What's the truth about the MGT 8.0 engine ???
#2
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: hatboro, PA
Posts: 210
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: What's the truth about the MGT 8.0 engine ???
Finally i found something:
Thunder Tiger - PRO-50BX (R)
Product No. TTR9445
tdunder Tiger's PRO series engines are equipped witd dual-ball bearings, Schnuerle porting, ABC type piston and cylinder and
mixture control carburetor.
Specification:
Displacement: 8.19 cc. / 0.500 cu. in.
Bore: 22.5 mm. / 0.886 in.
Stroke: 20.6 mm. / 0.811 in.
Practical RPM: 2,000 ~ 30,000
Output: 1.80 BHP / 16,000 RPM
Weight: 465 g. wo/muffler / 16.41 oz.
http://www.thundertiger4u.com/pro50bx-r-p-7554.html
Thunder Tiger - PRO-50BX (R)
Product No. TTR9445
tdunder Tiger's PRO series engines are equipped witd dual-ball bearings, Schnuerle porting, ABC type piston and cylinder and
mixture control carburetor.
Specification:
Displacement: 8.19 cc. / 0.500 cu. in.
Bore: 22.5 mm. / 0.886 in.
Stroke: 20.6 mm. / 0.811 in.
Practical RPM: 2,000 ~ 30,000
Output: 1.80 BHP / 16,000 RPM
Weight: 465 g. wo/muffler / 16.41 oz.
http://www.thundertiger4u.com/pro50bx-r-p-7554.html
#3
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: leongatha,VIC, AUSTRALIA
Posts: 3,735
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: What's the truth about the MGT 8.0 engine ???
the .50 in the MGT 8.0 is a converted helicopter engine, all they've done is put a larger cooling head on it and slapped it in the MTA4 chassis, just liek they did with the .70 and .90 in the EK4 (just so you know, thunder tiger owns team associated, the MGT is a re badged thunder tiger MTA4)
#4
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: hatboro, PA
Posts: 210
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: What's the truth about the MGT 8.0 engine ???
ORIGINAL: ttoks
the .50 in the MGT 8.0 is a converted helicopter engine, all they've done is put a larger cooling head on it and slapped it in the MTA4 chassis, just liek they did with the .70 and .90 in the EK4 (just so you know, thunder tiger owns team associated, the MGT is a re badged thunder tiger MTA4)
the .50 in the MGT 8.0 is a converted helicopter engine, all they've done is put a larger cooling head on it and slapped it in the MTA4 chassis, just liek they did with the .70 and .90 in the EK4 (just so you know, thunder tiger owns team associated, the MGT is a re badged thunder tiger MTA4)
#5
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: leongatha,VIC, AUSTRALIA
Posts: 3,735
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: What's the truth about the MGT 8.0 engine ???
HP numbers for aircraft engines are typically much less inflated then they are for car and truck engines, but i still wouldn't believe them fully.
#6
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Who z\' whats it,
YT, BOTSWANA
Posts: 7,133
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: What's the truth about the MGT 8.0 engine ???
Output: 1.80 BHP / 16,000 RPM
I gotta tell ya, im impressed with those numbers. Not at how high they are, but the fact a company isnt claiming a ridiculous amount of HP on such a large mill. They're basically showing an HP number, at a really low RPM. Which is very practical, and expected of such a large motor. But really, if you're concerned about its power, go watch the videos on youtube. The truck moves quite nice.
I gotta tell ya, im impressed with those numbers. Not at how high they are, but the fact a company isnt claiming a ridiculous amount of HP on such a large mill. They're basically showing an HP number, at a really low RPM. Which is very practical, and expected of such a large motor. But really, if you're concerned about its power, go watch the videos on youtube. The truck moves quite nice.
#11
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Who z\' whats it,
YT, BOTSWANA
Posts: 7,133
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: What's the truth about the MGT 8.0 engine ???
It would take a really high end .28 to out muscle that size of a motor. It can be done, just with a very high end motor. Dont expect this motor to have the top end of a .28 either. Then again, its all in the gearing now. This truck should be able to pull some big gears with ease.
#13
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Who z\' whats it,
YT, BOTSWANA
Posts: 7,133
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: What's the truth about the MGT 8.0 engine ???
ORIGINAL: binaryterror
Drinking fuel faster than an alcoholic drinking booze.
Drinking fuel faster than an alcoholic drinking booze.
"Hey Brian, im comin in at 5 minutes!!!!!!" LOL
#14
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: leongatha,VIC, AUSTRALIA
Posts: 3,735
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: What's the truth about the MGT 8.0 engine ???
i've noted that engine manufacturers tend to not claim outrages numbers on heli and plane mills.
if this engine in fact does make 1.8 HP (which isn't all to outrageous) there are a few mills out there that you can get fairly cheap that will easily out power it though, the best example being a picco .28 P3, around $200 bucks and has been dynoed at around 2.05 HP which isn't bad at all, or an LRP z.28 spec 3 made 1.87 (that was the truggy version so i'd expect around 1.75 from the pull start roughly)
but for bashing this engine would be great, hill climbs ect you'd need to gear the .28's down to get the toque to the ground at low, but you loose all top speed then, in a strait line the .28's will be faster but climbing over stuff i doubt you'll outdo the .50, just my opinion.
if this engine in fact does make 1.8 HP (which isn't all to outrageous) there are a few mills out there that you can get fairly cheap that will easily out power it though, the best example being a picco .28 P3, around $200 bucks and has been dynoed at around 2.05 HP which isn't bad at all, or an LRP z.28 spec 3 made 1.87 (that was the truggy version so i'd expect around 1.75 from the pull start roughly)
but for bashing this engine would be great, hill climbs ect you'd need to gear the .28's down to get the toque to the ground at low, but you loose all top speed then, in a strait line the .28's will be faster but climbing over stuff i doubt you'll outdo the .50, just my opinion.
#15
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: hatboro, PA
Posts: 210
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: What's the truth about the MGT 8.0 engine ???
ORIGINAL: ttoks
i've noted that engine manufacturers tend to not claim outrages numbers on heli and plane mills.
if this engine in fact does make 1.8 HP (which isn't all to outrageous) there are a few mills out there that you can get fairly cheap that will easily out power it though, the best example being a picco .28 P3, around $200 bucks and has been dynoed at around 2.05 HP which isn't bad at all, or an LRP z.28 spec 3 made 1.87 (that was the truggy version so i'd expect around 1.75 from the pull start roughly)
but for bashing this engine would be great, hill climbs ect you'd need to gear the .28's down to get the toque to the ground at low, but you loose all top speed then, in a strait line the .28's will be faster but climbing over stuff i doubt you'll outdo the .50, just my opinion.
i've noted that engine manufacturers tend to not claim outrages numbers on heli and plane mills.
if this engine in fact does make 1.8 HP (which isn't all to outrageous) there are a few mills out there that you can get fairly cheap that will easily out power it though, the best example being a picco .28 P3, around $200 bucks and has been dynoed at around 2.05 HP which isn't bad at all, or an LRP z.28 spec 3 made 1.87 (that was the truggy version so i'd expect around 1.75 from the pull start roughly)
but for bashing this engine would be great, hill climbs ect you'd need to gear the .28's down to get the toque to the ground at low, but you loose all top speed then, in a strait line the .28's will be faster but climbing over stuff i doubt you'll outdo the .50, just my opinion.
Can you imagine a .50 all prepared for race.
#16
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Orange Park,
FL
Posts: 3,331
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: What's the truth about the MGT 8.0 engine ???
ORIGINAL: ThermalRD
LOL. Thats a whole different issue. LOL.
"Hey Brian, im comin in at 5 minutes!!!!!!" LOL
ORIGINAL: binaryterror
Drinking fuel faster than an alcoholic drinking booze.
Drinking fuel faster than an alcoholic drinking booze.
"Hey Brian, im comin in at 5 minutes!!!!!!" LOL
With this thing, it's all about the torque.
#17
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: hatboro, PA
Posts: 210
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: What's the truth about the MGT 8.0 engine ???
ORIGINAL: Bria1
It may not be too bad, remember it is turning less rpm than a .28 does. But ya, a tank a little bigger than 150cc would've been nice.
ORIGINAL: ThermalRD
LOL. Thats a whole different issue. LOL.
"Hey Brian, im comin in at 5 minutes!!!!!!" LOL
ORIGINAL: binaryterror
Drinking fuel faster than an alcoholic drinking booze.
Drinking fuel faster than an alcoholic drinking booze.
"Hey Brian, im comin in at 5 minutes!!!!!!" LOL
Couldn't agree anymore.
#19
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: hatboro, PA
Posts: 210
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: What's the truth about the MGT 8.0 engine ???
ORIGINAL: blackrain
i bet a lot of the things they dont offer you with the truck, will be sold seperate like a bigger gas tank
i bet a lot of the things they dont offer you with the truck, will be sold seperate like a bigger gas tank
#20
Senior Member
RE: What's the truth about the MGT 8.0 engine ???
ORIGINAL: ttoks
HP numbers for aircraft engines are typically much less inflated then they are for car and truck engines, but i still wouldn't believe them fully.
HP numbers for aircraft engines are typically much less inflated then they are for car and truck engines, but i still wouldn't believe them fully.
Here's a video of one on youtube that shows the truck running real good. It definitely isn't slow.........and it sounds pretty mean as well. I think this truck will go over big with the big block bashing crowd that is looking for something other than the same old, same old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orrp2zb6UhM
#21
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: hatboro, PA
Posts: 210
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: What's the truth about the MGT 8.0 engine ???
ORIGINAL: binaryterror
Drinking fuel faster than an alcoholic drinking booze.
Drinking fuel faster than an alcoholic drinking booze.
Less RPMs, less fuel comsumption ! DAHHHHH !
#22
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Farmington,
MI
Posts: 626
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: What's the truth about the MGT 8.0 engine ???
ORIGINAL: rafa26
Less RPMs, less fuel comsumption ! DAHHHHH !
ORIGINAL: binaryterror
Drinking fuel faster than an alcoholic drinking booze.
Drinking fuel faster than an alcoholic drinking booze.
Less RPMs, less fuel comsumption ! DAHHHHH !
More displacement allows for more components for the combustion. Which means it requires more fuel for a single cycle than a smaller engine.
#23
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: hatboro, PA
Posts: 210
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: What's the truth about the MGT 8.0 engine ???
ORIGINAL: infernalstone
That only applies to the engine itself. I'm willing to bet that my 3.0 in my ranger drinks less fuel at 4000 rpm than a 454 does at 2000 rpm.
More displacement allows for more components for the combustion. Which means it requires more fuel for a single cycle than a smaller engine.
ORIGINAL: rafa26
Less RPMs, less fuel comsumption ! DAHHHHH !
ORIGINAL: binaryterror
Drinking fuel faster than an alcoholic drinking booze.
Drinking fuel faster than an alcoholic drinking booze.
Less RPMs, less fuel comsumption ! DAHHHHH !
More displacement allows for more components for the combustion. Which means it requires more fuel for a single cycle than a smaller engine.
#24
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Roseville,
MI
Posts: 2,861
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: What's the truth about the MGT 8.0 engine ???
ORIGINAL: rafa26
Less RPMs, less fuel comsumption ! DAHHHHH !
ORIGINAL: binaryterror
Drinking fuel faster than an alcoholic drinking booze.
Drinking fuel faster than an alcoholic drinking booze.
Less RPMs, less fuel comsumption ! DAHHHHH !
To turn power it will again take more fuel to create the power to increase the speeds of the engine because it will be moving more mass in side the engine.
If the .50 was to turn at 50% of full throttle it would use less fuel than to turn at 80% that is guaranteed. It however is not true that a .28 turning at 50% full throttle is using an amount in anyway related to that of a .50 engine.
#25
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Farmington,
MI
Posts: 626
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: What's the truth about the MGT 8.0 engine ???
ORIGINAL: rafa26
At the same time it produces more torque and takes the truck to a bigger distance with less fuel.
ORIGINAL: infernalstone
That only applies to the engine itself. I'm willing to bet that my 3.0 in my ranger drinks less fuel at 4000 rpm than a 454 does at 2000 rpm.
More displacement allows for more components for the combustion. Which means it requires more fuel for a single cycle than a smaller engine.
ORIGINAL: rafa26
Less RPMs, less fuel comsumption ! DAHHHHH !
ORIGINAL: binaryterror
Drinking fuel faster than an alcoholic drinking booze.
Drinking fuel faster than an alcoholic drinking booze.
Less RPMs, less fuel comsumption ! DAHHHHH !
More displacement allows for more components for the combustion. Which means it requires more fuel for a single cycle than a smaller engine.
What will happen is you will use more fuel over the same distance. However, you can move that distance faster.
Otherwise a Dodge Ram with a Hemi would get better mileage than a standard Ram. However, that's not the case. The Hemi will smoke the standard Ram in a race. But it'll run out of fuel well before the other truck.
Part of the reality of it is that you need X amount of fuel to ignite to make X amount of energy. But as Binary said above, bigger engine has more mass to rotate. Which comes out as a loss of energy by the time you reach the clutch. The trade off is that you have a bigger explosion each cycle, so you have more energy per cycle, even after loss from mass. Thus more torque with less rpm. But again, you have more mass to overcome in the engine, so a greater percentage of energy will be lost in translation after that initial kaboom of fuel and air.