose interest in this TX.
Of course you will always have the risk that peeps only would stick to this el cheapo model but those people are less likely to buy the big 1600,- euro TX anyway.
The people who nowadays buy e.g. MC32's or FX40's would most likely buy such a 1600,- euro TX anyway since they are the ones who need and would use all of the benefits.
Be honest, if somebody would buy a FX-40 the purchase would be based upon 50% look-at-me-with-this-kickass-TX and 50% I-really-need-this-TX and of the buyers:
80% would be like "I make enough money not needing to care about this amount of money so who cares".
20% would be like "If I don't go on holidays this year and save money I can buy this TX to use for the next 20 years".
Peeps flying large scale gliders or large bi-turbine jets.........1600,- euro for a TX is pocket money compared to the price of their models.
They most likely wouldn't mind to at first buy something usable for lesser money and later buy the real deal as well.
But no, just wait and wait and develop more and more to put in that TX with in the end 2 possible scenarios, a major fail or a moderate to nice succes.
Perhaps there might be a reason that e.g. BMW first launches the new 5-series family and business editions and later adds the M-series for the happy few to the array?

In fact I'm doing quite similar to Richard, I got 2 FX 30's now running on DV4(BT).
Except for the location of the trims I love this TX regarding functionality, usability and overall looks/shape.
The extra functions the 1600,- euro BAT would give me, simply doesn't weigh up to the extra costs in my case.
So unless Wea would come with a TX priced like the old FX-30 prices............I won't buy it (and they need to work on the design too ).

But hey, just my 2 cents.

_Dutchy_

Hmm, just makes me wonder.....what if this BAT 6X already is the basic model....and that they will expand the array with their "M" or more correct the "W-series" later??
Then the prices will pass the old FX-40 2400,- euro line quite easily............but I wonder if we would all get to live that long to see it actually being launched

sidgates

My Feedback: (2)

Edgar Perez,
I sent you and email and it bounced back so resent. I am not ignoring you.

roger.alli

Well… no doubt a lot of what is said above is correct, however…

I’m just glad that we are moving forward. This has to be good news.

I really want Weatronics to be successful. Not just because I already own a bit of Wea equipment, but I truly believe that it has a significant advantage over other systems.

I imagine the entire future of Weatronics depends on this Tx being successful. They have a lot riding on it.

Edgar Perez

My Feedback: (13)

Guys,
So I opened the configuration worksheet they have attached, and have a some question on the switches. Maybe some of you know.
- What is the "2 position safety switch on-off" (number 2 in the switches option)
- There is a "2 position switch with momentary on-off-(on)" [Number 5] and a "Momentary (on)-off" [Number 7]. What is the difference?
- There is no mention of the "innovative gas-brake handle adjustment". Is that standard for all Tx?

_Dutchy_

As I read it the #7 momentary switch looks to me like a 'spring return' switch just like a button.
It doesn't stay in the 2nd position but automatically (spring) returns to the #1 position so to speak.
The #5 switch looks to me like a 2(3) position switch position 1 = on, pos. 2 = off and then you also got a 3rd spring return / button position.
So a switch with integrated button function.

Schalter = switch with fixed positions
Taster = switch with (push)button position

No clue what they mean with the safety part of the #2 switch though and I hope you can understand my explenation since I need to translate it from Dutchgerman to English.

olnico

Dutchy is correct about the switches.
The ratchet with brake ramp comes standard with the transmitter as a separate ratchet, very easy to swap.

sidgates

My Feedback: (2)

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Oli,
I am still looking for information on the Taranis "Kit" How many channels do you get using the JR Adapter in the Taranis? Can Ultimate supply the adapter and/or complete kit?

Sid

olnico

The kit will comprise of the JR adapter, a blue patch cable, a DV4 module, a micro 12 receiver the carbon fiber antenna mount as well as the transmitter.
You get up to 28 channels using both the weatronic adapter and Taranis module.

We can supply a short kit without the transmitter.

Edgar Perez

My Feedback: (13)

Hi _Dutchy_
Thanks. Your English is infinitely better than my Dutch!

_Dutchy_

Well, first test don't show the same problems but they act the same

I need your help on this one:


During a short test of my motor I encountered above error codes. I know the 136 and 168 codes which only last for a second ain't that much to worry about but what makes me wonder is why my engine stops at those moments (failsave) whilst these fail saves don't show in the log files??
A most likely not even 1 second hickup shouldn't make it impossible to fly but you can understand that this automatic start-stop system doesn't help much when climbing out to height? That just sucks.
I really don't get it.

By know I have exchanged:
- servo's
- TX
- ESC
- RX
- Module
- Adapter
- patch leads
- send all my crap to Wea to be checked out (nothing was found)

Looks like I need to wait for Alans patch leads before I get to test and hopefully fly again.
But I doubt that does work or improve things though since the f-ed up thing is...........when I run Weatronic on my old faithfull FF9.........................not a single error code!!
So it looks like Weatronic doesn't like my FX30's (knowing that Richard is using Weatronic in combo with FX30's without any issues)?

I'll run some tests without the E-sensor later today or tomorrow, perhaps that helps?
It really blows my mind why failsave doesn't show on the log files but the motor stops for that second (not even swinging large blades on a gearbox but those 100 - 0 - 100% hick ups don't sound too good either ).

Otherwise I think you will get the chance to buy some Weatronic stuff for a nice price soon......

BR.
Paul

fireblade5437

Paul

Just got back from hospital, got to go back tomorrow for scan then back in for operation on Sunday so if I feel like I can do the leads I will try and do on Saturday
Was going to have op last Sunday but consultant wanted to see if break would settle, when I had X-Ray today it was very clear it has not with a 2.5-3mm gap :-(

Alan

_Dutchy_

Hello Alan,

Don't worry about my leads too much, your well being is more important.
I have been strugling with Wea too long anyway, That extra time is just peanuts compared by the many hours of flying I have lost due to this crap.

Just decided to simply also buy some Futaba receivers and telemetry sensors.
I'll just return to the RC components for the working class............those RC-components which actually work.
So then I will have Wea to show off with and Futaba actually to fly with

PS; a 3mm gap can heal quite fast but the older we get the longer it takes it seems.

roger.alli

Hi Paul,

This looks very similar to an known issue that “used” to affect firmware 2.5*.. I thought it had been fixed with release 2.63..

If you look at the screen shot below, you will see a similar problem with my equipment . Moments of frame rate loss and low RSSI, both Rx and Tx.. This was a bench test, not an actual flight, (The equipment was actually just sitting on the beach, with no on in the room!!! ) I have lots of files like this, and some actual flights where this was happening!!!


These are actual instances of losing control, the Rx does go into fail safe. !!!

The reason that no fails safe is recorded, is BECAUSE THE DOWN LINK IS ALSO DISABLED AT THIS TIME!!! (The Micro Rx failsafe function is actually quite useless!! . I have reported this here before). I have a 12-22 Rx which also recorded instances of these glitches.. As the 12-22 records to an on board SD card, the data on this card does show a fail safe when this glitch happens.

Why this happens.... No one has ever been able to explain to me.

I nearly gave up on the system altogether because of this,,, However since ver 2.63 was released, the issue seems to have completely gone away. I thought they had fixed it.. .
It greatly concerns me to see that you are having these very short glitches, while using Ver 2.63.

Roger

tms-ger

Hi Roger and Paul,

just a short question: Is this phenomenon reproduceable ? So that a code developer can definately trace in this and see whats going on there ? If so, I think Wea is highly interested
in removing this issue if possible... (if this does not rely on the FX30 itself)

And regarding Futaba, a few month ago, I talked to friend who flies Futaba for years and still does in several types of planes. He had some short FS (hold) with his jet when he turned around at the end of the flightline. He doesnt know why and has no chance to see any logfiles at all. Just still using this equipment and accepting it as a "system feature"...
What I want to say is: Use what you want to use and feels best for you, but do not expect there are no issues with other systems. You find discussions about "crap" in the forums for every other brand... I can understand your uncomfortable situation, but due to your special problem you can not say that Wea is crap. That is unfair like I would say your setup is simply crap... That does not lead to a real solution. (But of course may be for you in your special situation).


best regards

Thomas

_Dutchy_

Halleluja !!
And I figured I was the only one on earth with this particular problem between all of them happy campers who are using Wea without any problems at all and therefore state that I only want to talk bad about Wea.

I have send my logfiles and stuff to Weatronic (Jens Ackermann) but the only thing I have been getting as reply is "Buy a new patch lead and see if that will help" or "Try without the E-sensor".
Well, after 3 new patch leads I had experience enough to reply to Wea that their patch leads are horribly crap and don't cause this problem (but a load of other problems).
I also flew other models without the linkvario and sensors and so ....same problem there.



I looked a little closer yesterday evening and if you look within the circles of above picture you (and I) see what you mean by losing the down link.
It isn't logged indeed....it just vanished for a second

With my ancient Futaba 9TCAP / Field Force 9 it seems that I haven't got these problems.
But unfortunately this TX isn't capable (at least not on an easy way) to fly an almost full house E-glider. Tool limited in programming but most important in available channels.
Difference can be that this FF9 is just a 35mHz TX where both FX30's are Fasst TX's.
Richard is using FX30's and Wea as well but hasn't got any issues

And I have been at the verge of throwing all of the Wea things into a bin and burn it.
I'm the only one flying Wea at my club, most others fly the el cheapo Futaba's or Graupners, some fly the MC32 and some more expensive Futaba's.
They just come at the field, get their gear out and go flying. The only worry they have is to keep track of their TX and RX batteries.
Myself however..........
But by now I have invested quite some money in adapters, modules, receivers, Vario's, sensors....

I will try to re-install the WEA firmware today and check on the FX30 software versions but don't think it will help a lot (since updating the Wea TX firmware is the easiest part and both FX30's are supposed to be on the latest version already).
Wea didn't come up with a solution or possible cause during the last 18 months or so and doesn't reply to me anymore anyway so I guess that leaves me left out in the dark here. Really professional too btw.

It's funny though that you can find incidents where people have lost their models due to glitches and hardware failures (leads) on the internet and those peeps were using Wea.
Knowing that there are more people flying Futaba, Hott, Jeti, etc.etc. you would expect to read more about losses through using those systems (since Wea claims to be the top of the line when it comes to innovativity, security and quality etc.).........but you don't.
Also knowing that the majority of Weatronic users fly the more expensive models makes it harder to understand why Wea sometimes reacts so oblivious. I heard of somebody losing a 19k USD glider due to a 5 USD SD card, multiple 2k USD gliders have vanished because of the leads, some jets have died in action.

OK, I fully understand that there are a lot of people who fly around using Wea without any problems but dang.....the amount of people who do have issues big and small, compared to the same ratio at the other brands does worry me a bit.
So for that reason alone I wouldn't want to be a crash test dummy to already buy the unfinished BAT transmitters.

BR.
Paul

_Dutchy_

Hello Thomas,

That shows the internet isn't big enough or too big to have read about similar problems with other brands,
But I do agree with you that burning down a supplier doesn't help.
On the other hand Wea hasn't shown any real interest in solving my problem though.
But OK, let's just stick to the subject and continue talking about the glitches and stuff.

BR.
Paul

David Gladwin

I really don't know what is going on here because I haven't (yet) experienced the problem, even with Micros where I can also monitor any failsafes by the JetCat ECU.

I am now using the patch antennae on my 12-22s after a trial with one standard aerial and one patch. If you are at all concerned with Rf strength the patches, correctly located and orientated to form a spherical reception area may well be, is, the way to go, it seems to significantly further improve Rf strength.

To call them crap is a bit bizarre, they work extremely well for me, and the logfile numbers prove it.

............and a word of warning SOME SD cards can cause odd reactions on both Txs and Rxs. On Wednesday one of my Txs would not boot up, removed the SD card. all well.

Put the SD card into my laptop, it got VERY hot. One SD card would not allow me to switch off a 12-22, other brands work just fine. I think the problem is that the units look first at what is on the card (as when updating software) . If it does not get sense it simple fails to operate normally. Perhaps this MAY be the cause of the problem, don't know but worth considering based on my experience.

David.

_Dutchy_

Thomas,

I'm a simple end user, I don't need to nor can't reproduce things and work together with code developers.
Of course I would like to help and on a certain academic method work to a solution but after spended/wasted so much time I don't have the feeling that it should be just my problem to get this solved.
Those guys in Germany are, in my respect so tied up on the BAT transmitters that they rely on standard answers like: send in your gear, change patch lead, your sent in log file looks OK to us, your sent in logfile is too short to say something.

It's great weather here you know....last weekend many peeps at the club made enough thermal hours.
Forecast looks great too for the coming week.

Too bad that I have the choice between:
- Sit in the back garden and enjoy the weather,
- Go out flying, try to keep it up in the sky between glitches and risk losing a model (or simply kill somebody when 4,5 kg of glider crashes into a person at 1xx km/h),

Regarding the FX30,
In my case it seems to be a FX30 related problem since 2 FX30's show similar issues but:
- Richard uses FX30's without issues
- I don't have any other Fasst transmitters to compare with.

olnico

Hello Paul. As I have less workload at the moment, I am looking at your issue.
Could you send me the log file of this test by email please?
I have lots of blue patch cables in stock by the way.

_Dutchy_

Hello Oli,

I need to run for a meeting but I'll send you this file (if you PM me your email address?)
The patch cables are already ordered at Alan, that will be dealt with. No worries but thanks for the offer tho.

BR.
Paul