AndyAndrews

Has anyone sceen this before? Looks like a cool model but don't know if its turbine or not:

Ram-bro

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its a full size mockup if I emember. There was a thread over on rcscalebuilder.com. If I remember correctly itwas built for a documentary or something to that effect.

GrayUK

Its a Horton.

Paul

Jgwright

Andy

It was a full size static mock Horten up built by Northrop Grumman for a TV program on National Geographic.

See http://www.wingsontheweb.com/ho229/HSF.php for more information.


John

modeljet

IT WAS ON TV,NOT TO LONG AGO ,THEY WERE SHOWING HOW NORTHROP WAS DOING RADAR TESTING ,OUT IN THERE TEST RANGE IN AZ,HAD IT UP IN THE AIR ,MOUNTED ON A PLATFORM/TURNTABLE ,ABOUT A 100 FEET OR SO IN THE AIR ,AND THEY WOULD TURN IT AT DIFFERENT ANGLES ,,IF THE DESIGN WAS ADVANCED OF ITS TIME ,SO THE GERMANS WERE GOING TO USE THESE TO CROSS THE ENGLISH CHANNEL,IT ALSO SHOWED IT WAS PROVEN DESIGN AND THAT THEY WOULD OF INVADED ENGLAND BEFORE THEY WOULD OF KNOWN WHAT WAS HAPPENING,,VERY ADVANCED FOR ITS TIME,

j.duncker

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See here for a flying version [link=http://www.ghostsquadron.co.uk/page54.html]CLICKY[/link]

Built by John Greenfield a very experienced UK flyer it has been around on the UK display circuit for a while. It uses spoilers combined with elevators ailerons and he describes the handling as interesting. There is a video clip around somewhere of him flying it at Cosford.

ianober

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Full size mockup, I actually carved the control grip for it. I buddy of mine built the whole cockpit for that plane, it was on a History Channel special.

-JC-

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The Horten IX now lives here in San Diego at a museum. Saw it hanging from the ceiling last week. Very advanced for it's time, the worlds first "stealth" aircraft.

As someone else mentioned, this is a mock up built to test it's radar signature. The Smitsonian has an actual aircraft, captured at the end of WWII.

Ram-bro

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I just reently saw that the new stealth UAV has the exact same dimensions and planform as the horten. As a matter of fact it looks like a Horten with no cockpit. Anyone know where some pics are? Ianobar, wish i was where you were on that project. Woulda been cool

Xantos

Some more pics
Think the kit is available in 2 sizes from Sun Hobbies in Germany
This one is P200 powered
Flown by Horst Lenhorz

Xantos

Sorry my mistake guys ! -
Thats a ME163 Komet ! Not the Horten

Turbotronic

Subscribe to RCJI, this was a multipart series some time ago. The stealth aspect was unintentional of course, the horten brothers were obsesses with the flying wing as a highly effiecient aircraft. Anyway stealth is overated since it only disguises itself from one part of the spectrum of electromagnetic wave energy (ie RADAR), as confirmed by the fact that you can see it....
So stealth is really only usefull against RADAR and not the latest imaging technologies...

davidbegg

ModelHorton on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcbbs1YlQvc

BaldEagel

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The Natzi party had nothing to do with the development of the Horton, its a bit like saying Democrat F16.

Mike

Jgwright

Here is a video of mine flying in Germany last year with 2 MW44 engines.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMWJiS-t4AU

John

AndyAndrews

Wow, that is really nice! Was it me, the video or did I see wings flutter about 3/4 way through the vid? That thing looks real tricky to land.

Cool jet!

Jgwright

Hi Andy

Thanks,

We just had turned the aileron Gyro up just a little too much, we knew instantly what the problem was and turned it down on the Tx and that is why we did not get a repeat on the next fast pass.

John

RCISFUN

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Actually the idea of a light weight fighter was promoted while Nixon was in office so that would make it a Republican F-16

Excerpt from wikipeda

"Although the Air Force’s FX proponents remained hostile to the concept because they perceived it as a threat to the F-15 program, the ADF concept (revamped and renamed as the ‘F-XX’) gained civilian political support under the reform-minded Deputy Secretary of Defense David Packard, who favored the idea of competitive prototyping. As a result in May 1971, the Air Force Prototype Study Group was established, with Boyd a key member, and two of its six proposals would be funded, one being the Lightweight Fighter (LWF) proposal. The Request for Proposals issued 6 January 1972 called for a 20,000 lb (9,100 kg) class air-to-air day fighter with a good turn rate, acceleration and range, and optimized for combat at speeds of Mach 0.6–1.6 and altitudes of 30,000–40,000 ft (9,150–12,200 m..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-16_Fighting_Falcon

JohnMac

Not sure that I agree Mike. The thing is that the Nazis suported the Horten brothers, along with many other companies with emerging technologies (in modern parlance), with cash. Without it, they would have got nowhere.
John

GrayUK

The Nazi party fully endorsed the Horton Brothers.
In the last months of the war they were working on the long range(larger version) bomber to hit New York.



One reason that the Ho 229 never got into production was that Reimar Horten was distracted that winter by another urgent project: the Ho 18 Amerika bomber. This huge, six-engined nurflugel was supposed to carry an atomic bomb to New York or Washington, despite the fact that the bomb was mostly theoretical, the engines probably couldn't have lasted the journey, and the plane couldn't possibly have been completed before Germany surrendered. (At 132 feet, its span was a bit less than that of the Boeing B-29 Superfortress, the largest warplane of World War II, but considerably shorter than the Northrop XB-35 that was in the works from 1941 to 1946.)

[link=http://www.warbirdforum.com/horten.htm]Here[/link]

[link=http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/horten.html]More info[/link]


Paul

SJN

The Horten 229 is awesome.

Check out this 5 part youtube video of the wooden model

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbCgDidqGUU

OliverJacob

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The Horten brothers developed some awesome planes, which were hard to control without the electronic helpers we have today.
And for the history part - if you had a great idea back then, the Nazis would find ways to take it from you.
So they would support every new development with money and people, and you if you wanted to survive, you'd better comply.
It is hard to understand - even the best lawyer could not help you.
These aircraft designers were not trying to build a devastating weapon - the simply had some great ideas and they wanted to build their dream.
Lots of new planes have been developed during that time. Some of them were build within a few weeks after the first drawing was made.
Of course many failed because the was no time to test a new aircraft. 

So if someone has some plans for a 40 size Horten - please let me know

weasel33

Smithsonian actually has three
last time i was in DC i went to the Garber facility at Silver Hills
for a tour,its where the Smithsonian stores most of its aircraft for future restoration
The Hortens where piled one on top of each other in an outbuilding.
Some of the German stuff is still in the packing crates.