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siddus74 02-22-2012 01:27 AM

Nitroplane Cessna Citation 2 x P20s
 
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My mate Raj has purchased a Nitroplanes Cessna Citation and a couple of P20s .... Hes a airliner nut and has asked me to install / build it ... the kit is of questionable quality - but it should be a fun project nether the less ...

By the way this one doesnt have all the nasty stickers on it!

He has purchased the Eflite electric retracts as well, which will simplify things a little ... the P20s are dwarfed in those nacels ...

A cheap mans A10 ;-)

Scott


Xairflyer 02-22-2012 03:52 AM

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Yes big problem with models like these is the quality of the gluing, but easily sorted to a modeller, snag is many that build ARTF's think glue is only 5 min epoxy and superglue !

One method recently used on a cheap chineese ARTF was to run aliphatic resin (better than normal pva) down all the wood joints by simply squeezing out a blob on the joint and holding the wing/fuse vertical so it ran all the way down the joint.
With a bit of time I was able to apply glue to most areas of the wing with retract/flap/aileron hatches etc you can get at most of the important areas.
Aliphatic resin is an excellent glue for wood and much quicker drying than old PVA, very under used except by the true modeller :D

Only job for wood formers to fibreglass is hysol used with the applicator tube, very easy to do, when done pull out the centre of the applicator tube, mix and apply the excess by hand, so very little waste.

siddus74 02-22-2012 04:11 AM

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One method recently used on a cheap chineese ARTF was to run aliphatic resin (better than normal pva) down all the wood joints by simply squeezing out a blob on the joint and holding the wing/fuse vertical so it ran all the way down the joint.

This is my future I think ...

Scott.

Xairflyer 02-22-2012 04:29 AM

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I have found myself coming back more and more to pva/aliphatic resin these glues have been around for a very long time for a reason, the modern age has been spoilt with using glues that have to work straight away, but as the jet modeller has seen with hysol slower is actually much better.

Dr Honda 02-22-2012 04:35 AM

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Regardless... should be a cool project.

Henke Torphammar 02-22-2012 05:13 AM

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This guy is already at it...

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=10961134

Dr Honda 02-22-2012 05:22 AM

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This guy is already at it...

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=10961134

So it will be a race to who posts a vid first !!!

Euan 02-22-2012 06:22 AM

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Scott,
Raj an airline nut ?? that does describe him well ? i was also asked by him to do a similar p20 project with a learjet but i did think the Citation would be a better option,
looking forward to your assembly thread,
cheers Euan,
ps i did end up with a learjet.

boomerman 02-22-2012 07:42 AM

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looking forward to this thread, also seeing raj fly this at our field!!
guy

siddus74 02-22-2012 11:21 AM

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Scott,
Raj an airline nut ?? that does describe him well ? i was also asked by him to do a similar p20 project with a learjet but i did think the Citation would be a better option,
looking forward to your assembly thread,
cheers Euan,
ps i did end up with a learjet.
Nice Euan .. He has mentioned you a little ;) This kit is such poor quality :-( but I like a challenge and Raj is a good mate ... I sorted his TriStar out last time, installed his P120SX - put over 50 hours one that one for him, retracts servos etc etc and he flipped it on landing 2nd or 3rd flight ...

Scott.

Euan 02-22-2012 11:42 AM

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Scott,
.Do you have any pictures of the Citation and who supplied it ?
cheers Euan.

siddus74 02-22-2012 11:49 AM

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Scott,
Raj is a nice chap just a bit eccentric ??
Lol .. thats one work to descibe him ...

I have it all on my dining room table! That and about 500 quids worth of radio and ancillaries and about 3.5k worth of P20's, if your really interested Ill post the pictures as I build it up ...

Scott.

Euan 02-22-2012 12:00 PM

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Scott,
pictures etc please, i have one of the Hobbyking Gulfstreams on its way with the intention of installing a pair of p20s also for another airline addict ??,
cheers Euan,
ps did we meet at last years elvington weekend.

siddus74 02-22-2012 12:06 PM

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Quite possibly... I had an Avonds F15 and also for my sins an old Boomerang Intro .... Got both the Avonds F15 and the Avonds F104 ... best in breed ...

Raj was on about the Gulfstream, but they are heavily backordered arnt they?

Im tempted to ask him to not give me any cash for this job but for him to part with the other Tristar he has, I have a spare P80 ....

Scott.

Shaun Evans 02-22-2012 01:29 PM

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Wow.

Just hard to imagine trusting $6k worth of turbine to a Nitroplanes ARF....

siddus74 02-22-2012 01:43 PM

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Wow.

Just hard to imagine trusting $6k worth of turbine to a Nitroplanes ARF....
Yeah, I know what your saying ... the wings are tail planes etc are beefy and well made, the fibreglass parts although lacking finess in places are thick and sturdy ... Im hopeful to be honest ... I be starting in it in a couple of weeks so Ill soon know ...

It has many good vids on youtube ... I believe you can tell an awful lot from how a plane is seen to take off and land ... should be ok ...

Scott.

drdoom 02-22-2012 02:42 PM

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Interesting Project. Keep the pictures coming...:D

BobbyMcGee 02-22-2012 04:30 PM

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I suppose if you beef it up in enough places this could work. But since the wings are partially sheeted with low quality balsa and covered with Chinese monokote, you may have an issue if you pull too many G's in a high-speed turn. If you fly it slow and scale like, you may just enjoy a few flights. I still think you will be throwing a ton of weight in the nose too offset having two turbines in the nacells.

flyntruk 02-22-2012 05:30 PM

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Wow A 35k lawn dart !

siddus74 02-23-2012 12:01 AM

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I suppose if you beef it up in enough places this could work. But since the wings are partially sheeted with low quality balsa and covered with Chinese monokote, you may have an issue if you pull too many G's in a high-speed turn. If you fly it slow and scale like, you may just enjoy a few flights. I still think you will be throwing a ton of weight in the nose too offset having two turbines in the nacells.

The wings are fully sheeted .. and the P20's weigh less than a 90mm fan and motor ... but it will require weight in the nose with out a doubt...

Scott.

Euan 02-23-2012 09:47 AM

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Hello,
as Scott has pointed out this kit is strong enough to take the two p20s,the glass work being polyester is a little on the thick side and yes some formers need a bit of glue ?? nothing that any decent modeller cannot overcome.Scott mine weighed in at 13 lbs with its 90 mm edfs and 12 cells and could be thrown around including inverted snap rolls and all sorts of avaition abuse .I eventually repainted it in easyjet livery and sold it on to hang up in a travel agents , i nearly bought one of Raj,s Tristars also to hang up in a bar but i hope you can do a deal on it and get it flying,
cheers Euan.

boomerman 02-24-2012 07:11 AM

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Raj is a good pilot, he flies at my club


siddus74 02-24-2012 08:20 AM

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Indeed, what he lacks in finess and building skills he sure makes up for in experience and b***s .... :D

Scott.

siddus74 02-26-2012 04:17 AM

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Euan,

Ive started the build .... the quality of the kit is not great, but doable .... you'll get the gist by the pictures - some are random but highligh extra wood barers etc etc - any advice extra, extra ... ;)

Scott.

siddus74 02-26-2012 04:23 AM

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Euan,

I started the tail as well... went old school with some tracing paper :D only way I could work out where to make the holes ... thank the lord for permagrit tools ..

Scott.


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