Unacceptable practices
01-11-2010, 04:59 PM
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RE: Unacceptable practices
ORIGINAL: rcpete347
HI all, what do you see as unacceptable practices in our hobby, I''ll list mine,
1- pilots that only fly or land, left hand circuits
2-pilots that only fly or land right hand circuits
3-pilots that carry on board propane
4-pilots that can't trim their own plane
5-pilots that use brakes mixed with elevator, they should learn, how to use the rest of their fingers and have a dedicated brake channel.
6- pilots should only start up their turbines in a dedicated start up area.
7- pilots that don't bring a fire extinguisher to the start up area.
The purpose of this thread, is to make better pilots for 2010.
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HI all, what do you see as unacceptable practices in our hobby, I''ll list mine,
1- pilots that only fly or land, left hand circuits
2-pilots that only fly or land right hand circuits
3-pilots that carry on board propane
4-pilots that can't trim their own plane
5-pilots that use brakes mixed with elevator, they should learn, how to use the rest of their fingers and have a dedicated brake channel.
6- pilots should only start up their turbines in a dedicated start up area.
7- pilots that don't bring a fire extinguisher to the start up area.
The purpose of this thread, is to make better pilots for 2010.
Rcpete
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1- A pilot who don't know how to use a rudder and don't bother to learn.[:@][:@]
This almost cost me my Super Bandit last year when a pilot was landing cross wind and could not steer his plane so ended up landing diagonally heading straight towards my plane taxing down the side of the runway. I had to power up and run my plane on to the grass to avoid a collision. I also got a nose of a Stingray through the side of my plane at Jetpower once because of the same thing. Proper winds me up!
Jason
01-11-2010, 06:08 PM
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RE: Unacceptable practices
ORIGINAL: IFlyEm35
I totally agree! Not only is it a bad practice it can be dangerous.
ORIGINAL: jason
Heres my one and only.
1- A pilot who don't know how to use a rudder and don't bother to learn.[:@][:@]
Heres my one and only.
1- A pilot who don't know how to use a rudder and don't bother to learn.[:@][:@]
01-11-2010, 06:13 PM
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RE: Unacceptable practices
Other devices serve multiple purposes depending on how they are used during the course of a flight. Most commercial airliners are equipped with wing spoilers that are used to make banking turns. These devices are used during flight when the spoiler on one wing is deployed causing the plane to go into a bank. However, the devices can also be deflected on both wings simultaneously during landing. This use of spoilers creates an equal amount of drag on both sides of the plane that helps to slow the vehicle down and reduce the landing roll. A similar device is the drag rudder used on planes like the B-2 Spirit. Drag rudders are located near the wingtips and are also used primarily to help the plane turn during flight. Deflecting the rudders together during landing, however, creates aerodynamic drag to slow the plane down.
The B-2 may not have a conventional rudder but it does have a way of controlling yaw.
01-11-2010, 06:28 PM
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RE: Unacceptable practices
only one i would have to agree with is the onboard Propane. Some of you may know of the field we use to fly out at in the Poconos...... we had a mishap at out site, from someone who was a jet pilot from another club came to fly who had onboard propane, and when it crashed, there was this HUGE fireball, seriuous, 50 or so feet wide. airport board of directors were there and saw this. Never flew there again. we were told never to come back.
so think about your site you fly at, is that little bottle worth the chance?
so think about your site you fly at, is that little bottle worth the chance?
01-11-2010, 06:31 PM
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RE: Unacceptable practices
I am letting this run for the moment but be mindfull of our basic rules on being polite to and about other RCU members.
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Taking my mod hat off for a moment I really hate flying with someone who only "sees" his own model and is unaware of everything else going on.
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Taking my mod hat off for a moment I really hate flying with someone who only "sees" his own model and is unaware of everything else going on.
01-11-2010, 06:32 PM
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RE: Unacceptable practices
1. I don't really care how people land.. If you don't like the wind direction that is just more room for me.
2. As far as turbines and all the rules.. Hey I don't car don't crash your plane into me or my stuff. If it catches fire let me go get my camera.
3. Brakes... Who cares as long as you can stop it in a controlled manner.
4. trimming a plane... I think that is smart on some peoples part. I have no problem trimming someone's plane for the. I simply state. I am not responsible if it crashes, but I will do my best to set it up for ya.
5. I agree with the guy who says " Quite calling yourself a Pilot." AMEN... you are not a pilot unless issued a FAA pilot's lic... Not and AMA... Sorry guys. You would never tell someone you are a Pilot because you have an AMA lic. and you fly a toy RC plane.. They would laugh at you... I love to FLY RC don't get me wrong. But I take offense when someone at the field wants to call themselves a real pilot because the stand on the ground and fly an RC plane. I am a real FAA lic. private, insturment, commercial and CFI rated pilot. Until you fly it from the cockpit... YOU ARE NOT A PILOT.
2. As far as turbines and all the rules.. Hey I don't car don't crash your plane into me or my stuff. If it catches fire let me go get my camera.
3. Brakes... Who cares as long as you can stop it in a controlled manner.
4. trimming a plane... I think that is smart on some peoples part. I have no problem trimming someone's plane for the. I simply state. I am not responsible if it crashes, but I will do my best to set it up for ya.
5. I agree with the guy who says " Quite calling yourself a Pilot." AMEN... you are not a pilot unless issued a FAA pilot's lic... Not and AMA... Sorry guys. You would never tell someone you are a Pilot because you have an AMA lic. and you fly a toy RC plane.. They would laugh at you... I love to FLY RC don't get me wrong. But I take offense when someone at the field wants to call themselves a real pilot because the stand on the ground and fly an RC plane. I am a real FAA lic. private, insturment, commercial and CFI rated pilot. Until you fly it from the cockpit... YOU ARE NOT A PILOT.
01-11-2010, 06:47 PM
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RE: Unacceptable practices
Hi,
As an FAA certificated pilot myself, I would respectfully disagree that only a pilot sitting behind the yoke is a pilot. Though I didn't have to train as rigidly for my model airplane 'sign-off', I think that flying (and landing safely) a Yellow Aircraft Stingray takes a lot more out of me than doing the same thing with a CE-172. The fellows remotely flying those drones probably call themselves pilots. I don't know that for a fact, but I imagine they do....
As an FAA certificated pilot myself, I would respectfully disagree that only a pilot sitting behind the yoke is a pilot. Though I didn't have to train as rigidly for my model airplane 'sign-off', I think that flying (and landing safely) a Yellow Aircraft Stingray takes a lot more out of me than doing the same thing with a CE-172. The fellows remotely flying those drones probably call themselves pilots. I don't know that for a fact, but I imagine they do....
01-11-2010, 07:04 PM
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RCU should incorporate spell check so the ones that are ignorant don't agitate those of us who aren't. Maybe even suggest at least a fourth grade education!!
01-11-2010, 07:05 PM
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RE: Unacceptable practices
ORIGINAL: trioval00
only one i would have to agree with is the onboard Propane. Some of you may know of the field we use to fly out at in the Poconos...... we had a mishap at out site, from someone who was a jet pilot from another club came to fly who had onboard propane, and when it crashed, there was this HUGE fireball, seriuous, 50 or so feet wide. airport board of directors were there and saw this. Never flew there again. we were told never to come back.
so think about your site you fly at, is that little bottle worth the chance?
only one i would have to agree with is the onboard Propane. Some of you may know of the field we use to fly out at in the Poconos...... we had a mishap at out site, from someone who was a jet pilot from another club came to fly who had onboard propane, and when it crashed, there was this HUGE fireball, seriuous, 50 or so feet wide. airport board of directors were there and saw this. Never flew there again. we were told never to come back.
so think about your site you fly at, is that little bottle worth the chance?
01-11-2010, 07:09 PM
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RE: Unacceptable practices
ORIGINAL: j.duncker
I am letting this run for the moment but be mindfull of our basic rules on being polite to and about other RCU members.
J.Duncker moderator
Taking my mod hat off for a moment I really hate flying with someone who only ''sees'' his own model and is unaware of everything else going on.
I am letting this run for the moment but be mindfull of our basic rules on being polite to and about other RCU members.
J.Duncker moderator
Taking my mod hat off for a moment I really hate flying with someone who only ''sees'' his own model and is unaware of everything else going on.
01-11-2010, 07:11 PM
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RE: Unacceptable practices
ORIGINAL: jetspud
That guy that has to do three d hovering right infront of you over the runway while flying your jet.
David
That guy that has to do three d hovering right infront of you over the runway while flying your jet.
David
01-11-2010, 07:17 PM
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5. I agree with the guy who says " Quite calling yourself a Pilot." AMEN... you are not a pilot unless issued a FAA pilot's lic... Not and AMA... Sorry guys. You would never tell someone you are a Pilot because you have an AMA lic. and you fly a toy RC plane.. They would laugh at you... I love to FLY RC don't get me wrong. But I take offense when someone at the field wants to call themselves a real pilot because the stand on the ground and fly an RC plane. I am a real FAA lic. private, insturment, commercial and CFI rated pilot. Until you fly it from the cockpit... YOU ARE NOT A PILOT.
Seriously though, with all the computers and fly by wire crap in a full scale airliner I bet you could make the argument that a model jet pilot has a higher work load, hell at North West you don't even have to be awake to be a pilot there....
01-11-2010, 07:18 PM
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Most military that fly drones are rated pilots. And I am not trying to argue that flying a R/C does not take some skill.. It is just a little tough to swallow someone calling themselves a pilot because the hold an AMA lic. It would be like comparing a R/C car driver to a NASCAR driver... because they are both driving the same model car only different sizes.
01-11-2010, 07:27 PM
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I don't think anyone here would claim they are a pilot because they have an AMA license. But what they are doing is claiming they are a pilot because they can safely and repeatedly fly and bring back a turbine powered jet model that can go 200 mph. That is definitely a pilot!
01-11-2010, 07:30 PM
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My son plays baseball, therefore he is a Baseball player, just not a MLB Baseball player...should I call him something else? I had a race car, hence I was a race car driver, but I am not a NASCAR driver....does that make me less of a driver? My dad has a boat, which he pilots....
The list goes on and on....
From www.M-W.com :
Main Entry: 1pi·lot
Pronunciation: \ˈpī-lət\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French pilote, from Italian pilota, alteration of pedota, from Middle Greek *pÄ“dÅtÄ“s, from Greek pÄ“da steering oars, plural of pÄ“don oar; probably akin to Greek pod-, pous foot — more at foot
Date: 1530
1 a : one employed to steer a ship : helmsman b : a person who is qualified and usually licensed to conduct a ship into and out of a port or in specified waters c : a person who flies or is qualified to fly an aircraft or spacecraft
I would say by definition one who fly's a model aircraft is a model aircraft pilot. If you are making the leap that when a modeler refers to himself as a pilot he is projecting or inferring that he or she is a full scale pilot just indicates a confidence problem on the part of the person making that assumption.
Just my take on it....
The list goes on and on....
From www.M-W.com :
Main Entry: 1pi·lot
Pronunciation: \ˈpī-lət\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French pilote, from Italian pilota, alteration of pedota, from Middle Greek *pÄ“dÅtÄ“s, from Greek pÄ“da steering oars, plural of pÄ“don oar; probably akin to Greek pod-, pous foot — more at foot
Date: 1530
1 a : one employed to steer a ship : helmsman b : a person who is qualified and usually licensed to conduct a ship into and out of a port or in specified waters c : a person who flies or is qualified to fly an aircraft or spacecraft
I would say by definition one who fly's a model aircraft is a model aircraft pilot. If you are making the leap that when a modeler refers to himself as a pilot he is projecting or inferring that he or she is a full scale pilot just indicates a confidence problem on the part of the person making that assumption.
Just my take on it....
01-11-2010, 07:30 PM
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RE: Unacceptable practices
ORIGINAL: trioval00
only one i would have to agree with is the onboard Propane. Some of you may know of the field we use to fly out at in the Poconos...... we had a mishap at out site, from someone who was a jet pilot from another club came to fly who had onboard propane, and when it crashed, there was this HUGE fireball, seriuous, 50 or so feet wide. airport board of directors were there and saw this. Never flew there again. we were told never to come back.
so think about your site you fly at, is that little bottle worth the chance?
only one i would have to agree with is the onboard Propane. Some of you may know of the field we use to fly out at in the Poconos...... we had a mishap at out site, from someone who was a jet pilot from another club came to fly who had onboard propane, and when it crashed, there was this HUGE fireball, seriuous, 50 or so feet wide. airport board of directors were there and saw this. Never flew there again. we were told never to come back.
so think about your site you fly at, is that little bottle worth the chance?
If not, on what basis do you assume that the 50 ft fireball came from a tiny onbaoard propane tank, rather than from the kero tanks ?
01-11-2010, 07:32 PM
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RE: Unacceptable practices
ORIGINAL: kingkrown
Most military that fly drones are rated pilots. And I am not trying to argue that flying a R/C does not take some skill.. It is just a little tough to swallow someone calling themselves a pilot because the hold an AMA lic. It would be like comparing a R/C car driver to a NASCAR driver... because they are both driving the same model car only different sizes.
Most military that fly drones are rated pilots. And I am not trying to argue that flying a R/C does not take some skill.. It is just a little tough to swallow someone calling themselves a pilot because the hold an AMA lic. It would be like comparing a R/C car driver to a NASCAR driver... because they are both driving the same model car only different sizes.
By definition we are Piloting the aircraft or vehicle. So somebody driving an RC car is still a driver, heck, they could be considered a PILOT for that matter, they are piloting their vehicle.
There are different designations, Fighter Pilot, Airline Pilot, Sailplane Pilot, Heli Pilot, commercial pilot, recreational pilot etc for full scale. Just like different drivers, Nascar, F1, Indy, Monster Truck, Tank, etc.
They are all Pilots/Drivers, the designation changes based on what they are operating. So, as such, I am an RC Pilot, like it or not but that's what I am. I don't claim to be a fighter pilot, or airline pilot, nor do I ever tell people I'm a pilot when they ask what I do, if I'm asked what I do, I reply with "painter". But when I attend a jet event, I go to the Pilots meeting. When I fly an airshow demonstration with my jet, I attend the Pilots meeting and I am referred to as the "RC pilots" by the full scale guys.
I have never heard a single RC pilot refer to themselves as a fighter pilot, or RC car driver refer to themselves as a race car driver. RC jets is my hobby, these are my jets, and yes, I am the pilot. By your way of thinking, I couldn't refer to the little plastic man inside the jet as the "pilot" either, he's not flying it, I'd have to say "hey, do you guys know where I can get a little plastic man for my jet???"
Purely by definition, we are pilots, I could see somebody getting upset if a person was passing themselves off as something they aren't, but that's not the case here.
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