davenraithatha

The thing is that you guys are only racing these cars over a very short distance. Over 400m the jato will no doubt beat the menace because its acceleration is outstanding (mainly due to the 2wd and less weight). But if you were to run them at WOT for about a few miles then i have no doubt that they will both reach their claims. You guys seem to be forgetting that getting those last 10mph out of a 3.5cc engine is tough and takes time and distance.

Banana Turbo

Sorry but have you owned a Schumacher Menace?

Because no way can a menace reach 70mph on that clutch bell.

I have tried it on 30% nitro. The thing screams through the gears and after 30 meters is in third screaming at maximum revs and then the revs fall off.

The whole point of the three speed is accelaration. I have seen a Jato 3.3 accelarate and it wasnt that impressive.

I however can not belive that nobody has a video of a drag race between these trucks.

annie_himself

Miles huh? I wanna see your face after your motor blows the piston to heaven...lol

davenraithatha

lol, yea thats why i wouldnt do it to my menace! and yea banana your right it wouldnt with the stock pinion, i forgot to mention it, but with the right one it probably could do 70

tgwolfwood1981

Banana makes a good point. it's apples and oranges. so im curious why they are being compared.......we might as well compare a hpi rs4 to a losi 8ight.

davenraithatha

Its probably because there the only trucks known and advertised for thier speed

Bananaturbo

Thats sounds reasonable to me.

But the XTR-3E is listed in exactly the same way.

http://www.rc-nitrocars.com/2005/12/...r-3e-rc-truck/

I think that they compaired it to the Menace because its newer?

I just did a search and found it advertised like this.

SCHUMACHER XTR 3E Nitro petrol RC car 75mph!!!!

davenraithatha

yea, they dont make the xtr any more do they?

Bananaturbo

They do actually.

You can buy them in lots of shops. And Schumacher still have it marked as New on there website.

There are two. Ones called Nitro 21 XT-R thats the older one. And the newer ones called Nitro 21 XTR-3E. I belive some still call it the Desert storm?

dude7422

hello everyone schumacher has made some great rc cars in the past "BUT" they always fall short in the replacement parts dept cant buy replacement parts in usa at lhs or online in usa GET TOWER TO STOCK SCHUMACHER PARTS is all

Bananaturbo

Thats not true anymore.

This guy called Rob. He will answer all your questions about all the Schumachers to make sure you get waht your after.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/forumid_461/tt.htm

He also has a shop and will ship anywhere in the USA. Schumacher-RC.com

I would recomend any of Shumachers nitro cars though after owning a few. Although i have been told all RTR cars are the same.

Groundman

All the parts you need here in the good ole USA ! No need to get Tower to stock, because Schumacher wont sell to them ! Here is a link for the schumacher store , check it out ! www.schumacher-rc.com

PENGUINBLASTER!!!

A menace with a big block conversion kit and an STS 30 (.30ci) would whoop the Jato 3.3cc (.20ci) plus the handling would be way better with 4wd.

Kdog3.3

But what if the jato had a big block conversion and 4wd? The odds even again[>:]

Groundman

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kdog, you hit the million dollar answer, even them up and then see how they compete. These are two seperate beast that shine in thier own right ! Just unevenly matched against each other as of today !

Number 1

If the Menace can't turn the fusion stock pinion with the big block converstion then it will be slower on top speed than with the .21 because the .28 doesnt rev as high.

A lot of "what if's" ground man.

The fact is the Revo is the four wheel drive Tranaxx and the Jato is the rear wheel drive.
And IMO the RTR Jato and RTR 4x4 Menace are not beasts that shine.
Instead they are poorly and cheaply designed to make maximum revenue.
With outragous top speed claims.
One thing you can say about Tranaxx though is they sell a lot and most seem very happy. And after being radared they do actually get to to speed which is claimed.

Retailers selling Schumachers however claim a top speed of 80mph for their fusion. As stock it reaches around 68mph.
And 70mph for the Menace 4x4 and didnt somone say they only got 58mph out of it?

Thats shocking and they should be stopped!
Schumacher are playing above the law . And it is clearing incorrectly advertised. And ilegal!

After saying that i should mention i do own a Schumacher Fusion. Terrible design and wrongly advertised. But i like it a lot.
Not a bad shell for my first attempt.

sparkx1724

I have a Menace and I have raced 2.5 Jato and 3.3 Jato and beat both with ease the 2.5 just did not have enough power and the 3.3 just popped wheelies all over the place not good for a all out drag race kind lame with the wheelies.

KillerJato

The Jato will tear up the Menace in a drag. The Menance doesn't even come close. Neither of there claims are true on top speed, the Menace will absolutely not do as advertised, and the Jato will do faster then advertised. I guess thats why they put the 65+ for the Jato.

alvinm

Unfortunately my lhs dictates what I buy and I dont think they have a single schumacher part.

davenraithatha

sparkx1724 says he's raced both 2.5 and 3.3 jatos and beat them both so whats the problem

sparkx1724

I admit that it is much easier to get parts for the jato but dont get it twisted,if the jato top speed is 65 the menace I would say 68 the Menace is kinda a exotic in the industry and the Traxxas parts dont seem to be all that great I have owned a jato 2.5 and the parts sucked The Jato has the potential to be great they just do dumb stuff like stuff a 3.3 in a truck that light and it flips all around and it bad to run the Menace on the other hand just tears off the line and you dont even need the third gear to oust the Jato.

sparkx1724

By the way there is a .28 conversion for the Menace so if you wanna dance come on no but seriously out of the box The Menace is faster than the 3.3 Jato,the down side of the Menace is the muffler it is too small for a.21 or a.28 it will loose power on the low end but like I said no need for 3rd gear to beat the jato 2.5 or 3.3

ProRCRacer88

In a race between the 3.3jato and menace, both trucks being stock, the menace would win because of more traction and more controlled WOT. If you had foams on both trucks and the jato had a wheelybar right on the ground to prevent it from wheelying at all, then it would be a much better anf fair race.

KillerJato

OMG not this crap agian, Many out of the box stock jatos can go 70mph do you listen to anything or do you have seletive hearing. That little menance is proven junk and overrated, overstated. Menance 68mph ha, i've seen several and my jato takes then every time.
I have race one with the 3speed and wow not even close Jato is outright the faster truck.

KillerJato

Learn how to drive a jato and u won't be pulling all them wheelies or losing control of it.