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Jezza15 12-28-2010 04:30 PM

Simple Smoke System set up
 
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt">Hi there,</div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt">I apologise if this has been covered before but I have a ProtechPT80 Turbine and am looking for a very simple and cheap smoke system.</div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt">I wondered if anyone has home built a smoke system and if any information was available?</div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt">If anyone can help it would be very much appreciated</div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt">Jezza</div>

Robrow 12-28-2010 11:57 PM

RE: Simple Smoke System set up
 
Here you go: http://amtjets.com/download.php#smoke I have seen these systems work well.

From my early homebuilt days till quite recently I used a speed controller/fuel pump combo which also worked well.

Rob.

Jezza15 01-04-2011 02:47 PM

RE: Simple Smoke System set up
 
Excellent - Many Thanks

What would be the best fuel to use in the smoke system tanks? - Is diesel ok?

Henry Chua 01-04-2011 11:30 PM

RE: Simple Smoke System set up
 

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ORIGINAL: Jezza15

Excellent - Many Thanks

What would be the best fuel to use in the smoke system tanks? - Is diesel ok?
Paraffin. Less messy tha diesel.

Regards
Henry

Robrow 01-05-2011 04:30 AM

RE: Simple Smoke System set up
 
Best fluid to use is purpose made smoke fluid or 'white' oil designed for the food industry. Diesel works ok but tends to be messy and the smoke is more grey in colour.

Rob.

jonkoppisch 01-05-2011 05:11 AM

RE: Simple Smoke System set up
 
I didn't know that the propane line acted like a pressure port. Does this only work with AMT turbines?

Gerald Rutten 01-05-2011 10:28 AM

RE: Simple Smoke System set up
 
No, works for all other turbines as well.

Best regards,
Gerald

jonkoppisch 01-05-2011 10:30 AM

RE: Simple Smoke System set up
 
That's a great trick! Save weight and simple!!!

i3dm 01-05-2011 10:57 AM

RE: Simple Smoke System set up
 
the pressure trick does work well, and i like the simplicity of having a servo drive a Festo ball valve.

The only thing im wondering about is which servo is used in such a case, as the Festo ball valves are pretty hard to move by hand ? would probably require a pretty good torque standard size servo ?

jonkoppisch 01-05-2011 01:11 PM

RE: Simple Smoke System set up
 
Does it have to be a festo? How much air pressure is there? Will a retract/brake etc valve work instead? I'm sure that a solenoid would be fine as well but a little pricey for the app..

KC36330 01-05-2011 01:29 PM

RE: Simple Smoke System set up
 
the pressure is quiet high and the only smoke tanks i found that would work with it were recycled PowerMax cans. a note of caution, the air exiting the propane side is VERY hot and if you use an excessive flow of fluid or you leave the valve open when the fluid is exhausted, you run a very good chance of melting the propane lines and festo fitting as well as the lines to your smoke system.

i3dm 01-05-2011 01:45 PM

RE: Simple Smoke System set up
 

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ORIGINAL: jonkoppisch

Does it have to be a festo? How much air pressure is there? Will a retract/brake etc valve work instead? I'm sure that a solenoid would be fine as well but a little pricey for the app..
A solenoid is perfect, but pricey. just like you said.

jonkoppisch 01-05-2011 03:37 PM

RE: Simple Smoke System set up
 
Sounds almost like an earlier model Tams smoke system.. I used to run one on my roo!

jonkoppisch 01-06-2011 12:39 PM

RE: Simple Smoke System set up
 
I wonder how they're regulating the air pressure in the diagrams? It looks like they're using plastic tanks???

i3dm 01-07-2011 07:32 AM

RE: Simple Smoke System set up
 
they dont regulate it. most plastic tanks are pretty good pressure wise. see all the folks running nitro YS engines with pressured tanks ?

KC36330 01-07-2011 07:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: i3dm

they dont regulate it. most plastic tanks are pretty good pressure wise. see all the folks running nitro YS engines with pressured tanks ?
A YS has about 4 psi. A JetCat many times that.


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i3dm 01-07-2011 07:46 AM

RE: Simple Smoke System set up
 
the YS motors i saw (never measured) all balooned up the tanks like mad ! so i really doubt its 4 PSI.

KC36330 01-07-2011 10:31 AM

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My point exactly. At 4 psi a YS swells the heck out of a plastic tank and can burst a fiberglass one, the pressure off a turbines bypass air will explode them.



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Gerald Rutten 01-07-2011 11:15 AM

RE: Simple Smoke System set up
 
A powerful turbine can deliver about 2,2Bar overpressure ( 32 PSI ) which is quiet substantial, still a lot less than used on pneumatic retraction systems. However, no fiberglass tank is designed to hold any pressure so they cannot be used for this purpose. When using pressurized smoke systems only use plastic tanks, and test them first by pumping them to 35psi to make sure you don't have to clean you model's internals.....;) Also installing a check valve between turbine pressure port and smoke tank is a wise idea so no fluid may accidently be pumped into the turbine when flying inverted, closing smoke valve and downspooling the turbine so it has less pressure than stored in the smoke tank.

Best regards,
Gerald

ianober 01-07-2011 11:27 AM

RE: Simple Smoke System set up
 
Just get a Sullivan Skywriter and be done. Its the easiest, safest and cheapest solution out there.

Gerald Rutten 01-07-2011 11:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: ianober

..... and cheapest solution out there.
Well........that's just where this thread startet, wasn't it? A valve for just a few bucks against this sullivan pump for allmost $100,- isn't very cheap, is it?
But I agree, when you want a ready installation and aren't very handy I would go for the pump system as well. As a hobby purist I like to try everything thats sounds simple and easy to me but not everybody likes to (or should....) experiment.

Best regards,
Gerald

MLJETS 01-07-2011 01:38 PM

RE: Simple Smoke System set up
 
Hi Gerald, I do agree with you. This way to make smoke is the cheapest and works fine without adding much weight in the model. I did it in the past in 2 different models.<div>Best regards,</div><div>Marc Levy</div><div>
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RemoteJets 07-02-2011 11:14 PM

RE: Simple Smoke System set up
 
My first test with my gasstart Jetcat 120 and pressurized with the gas inlet:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpIPjrtx_mQ[/youtube]

Have to fine tune the set up more and then build it in the airframe somewere :eek:


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