wahoo

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Goose:No. No, Mav, this is not a good idea.
Maverick:Sorry, Goose, but it's time to buzz the tower.


Viper:Top Gun rules of engagement are written for your safety and for that of your team. They are not flexible, nor am I. Either obey them or you are history. Is that clear?

wahoo

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Captain, Road Prison 36:What we got here is... failure to communicate.

FILE IFR

Beave, Beave... Ya got it all wrong.

Ya see, block-buster movie quotes from the mid 80's will tip the scales in favor of the RC guy.

... I gotta throw some humor in this thread [8D]

wahoo

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Find humor where you may.... 2 lives (if not more) were in the balance of some seriously bad decision making...and it wasn't the RC's decision in question !!

jessiejames2012

damn how much was that plane worth

wahoo

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No where near what the human death count could've been !!!!

ThunderbirdJunkie

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More than you can afford, pal.

SLICK.

Now wishing ThunderbirdJunkie was able to use that in a forum that would get it

Xairflyer

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Public Event different rules apply

on_your_six

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One aspect that I have not seen talked about much is the "go around". To go around means that you have been there before. What was the FS pilots movements during the minutes prior to the accident? There was a comment about the plane being quickly hangar-ed after the incident which could mean that the pilot was local. Being local he could have or should have been aware of the ground activity of the charity event. If he made an approach in the proceeding minutes, then he was likely current on the conditions of the field. The RC pilot was up for quite a while before the incident. Standing next to the "air boss" was at some level an indication he had permission to be there.

There is a lot of blame to go around... RC pilot needed a spotter and maybe should have flown off of a ramp rather than an active runway. Poor planning by the event organizer. There are many RC aircraft on the ground when you view the video, so he was not the only UAS operating . The "Air Boss" did not have positive control of the situation and was maybe too close to the action to realize the big picture. The FS pilot made a flyby at low altitude and the smoke announced his intentions as to the "aerial display" maneuver... While he had every right to the runway space, he might have lost that right in communication with the "air boss".. not an easy straight forward situation...

In retrospect, I think all of us can see the problems mixing RC and piloted aircraft. Radio communications are not fool proof and the pilot was not required to have any communication equipment. While a NOTAM would have been preferred, they are not always read by a pilot before a flight... I doubt that the field had ATIS service.... so closing the runway for the demonstration might have required the white X at each end of the active runway.

I would have to think twice before flying at an active airport after seeing this. Keep in mind... we fly with piloted aircraft above us every day... watch for them and avoid them. Fly low until they clear the area.

Airplanes400

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Just sit back and chew it over with a Twix candy bar...

Sport_Pilot

Well its very likely that the FAA inspector, and the judge you will appear before after buzzing the tower will have even less hours and more inactive time than I.

Sport_Pilot

If those are the traffic patterns then it's OK, it is when you stray off of the pattern that you can (not likely) be cited.

Airplanes400

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I like the sudden rise in all the self-proclaimed FAA Inspectors who are quoting and posting regs.

Amateurs! Makes me laugh so hard!!! Just leave it to the FAA Inspectors who KNOW what they are doing ....

Everyone else is just a "tire kicker"

PS ... When someone yells, "Look out" or something to that effect, as in the case of the inept 'airboss'. A normal persons' reaction would be to lower their head, or duck. Chris, the r/c guy, had his plane at about 10 feet at that point. He should have cut the throttle and dropped his toy to the ground. But NOOOO ...... he acellerated and climbed right into the path of the biplane. Which would be like standing up when someone yells, "watch out."

greybeardaviation

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Couldn't resist putting my 2 cents in

1. Thank God both the pilot & passenger are alive

2. If you can't stand loosing your rc airplane - don't fly it

Sport_Pilot

And I have 30 years of engineering experiance working with airfield clearances.

Sport_Pilot

The cameraman himself was less than 200 feet away. This was a private airfield, the pilot was required to check that the field was clear before starting his landing. Even so he would have been OK for a landing, which this clearly was not.

Waivers do not usually waive the 500 foot rule, except for thos participating in the stunt, show. But yes he could have a waiver, but it has been reported that he does not hold one at least for this event.

invertmast

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quit picking and pulling quotes w/o the rest of the "story" that goes along with it, just so you can make your rebuttals when you aren't even including the entire comment. You should work for Fox news or CNN as you are very good at being the weekend expert.




I am truly done.. this thread has now gone past the point of no return

invertmast

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AND AGAIN, you are wrong. you are talking about something you know nothing about.

The business segment in the company I work for has over 50 WAIVERS to operate our King-Air 90 aircraft at altitudes as low as 100 FEET! I personally have over 1000 hours of low level flight time (300' and below). So i kinda of know what i'm talking about in regards to the 500' rule. its how i make my living! We also do 90% of our operations at 300' AGL at NIGHT wearing Night vision goggles Over very congested areas like, miami, tampa, houston, new orleans, Sacramento... and many others.

If you dont know what you are talking about (which you have proven time and time again) Please don't open your mouth about the subject.

DavidR

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Who cares.....it has a prop on it!

j.duncker

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MODS HAT OFF

A 3D pilot is concentrating pretty hard on his aircraft when it is in the hover, add to that the fact that it was a public display. If he is given some kind of warning or alert his natural reaction will be to add power and climb out of the hover. Why, because that is what you do when flying 3D and you are in the hover and something goes wrong. Since the first time he started learning to hover power and climb out is what you do when it goes wrong, it is a reflex reaction.

For a 3D pilot to cut the throttle and drop to the ground he would need to get a very specific instruction and even then he would need to be able to overcome his learned reflex reaction to do that.


BTW I am a self confessed 3D hooligan.

Sport_Pilot

I was refering to a waiver for the event, not the individual. However, it was reported that neither the event or the individual has waivers. AlthoughI amnot sure if you can rely on the reporting.

For Air Force shows we make sure all buildings on the opposite side of the field are empty, and then that is the only area that they are allowed to break the 500 foot rule. So maybe you know about general waivers, but I am refering to waivers for events, and those participatingin the event.

rcjetsaok

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Sport_Pilot, Yea... What Thomas said !!!!! Give it a break dude !!! Let that cut under your nose heal !!!!!!!


Danno

Sport_Pilot

So this is a sporting event? Do you think you have to win an argument. Iam wondering ifyoujet jocks will admit to being wrongfour to six months fromnow when the investigation is complete. Invertmast wastalking about a differant type of waiver. He is talking about general waivers that have nothing to do with air shows and fly in's. I was refering to waivers required for a specific event.

To be even more specific a waiver requested by form 7711-1.

Pecanpatch

I just want to see the dang video so I can judge for myself [:@]

bevar

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Ask...and thou shall receive...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvcN-0PikEU&feature=player_embedded#!

Beave