Ziroli Panther
09-02-2011, 05:35 PM
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All markings have been painted on. I need to do a little touch up around the lines and then the painting will be complete. The dry transfers go on next.
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09-03-2011, 06:41 PM
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Finished the Panther today. I put the dry tranfers on and weathered it. All those hours spent burning 1,000s of rivets paid off when the weathering was applied.
09-04-2011, 10:02 AM
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Thanks everybody. It's been almost 1 1/2 years since I started this project. It feels good to complete it and receive the kind words from you guys.
I did forget to mention that the paint mask and dry transfers came from Ralle at Taylor Made Decals. I couldn't be happier with the quality and ease of use. I really like the masks because they were somewhat transparent, which made placing them easier tham other brands of mask that i've used, and they streched around the complex curves and the rivet, panel line, and hatch covers without getting distorted. I would highly recommend them.
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I did forget to mention that the paint mask and dry transfers came from Ralle at Taylor Made Decals. I couldn't be happier with the quality and ease of use. I really like the masks because they were somewhat transparent, which made placing them easier tham other brands of mask that i've used, and they streched around the complex curves and the rivet, panel line, and hatch covers without getting distorted. I would highly recommend them.
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09-04-2011, 01:25 PM
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That thing is bad axx and it has a mans fan in it 
Old plane that has been around for years with a state of the art power system, that's pretty cool
I bet Nick Ziroli would get a real kick out of seeing the kind of power we have with EDF today.
Daniel Schubeler is going to love this plane.... I think it's going to sell many fans for him once it's seen at E-Jets
Old plane that has been around for years with a state of the art power system, that's pretty cool
I bet Nick Ziroli would get a real kick out of seeing the kind of power we have with EDF today.
Daniel Schubeler is going to love this plane.... I think it's going to sell many fans for him once it's seen at E-Jets
09-04-2011, 07:38 PM
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Thanks Ron. You're right, the Schubeler HST fans are man fans. There is nothing in the 120mm or 5 1/4 inch size range that can fly these larger, heavier scale planes with the authority of the HST fans and sound as good. I'm also using the Thunder Power 65C man batteries. These are true 65C batteries not the ones from the AZ camp that go all puffy and only put out 30C(even though they're labeled as 65C). I guess I could have used one of those cheap AZ fans but I would have to keep replacing the ESC which could get expensive,add more batteriesin order to get just a few minutes of flight which adds more weight, and possibly lose the plane due to ESC melt down just by trying to save a buck. No thank you. I'll stick with the real man fan even if it cost a little more
09-14-2011, 12:30 PM
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I arrive home last night from EJets after driving 2700+ miles in a little over 2 days. I had a blast and it was great to see and catch up with olds friends (too many to name) and to make new ones. I'd like to thank the TORKS club for putting on the priemere EDF event in North America. I'd like to thank the volunteers for helping make the event run smoothly and make everyone feel at home and a special thanks to their families for loning them to us. It was also great to meet Daniel Schubeler, the designer of the fan.
I'm happy to say the Panther won the "Best Finish" award, Thanks to Ken Parks for the great photos.
Before EJets I was getting intermitten thermal shut down on the controller so I decided to move it into the tail pipe just before EJets. On Thursday when Daniel Schubeler saw this he told me there would be a large amout of losses. He said the HST fans are designed to produce a high amount of pressure on the exhaust side. Sure enough, he was right. When Pablo flew it it was down on thrust. I removed the controller from the exhaust and placed it in a different location. Pablo flew again and this time the controller shut down. Pablo made the sofest belly landing I've ever seen. The main gear doors departed but there was no other damage. On this flight, Pablo gave it full throttle for take off. Within a few feet the nose started to get light and he pulled back to 3/4 throttle before rotationg in order to keep the takeoff scale. On the downwind side he back it off to 1/2 throttle and kept it there until the 4 point roll. It's amazing how well this 120mm fan pushes the 28 pound Panther around. Here's the video:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWczKaK3f78[/youtube]
Daniel Schubeler took look at my setup and made a few suggestions forkeeping the controller cool. I implemented those changes and Rei Gonzales made the next flight. Without the main gear doors, there was a ton of drag but the Panther flew very well. I forgot to set the low throttle trim before handing Rei the transmitter so on landing Rei thought the Panther was dead stick because there was no throttle response for the first few clicks. Here's the video:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCXCDz4bOug[/youtube]
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I'm happy to say the Panther won the "Best Finish" award, Thanks to Ken Parks for the great photos.
Before EJets I was getting intermitten thermal shut down on the controller so I decided to move it into the tail pipe just before EJets. On Thursday when Daniel Schubeler saw this he told me there would be a large amout of losses. He said the HST fans are designed to produce a high amount of pressure on the exhaust side. Sure enough, he was right. When Pablo flew it it was down on thrust. I removed the controller from the exhaust and placed it in a different location. Pablo flew again and this time the controller shut down. Pablo made the sofest belly landing I've ever seen. The main gear doors departed but there was no other damage. On this flight, Pablo gave it full throttle for take off. Within a few feet the nose started to get light and he pulled back to 3/4 throttle before rotationg in order to keep the takeoff scale. On the downwind side he back it off to 1/2 throttle and kept it there until the 4 point roll. It's amazing how well this 120mm fan pushes the 28 pound Panther around. Here's the video:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWczKaK3f78[/youtube]
Daniel Schubeler took look at my setup and made a few suggestions forkeeping the controller cool. I implemented those changes and Rei Gonzales made the next flight. Without the main gear doors, there was a ton of drag but the Panther flew very well. I forgot to set the low throttle trim before handing Rei the transmitter so on landing Rei thought the Panther was dead stick because there was no throttle response for the first few clicks. Here's the video:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCXCDz4bOug[/youtube]
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09-15-2011, 04:59 PM
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Thanks guys. You seem to be the only ones enjoying the thread. With the lack of responses you'd swear no one was viewing this thread but everytime I post, the thread gets 200+ hits.
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Hi Guys, Greetings from South Africa, planning on doing one of these for edf as well, got a 120mm unit with a 5000w capable motor, Kirk,may I ask what have you done concerning the cooling of the esc.
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I moved the fan further back and ran it as an open duct setup. I placed the controller between the rear of the duct opening and the face of the fan with just the cooling fins of the controller in the air stream.
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Kirk,
I am building one of B17Joe's glass fuse Ziroli panther kits and your build thread has been very helpful. I can see that I will need to use filler in a few places and was wondering what kind you use. I have used Bondo in the past for smaller jobs. It is durable and easy to sand, but a little on the heavy side and dries very quickly. One other question, What did you use as a reference to level the plane when setting the wing and stab incidence angle. The glass fuse does not have a crutch reference as the stick build does. I was wondering if you could level the plane using the incidence from the glass fuse wing sadle and then set the wing pannels +1 or if the motor mounts are a good reference to level the plane. Any input you have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mark.
I am building one of B17Joe's glass fuse Ziroli panther kits and your build thread has been very helpful. I can see that I will need to use filler in a few places and was wondering what kind you use. I have used Bondo in the past for smaller jobs. It is durable and easy to sand, but a little on the heavy side and dries very quickly. One other question, What did you use as a reference to level the plane when setting the wing and stab incidence angle. The glass fuse does not have a crutch reference as the stick build does. I was wondering if you could level the plane using the incidence from the glass fuse wing sadle and then set the wing pannels +1 or if the motor mounts are a good reference to level the plane. Any input you have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mark.