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Old 12-30-2009, 05:03 AM
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Default RE: Tomahawk-Design Bae Hawk 1: 3.5

It's nice to see the big boys share the same opinion regarding weight.
There's a SG Hawk kit out there who has an appointment with my workshop, the owner wants it fully loaded.
I think he just about bought every scale detail he could find on the net. No way this one is going to be at the 20kg mark.
But for a moment he had me worried. As we walked past the Tomahawk stand at JP he saw a Hawk that was bigger than his, and I really don't have the time to built two!

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Old 12-30-2009, 05:20 AM
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Default RE: Tomahawk-Design Bae Hawk 1: 3.5

Guys,

Al is talking about my Hawk. I first built it with a 160 and small everything to hit the 20kg weight which I did with about an ounce to spare. I liked it but I then took the plunge to load it up with ordnance and cannon and bigger everything as well as re-engined it with a P180. The weight went up by 4kg and the difference was staggering - nothing specific, just soooo much better all round!

There is no way I'd bother getting the TomaHawk Hawk down to 20kg, I'd imagine my T Hawk will come in at around 26kg which I think is still a little light but suits me as I don't have that big a grass field to operate it in and out of. The slower it can come in the better, if i want it to look super scale (and this applies to the lighter SG Hawk too) then I'll just come in with a little more speed.

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Old 12-30-2009, 03:08 PM
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Default RE: Tomahawk-Design Bae Hawk 1: 3.5

i did the geardoors today.
it was a hel of a job to do it good.
everything is now fixed with a drup of zap clue and it wil be done with hysol aeropoxy
i make only one mistake, 1 hing is on the wrong side of the wood (dosn't really mather ithink)
Talking with my girl and building planes are not going together

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Old 12-31-2009, 06:14 AM
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Default RE: Tomahawk-Design Bae Hawk 1: 3.5

now i have done the nose gear frame install.
it is done with a drup of zap and it wil be clued with hysol



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You're making good progress. Do you vacuum before every photo?

Please can you do me a favour and measure the gap between the main gear door openings for me??
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Default RE: Tomahawk-Design Bae Hawk 1: 3.5

Guys, there is another way to go for the JWM weight requirements.

The jet has to be 20 kgs dry. So the fuel on board can be used as ballast.
I've seen Darryl's plane flying with massive fuel tanks. The plane is 20 kgs dry and probably 26 kg wet ( maybe Darryl will come here and confirm this ).

The flight characteristics are amazing.
Of course the fuel endurance is maybe 20 minutes with the P-200SX. But who cares ?
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You're making good progress. Do you vacuum before every photo?

Please can you do me a favour and measure the gap between the main gear door openings for me??

Hello Schroedm,

I am building with in one hand the vacuum cleaner and in the other hand the dremel
But my buildingstyle is verry verry clean , and i am vacuum a lot.

The gap between the gear door openings is plus/minus 135 mm (5.315 inches)

A happy new Year to you all from Holland

best regards Maikel
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Old 01-01-2010, 08:44 AM
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Default RE: Tomahawk-Design Bae Hawk 1: 3.5

I have done some scale detailing today.
And also the front light mounting.
The pitot tube is removeble and is made of a verry light metal.(just a master piece of work)

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Default RE: Tomahawk-Design Bae Hawk 1: 3.5

Hi Gents,

Happy New Year and I hope Santa was kind to you all. I think by the time he arrived here in Dubai his sack must have seriously shrunk as there was no space for any NEW Jets or Turbine Helis. Miserable old sod!!!!

Anyway, my Skygate Hawk weighs 24.0 Kg’s DRY.

With 5.6 liters of fuel (4.5 Kg’s using a specific gravity of 0.8) the takeoff weight is 28.5 Kg’s.

Going back to Ali’s post regarding how some fly their models way outside the envelope I can support his sentiments as we do see it here a lot. No thrust management, just a volume control with two gates; IDLE and FULL THRUST.

Talking about thrust management, I will fly my Hawk for 9 minutes (from the start of the takeoff run till end of the landing roll), then there is about another 3 minutes of total taxi time. My average fuel burn is 4.0 liters.

There are approximately three times during the flight where I will use Maximum Thrust. The Takeoff, Loop, and Half Cuban Eight. The rest of the flight the throttle is being managed to fly the Hawk as scale like as possible, hence the long flight times with the P-200SX.

I must say that I really wish the IJMC would change the rules some time soon to be in-line with the AMA and have a Maximum Dry Weight of 25 Kg’s (55 Lbs).

I would like to wish you all a Happy and Prosperous 2010.

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Default RE: Tomahawk-Design Bae Hawk 1: 3.5

Thank you for correcting me Darryl. I was a bit in the wild.
Anyway your Hawk flies beautifully and is not much affected by low level turbulence, as we saw it at the Al Ain jet show.
Well done.

It is true that modifying a bit the JWM rules could render the competition more open and diversified and would certainly get it more exciting.
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more scale details done today

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Default RE: Tomahawk-Design Bae Hawk 1: 3.5

The two inlets are also done now.

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Because i am going to use a AMT Olympus , i made the engine mount a bit stronger

the nosegear servo is done.

and i made a begin of cutting the cockpit

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Default RE: Tomahawk-Design Bae Hawk 1: 3.5

I have done more scale details.
And started with th cockpit painting.

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The cockpit instruments are almost fitted now.
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Default RE: Tomahawk-Design Bae Hawk 1: 3.5

I have made some carbon in the fusalage.
And also carbon on the hinges of the flaps
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any updates. i just ordered one of these puppies. barry
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some more building pictures.

All the instruments are done for the cockpit.

all the wooden things i am doing now.

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Mine comes this week [8D]
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I have bin bussy with some hysol

I made awooden frame in the front of the fusalage to make it stronger.
itis verry light ( 190 gram) and removeble with 8 screws.
And itwil be carried the bottom of the cockpit.

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As the starter of this thread, I finally found the time to start with the build of my Tomahawk-Hawk.
Because Maikel Butler already provided lots of info, I'll only post additional remarks etc.
Furthermore , I would like to thank Marc S for his excellent SG Hawk build thread (virtual manual), there's lots of info which is applicable to the Tommy-Hawk.

Started with the alignment of the phenolic tubes for the wing.
Despite Andreas warnings to carefully wax the alu tubes (5 times!) and the inside edge of the phenolic tubes, the left rear alu torsion tube remained in the fuselage after the resin had cured. The big tube and the right rear tube came out easily.
Since it's a very short tube, that doesn't matter (always a good excuse , but after examining the large front tube and the right torsion tube, I was supprised that the thickened resin has crept about 2 cm into the tube. Probably some capiliary effect...so be warned!

Next was the alignment of the fin.
Contrary to the SG Hawk, the fin and stabilizer frame construction is standard pre-assembled by Tomahawk-design.
The "only" work that needs to be done is some sanding in order to achieve the correct alignment.
Like Marc S, I found the use of a self-levelling X-laser very benificial.
Be advised that the mold seams are not always in the middle, at various locations they are off-center, e.g. at the rear around the exhaust opening, see photo!
Using the X-laser from behind, first the fuselage was aligned. At the correct height, the laser shines from the rear towards the front, hence you'll be able to see it on the bottom of the fuselage connecting area. Hereafter, the wings were levelled.
Finally, the fin was adjusted to vertical, but After the initial set-up, the top of the fin was only 1,5 mm out.
Hence the required sanding at the tube frame was minimal.

In order to avoid glueing this alu tube into its phenolic tube too, I only glued the phenolic tube to the wooden frames.
After curing, i'll take the fin and the alu tube out and then glue the top part to the fuselage and strengthen it with som carbon.

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I have done also some more work.
Just started with the gear doors in the wing.

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Glued the top of the fin tube with some carbon to the fuselage top.

Started with the rudder.
W.r.t. Marc S SG Hawk - build (Virtual manual) post #64 and 65: a plastic tube is not used.
The stainless steel rod passes smoothly but precisely through the rudder and its wooden hinges.
The fin tip is strong and straight, hence no reinforcement needed.

Nevertheless i made a small wooden hinge inside the fin tip i.s.o. an alu tube.
To enable easy entrance of the rod, the beginning of the 2 mm hole has been tapered a bit.

Remark, the rudder hinges are quite long and one might be tempted to insert them all the way until the second Depron stringer.
Make sure you align the rudder correctly: the lower tip of the rudder trim surface should be aligned with the panel line at the top of the tail cap: check your pictures!
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Default RE: Tomahawk-Design Bae Hawk 1: 3.5

Today I received a pakkage (always nice )from Tomahawk-design.

It contains the new wooden formers, used in conjunction with the especially light fuel tank.
Also the CD with building pictures has been updated with some new pictures and contains various info on CG, flight control settings etc.
Furthermore it contains better fitting main landing gear covers.
The old ones were ok, but needed some work to get it right, so Thomas decided to send out new ones which are much better.

An optional extra are the two depron wing leading edge stiffeners.
When attaching the wing to the fuselage, one tends to hold the wing firmly at its leading edge.
If desired, the two depron stiffeners can be inserted into the wings leading edges and tacked with some spots of glue.
I appreciate this kind of support.

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Default RE: Tomahawk-Design Bae Hawk 1: 3.5

I installed the elevator servo's and pushrod.
All the gear doors are ready including hinges
And more and more hysol is done.
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