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    RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil

    No.. the real problem is someone stealing another person's work. The price is irrelevant, as is the company in question. Stealing is the real issue here, and the cloning/splashing of someone else's work is nothing but stealing.
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    RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil


    ORIGINAL: Doug Cronkhite

    No.. the real problem is someone stealing another person's work. The price is irrelevant, as is the company in question. Stealing is the real issue here, and the cloning/splashing of someone else's work is nothing but stealing.
    Agreed, IMHO buying a clone also amounts to stealing.
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    RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil

    No doubt !
    Its only highlighted when big money involved.
    Other than that people dont say a word !
    People dont usually sweat the small stuff.


    No matter what, big money or small money the principle remains the same.





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    RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil

    disagree almost everything is cloned today cars,clothes,the list goes on its just a way of life.When the smoke clears may the better product prevail simple
    kingtight~,~

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    RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil

    Well sorry to say but that just determines your position on the evolutionary scale of civiliasation.
    ORIGINAL: kingtight

    disagree almost everything is cloned today cars,clothes,the list goes on its just a way of life.When the smoke clears may the better product prevail simple

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    RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil

    Hello guys,

    The factory clones continue at full power. The website is www.gugumodels.com.br. All planes are clones. Jets, pattern planes, giants 3d planes etc.. Clone carden, aeroworks, ZN line, skymaster, BVM, etc..

    See this http://www.aspraer.com/modules/newbb...d=199&forum=10... sell the kit at R$4.500,00 or US$2.500,00. This kit is better original BVM.







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    RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil

    The only thing worse than copying someone else's design for profit is being so brazenly proud of it.
    Shameful to say the least.
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    RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil

    For what its worth, those texts on the model are made with photoshop, no real text on the model...
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    RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil


    ORIGINAL: SDCrashmaster

    The only thing worse than copying someone else's design for profit is being so brazenly proud of it.
    Shameful to say the least.
    I agree but, our world i strange....

    Pharmacutical companies are protected by law during <10years after releasing a new drug after spending millions in research. Then Copy medicine is available on the same shelf in the drug store at a lower price.
    Anyone here taking Non original medicine?

    Moral is good, double moral twice as good......

    By the way, I allways buy original products no matter what.

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    RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil

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    RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil

    If someone decided to "clone" a F-100, or a A-4 or an F-16, Wouldnt that be cloning? People have been doing that since rc jets were born. Why is it ok for manufacturers to "clone" these kind of jets but the day someone clones a Bandit people go crazy. There have been many people who have cloned smaller identical versions of Bandits but no one says anything then.

    I think if someone wants to put time and effort to build their own molds and produce an airplane that looks similar to a Bandit or any other airplane they have the right to do so. More power to you dude!

    My two cents.

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    RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil

    I guarantee you this guys "clone" will not put a dent on BV sales on his bandits. Clearly from what all you are saying here, so just leave the guy alone. If you wanna buy his jet buy it, if you dont, then dont. Plain and simple.

    "If you dont wanna hear airplanes flying over your house all the time, Dont buy a house near the airport"

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    RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil

    Hi Friends:

    Do you see my home made Bandit in lost mold technique ???

    In short time I will make another version with molds.

    http://picasaweb.google.com/cmjets2007/MiBandit#

    Best Regards from Spain.

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    RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil

    For me a lot depends on how much the original products cost & whether the original is an absolute rip off.

    A report on television in Oz told of how Von Dutch clothing would no longer be officially distributed in Oz because of lost sales due to asian clones of their products as opposed to asian 'genuine' products.

    A cloned baseball cap - $20, the 'genuine' Von Dutch baseball cap - $120. Yep, $120.

    Perhaps if the manufacturers, importers, distributors, & retailers were not so outrageously greedy & sold the genuine products for
    something like a sensible price they would not have to worry about clones. Models too. - John.

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    RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil

    Cost has nothing to do with whether this is stealing or not. When you take someone else's work, copy it, and sell it as your own, you're stealing. Simple as that.

    If people wouldn't buy the Von Dutch hat at $120, then they wouldn't be able to sell them for that amount.
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    RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil

    So here's a scenario.....

    Let's say I buy a kit from a manufacturer; I love the plane but am not too thrilled with the quality of their glass work so I use the kit fuselage/wings/stabs as a set of plugs and lay up my own molds. Using the molds I made, I now make myself a new fuselage/wings/stabs which are now lighter and stronger and the plane flies great. A buddy likes it so much, that he wants to buy one so I make and SELL him a set of wings/fuselage/stabs.

    Am I stealing from the original kit manufacturer? Would that be true only if it's a sport jet that the original manufacturer designed? What if it's an F-18 for instance? The original kit manufacturer didn't design the plane, they only scaled it down. I simply used the kit as a plug.

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    RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil

    Yes.. it is. You used THEIR effort (the original kit) to create your plug.
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    RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil


    ORIGINAL: rcjets_63

    So here's a scenario.....

    Let's say I buy a kit from a manufacturer; I love the plane but am not too thrilled with the quality of their glass work so I use the kit fuselage/wings/stabs as a set of plugs and lay up my own molds. Using the molds I made, I now make myself a new fuselage/wings/stabs which are now lighter and stronger and the plane flies great. A buddy likes it so much, that he wants to buy one so I make and SELL him a set of wings/fuselage/stabs.

    Am I stealing from the original kit manufacturer? Would that be true only if it's a sport jet that the original manufacturer designed? What if it's an F-18 for instance? The original kit manufacturer didn't design the plane, they only scaled it down. I simply used the kit as a plug.

    Jim
    I would only consider it stealing if you put the kit in production and begain to compete with the
    original kit manufacturer, However I think that would beyond the ability of most modelers in
    a cost effective way.

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    RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil

    If people wouldn't buy the Von Dutch hat at $120, then they wouldn't be able to sell them for that amount.
    I would have to agree with that & I think that's the case, the price for this stuff is so OTT that I would say that 99% of the Von Dutch clothing you see on the streets in Oz is non genuine and they are not selling any genuine, not making any money and have pulled out of the market. I don't think anyone is going to buy a chinese baseball cap for $120 regardless of who's logo is on it.
    Yes, the cloning is stealing, as opposed to being robbed by the price of the genuine article.

    A friend has recently bought a genuine BVM Bandit ARF & while it's good it could be better IMO. Still, he thought it was good value & is happy with it so in the end that's all that matters. - John.

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    RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil

    Hello guys!!

    See the factory process........ nice work!!!!!!

    http://www.gugumodels.com.br/fla/viper/viper.html

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    RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil

    why would i buy yours over the real thing from bvm?

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    RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil

    bvm stole his design,, from the ram guys..his boom junk was alberts

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    RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil



    Hello,


    The super bandit cloneis called Viper... see the photos on link below:

    http://www.gugumodels.com.br/gugu/in...103&Itemid=122


    This Jet is best then original BVM.


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    RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil

    Cost has nothing to do with whether this is stealing or not. When you take someone else's work, copy it, and sell it as your own, you're stealing. Simple as that.
    Well Doug,

    I have graphics guys stealing my art all the time. Couple even purchased graphics to have the stuff in hand. My Mulligan, and my Gee Bee stuff for sure.

    How do you stop it or prove it? Waste of time also.

    Guy has building talent though.
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    RE: BVM Bandit cloning in Brazil

    This happens all the time. Even among the big names.

    The cost is in the plug, the original master pattern. Time, talent, (not saying I have any), time, time.

    Once a composite model is sold, the design is out! The composite (good) fabricators can make anything really. Is it right? Is it right to do it for yourself? Should one buy every little thing for their hobby if they can make it?

    Nope, part of the hobby is making stuff for yourself.

    That is one big reason I/we don't sell our composite models. Plus, I/we don't do it for money, just the challenge and fun.

    Rule was, 10% change in design is new design.
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    My current project off scale drawings. Lots of labor involved.

    The $120.00 hat example. What can go wrong with a hat?

    Perfect example of human nature. Everybody want to save money. Well, everybody that wants to have some reserves.


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