Weatronic 2.4 RF diagnostic tool
03-09-2016, 11:11 AM
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Oli, thanks yes you are quite correct, but cash to keep operating is the most important thing in a business and it appears that unfortunately
Weatronic are now having difficulties in this regard.
I have been a great supporter for Weatronic in the past, but I am starting to feel that other manufacturers, such as Jeti, have caught up and now passed Weatronic, with their wide range of receivers and add on items.
Ross
Weatronic are now having difficulties in this regard.
I have been a great supporter for Weatronic in the past, but I am starting to feel that other manufacturers, such as Jeti, have caught up and now passed Weatronic, with their wide range of receivers and add on items.
Ross
03-10-2016, 05:10 AM
#2752
I don't know a great deal, BUT don't write off Weatronics any time soon. I believe and hope they will be back, better and stronger.
I have recently spent a great deal of time learning my BAT 60, the more I explore it the more impressed I become and the new manual helps enormously, the system DOES take some learning and change of culture, just as many of us in the airline industry had to adapt to the new technology of the FMS airliners in the 80s, now, of course, standard equipment.
It it would be one hell of a shame to waste the huge amount of effort and dedication by some very clever people, which has gone into this system, which I still believe is ahead of all others in many important respects, except stick smoothness which is not a patch on my JR. 28x, another exceptional radio.
..........But I am working on that and new moulded cams may be the answer!
Here's hoping it all works out.
David.
I have recently spent a great deal of time learning my BAT 60, the more I explore it the more impressed I become and the new manual helps enormously, the system DOES take some learning and change of culture, just as many of us in the airline industry had to adapt to the new technology of the FMS airliners in the 80s, now, of course, standard equipment.
It it would be one hell of a shame to waste the huge amount of effort and dedication by some very clever people, which has gone into this system, which I still believe is ahead of all others in many important respects, except stick smoothness which is not a patch on my JR. 28x, another exceptional radio.
..........But I am working on that and new moulded cams may be the answer!
Here's hoping it all works out.
David.
03-10-2016, 05:58 AM
#2753
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I don't know a great deal, BUT don't write off Weatronics any time soon. I believe and hope they will be back, better and stronger.
I have recently spent a great deal of time learning my BAT 60, the more I explore it the more impressed I become and the new manual helps enormously, the system DOES take some learning and change of culture, just as many of us in the airline industry had to adapt to the new technology of the FMS airliners in the 80s, now, of course, standard equipment.
It it would be one hell of a shame to waste the huge amount of effort and dedication by some very clever people, which has gone into this system, which I still believe is ahead of all others in many important respects, except stick smoothness which is not a patch on my JR. 28x, another exceptional radio.
..........But I am working on that and new moulded cams may be the answer!
Here's hoping it all works out.
David.
I have recently spent a great deal of time learning my BAT 60, the more I explore it the more impressed I become and the new manual helps enormously, the system DOES take some learning and change of culture, just as many of us in the airline industry had to adapt to the new technology of the FMS airliners in the 80s, now, of course, standard equipment.
It it would be one hell of a shame to waste the huge amount of effort and dedication by some very clever people, which has gone into this system, which I still believe is ahead of all others in many important respects, except stick smoothness which is not a patch on my JR. 28x, another exceptional radio.
..........But I am working on that and new moulded cams may be the answer!
Here's hoping it all works out.
David.
Some of the ball get dirt during production process and grind a bit when new.
The way to get rid of it is to wash it off several times from both side with WD40 and wipe off the dirty fluid.
A high gloss polish can also be beneficial by putting a drop of chrome polishing fluid and a drop of WD40 together, then turn the stick several times , then wipe off/ dry off.
In any case, the uniball system must be kept dry/ free of grease. TEflon dry lubricant from Dupont is acceptable.
03-10-2016, 06:33 AM
#2754
Thanks for that Oli , will give it a try. I have certainly noticed things are getting a bit smoother with use.
David.
PS Tried it but without opening the case, so front of balls only. The result is MUCH smoother sticks !
Just need the gyro programme now !
David.
PS Tried it but without opening the case, so front of balls only. The result is MUCH smoother sticks !
Just need the gyro programme now !
Last edited by David Gladwin; 03-10-2016 at 06:58 AM.
03-10-2016, 07:30 AM
#2755
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Yesterday I was doing a test run of my turbine engine and experienced a flame out just as I started to increase throttle from idle. Not finding any reason such as air bubbles I looked at the Wea log file and the log file shows receiver status changed to "200" at the time of shut down. I haven't figured out what the "200" status means. Anyone ?
I thought maybe I was swamping the receiver so this morning I turned on the transmitter approx. 10ft away from the receiver and walked up to the receiver (within 6 inches) and then looked at this log file. It reports receiver status of "136" at time of swamp and frames go to zero on both receivers. Based on this test I don't think I was swamping the Micro 10 receiver yesterday.
I thought maybe I was swamping the receiver so this morning I turned on the transmitter approx. 10ft away from the receiver and walked up to the receiver (within 6 inches) and then looked at this log file. It reports receiver status of "136" at time of swamp and frames go to zero on both receivers. Based on this test I don't think I was swamping the Micro 10 receiver yesterday.
03-10-2016, 09:33 AM
#2756
Status numbers are cumulative, so 8 (HF connection uni or bidirectional ) plus 64 (battery low) plus 128 (rx on unidirectional ) equals 200 which suggests to me screening or swamping. (0r a low battery !)
136 means 8, HF connection, 128 Rx is on unidirectional mode. Total 136 !
These codes are on the Wea web site and are essential for all Wea users to know what is going in in their equipment !
136 means 8, HF connection, 128 Rx is on unidirectional mode. Total 136 !
These codes are on the Wea web site and are essential for all Wea users to know what is going in in their equipment !
03-10-2016, 02:49 PM
#2757
Hi David,
Weas current business woes aside, this is the reason I have not updated to the Bat system.
The Bat 60 lack gyro functionality is incomprehensible.
What are we expected to do, spend E1700 on a new Bat 60, and then go out and purchase a Cortex Demon or Igyro. While all my current Wea receivers have gyros in built, which I paid good money for.
Gyros are now an integral part of any high end radio system. Weatronics have had plenty of time to address this on the Bat. .
Weatronic's approach to their market mystifies me.
Weas current business woes aside, this is the reason I have not updated to the Bat system.
The Bat 60 lack gyro functionality is incomprehensible.
What are we expected to do, spend E1700 on a new Bat 60, and then go out and purchase a Cortex Demon or Igyro. While all my current Wea receivers have gyros in built, which I paid good money for.
Gyros are now an integral part of any high end radio system. Weatronics have had plenty of time to address this on the Bat. .
Weatronic's approach to their market mystifies me.
03-10-2016, 09:16 PM
#2758
SidGates,
I learn all the time, "swamping" was not in my (euro, non anglo native) vocabulary, but I get it.
I too had some problems with erratic jet engine behaviour, but indeed that was due to a too close proximity with my Xmtr to the receiver.
As the RPM fluctuated, I just saw the lights of my antenna flicker.
12-22 RX with one Patch and one pigtail antenna.
Just keep the Xmtr about one meter away from the receiver/antennae
I learn all the time, "swamping" was not in my (euro, non anglo native) vocabulary, but I get it.
I too had some problems with erratic jet engine behaviour, but indeed that was due to a too close proximity with my Xmtr to the receiver.
As the RPM fluctuated, I just saw the lights of my antenna flicker.
12-22 RX with one Patch and one pigtail antenna.
Just keep the Xmtr about one meter away from the receiver/antennae
03-11-2016, 01:13 AM
#2759
Hi David,
Weas current business woes aside, this is the reason I have not updated to the Bat system.
The Bat 60 lack gyro functionality is incomprehensible.
What are we expected to do, spend E1700 on a new Bat 60, and then go out and purchase a Cortex Demon or Igyro. While all my current Wea receivers have gyros in built, which I paid good money for.
Gyros are now an integral part of any high end radio system. Weatronics have had plenty of time to address this on the Bat. .
Weatronic's approach to their market mystifies me.
Weas current business woes aside, this is the reason I have not updated to the Bat system.
The Bat 60 lack gyro functionality is incomprehensible.
What are we expected to do, spend E1700 on a new Bat 60, and then go out and purchase a Cortex Demon or Igyro. While all my current Wea receivers have gyros in built, which I paid good money for.
Gyros are now an integral part of any high end radio system. Weatronics have had plenty of time to address this on the Bat. .
Weatronic's approach to their market mystifies me.
I agree with you on that point, and it's why my BAT is not in any of my jets yet, they all have gyros and are working very well with my earlier Wea modular system with 12Xs
The new manual says the gyro programme is coming soon ! We'll see but it IS urgently required.
David.
03-11-2016, 01:43 AM
#2760
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Hi David,
Weas current business woes aside, this is the reason I have not updated to the Bat system.
The Bat 60 lack gyro functionality is incomprehensible.
What are we expected to do, spend E1700 on a new Bat 60, and then go out and purchase a Cortex Demon or Igyro. While all my current Wea receivers have gyros in built, which I paid good money for.
Gyros are now an integral part of any high end radio system. Weatronics have had plenty of time to address this on the Bat. .
Weatronic's approach to their market mystifies me.
Weas current business woes aside, this is the reason I have not updated to the Bat system.
The Bat 60 lack gyro functionality is incomprehensible.
What are we expected to do, spend E1700 on a new Bat 60, and then go out and purchase a Cortex Demon or Igyro. While all my current Wea receivers have gyros in built, which I paid good money for.
Gyros are now an integral part of any high end radio system. Weatronics have had plenty of time to address this on the Bat. .
Weatronic's approach to their market mystifies me.
03-11-2016, 06:23 AM
#2762
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SidGates,
I learn all the time, "swamping" was not in my (euro, non anglo native) vocabulary, but I get it.
I too had some problems with erratic jet engine behaviour, but indeed that was due to a too close proximity with my Xmtr to the receiver.
As the RPM fluctuated, I just saw the lights of my antenna flicker.
12-22 RX with one Patch and one pigtail antenna.
Just keep the Xmtr about one meter away from the receiver/antennae
I learn all the time, "swamping" was not in my (euro, non anglo native) vocabulary, but I get it.
I too had some problems with erratic jet engine behaviour, but indeed that was due to a too close proximity with my Xmtr to the receiver.
As the RPM fluctuated, I just saw the lights of my antenna flicker.
12-22 RX with one Patch and one pigtail antenna.
Just keep the Xmtr about one meter away from the receiver/antennae
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David & Richard,
Thanks for your reply. I had the Tx at approx. 3ft away but may have been too close. Also I had built a new test stand and not thinking I had the Rx, the Data Terminal and ECU very close to the receiver. I will separate them today and retest.
03-11-2016, 10:11 AM
#2763
I suspect many have done the same and this is why Wea is in their current position. They have a very "unique" business model
Mike
03-11-2016, 01:01 PM
#2764
A very interesting comment because I never really found any shortcomings and HUGE advantages in the system which is why (almost) all, I have 28x, another superb radio, in one jet model, my entire fleet is configured with Weatronics. (everthing from a twin JetCat Mig 29 down to a T28 foamie and my grandson's electric Tomboy), I really do have the utmost confidence in the system, based on a huge amount of experience with it. As I have said many times before, my choice to use Weatronics is based purely on technical merit and its shear ability.
I am going to hang on in because if, when they add gyro function to the BAT it will be a truly awesome system, its already pretty damned good, but its culture takes time and patience to learn.
David.
I am going to hang on in because if, when they add gyro function to the BAT it will be a truly awesome system, its already pretty damned good, but its culture takes time and patience to learn.
David.
03-11-2016, 01:29 PM
#2765
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03-11-2016, 01:45 PM
#2766
A very interesting comment because I never really found any shortcomings and HUGE advantages in the system which is why (almost) all, I have 28x, another superb radio, in one jet model, my entire fleet is configured with Weatronics. (everthing from a twin JetCat Mig 29 down to a T28 foamie and my grandson's electric Tomboy), I really do have the utmost confidence in the system, based on a huge amount of experience with it. As I have said many times before, my choice to use Weatronics is based purely on technical merit and its shear ability.
I am going to hang on in because if, when they add gyro function to the BAT it will be a truly awesome system, its already pretty damned good, but its culture takes time and patience to learn.
David.
I am going to hang on in because if, when they add gyro function to the BAT it will be a truly awesome system, its already pretty damned good, but its culture takes time and patience to learn.
David.
*Refusal to "fix" the problematic patch cable from the module adapter to the DV-4 ( Required an aftermarket fix by one of the users here)
*8 control channel limitation when using my 12xMV because it had to be used in PPM mode. Use of it in PCM mode gives 10 channel operation but, very choppy servo movement. Problems with USA based Futaba equipment eliminated that brand as an option to combo with Wea.
*gyro's glitched in turbine jets, I'm not the only one to report this. Made the gyro's useless to me.
*Only one sensor at a time can be used unless you choose to add a MUX box hub. (costly and takes up more real-estate). I think this is a poor solution for the addition of sensors.
* no compatible turbine telemetry systems were available for Weatronic. All other major brands have them. Jeti allows total elimination of the GSU.
*The BAT 60 (which I was on a waiting list for) was delayed over 2 years. When it was finally released it was offered "half baked". It still isn't capable of fully replacing the module system ie. no gyro support. and it might never be now.
*RF logs are filled with "bogus, fill numbers" that are plugged in when RF drops out. Makes it challenging to get accurate info from the logs if a problem arrises. If they would read as "0" or blank, it would be more clear.
*Communication with the company was always horrendous.
Those things were enough for me to move away, particularly because Jeti offered some of the things that i did like about the Wea system. specifically Redundant RFand data logging. They have moved forward at a blinding pace while Wea has crawled.
Mike
Last edited by luv2flyrc; 03-12-2016 at 04:27 AM.
03-11-2016, 03:57 PM
#2767
It's actually quite well thought out. I use one on 3d helis and wouldn't change for that. I haven't tried it on fixed wings. Although the reports from users are good, I have everything fixed wing dialed in on my 18Mz. Having said that, I'm seriously considering a BAT60, primarily for the telemetry options, but also because it looks like they are nailing the programming interface.
03-11-2016, 09:15 PM
#2768
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Mikado Vbar Control with Neo flight controller (rx)
It's actually quite well thought out. I use one on 3d helis and wouldn't change for that. I haven't tried it on fixed wings. Although the reports from users are good, I have everything fixed wing dialed in on my 18Mz. Having said that, I'm seriously considering a BAT60, primarily for the telemetry options, but also because it looks like they are nailing the programming interface.
It's actually quite well thought out. I use one on 3d helis and wouldn't change for that. I haven't tried it on fixed wings. Although the reports from users are good, I have everything fixed wing dialed in on my 18Mz. Having said that, I'm seriously considering a BAT60, primarily for the telemetry options, but also because it looks like they are nailing the programming interface.
This is a recent product running on Open Tx that I had not seen mostly because it is a heli radio.
I had a quick look at the plane version, it seems limited in functionalities and with an extremely intricate programming.
03-18-2016, 01:31 AM
#2769
Powerbox Systems Germany takes over Weatronic.
Breaking News from the MODELLTECH fair in Sinsheim: PowerBox Systems takes over Weatronic!
As from this morning, normal operations and business continues: availability and Service is now guaranteed for the future.
Breaking News from the MODELLTECH fair in Sinsheim: PowerBox Systems takes over Weatronic!
As from this morning, normal operations and business continues: availability and Service is now guaranteed for the future.
03-18-2016, 02:17 AM
#2771
Good news indeed, Emmerich Deutsch has made Powerbox a solid player in the model flying field, hopefully he can turn the WEA product into one that also generates a profit, because without that nothing survives.
Orders are still being processed, however slow, but I got my order yesterday.
Orders are still being processed, however slow, but I got my order yesterday.
03-18-2016, 05:31 AM
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Very very nice to hear. Really had no doubts that it would work out, but it would go this fast is surprising but nevertheless very good for all parties.
/Ville
/Ville
03-18-2016, 05:59 AM
#2774
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http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fpv-...o-systems.html
Big players in the industry know that and it shows!
03-18-2016, 07:49 AM
#2775
PowerBox plus Weatronic, a perfect match, top class German electronic engineering and all managed in Germany. Add to this Emerich Deutche's proven marketing expertise and customer service, this has to be a world leading combination.
Congratulations all round.
David Gladwin
Congratulations all round.
David Gladwin