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    RE: The 800-pound gorilla sitting in the corner

    I've juried on two rape trials and one stabbing and the whole court process (in Australia) is nothing short of a bad joke. To be fair, there is no incentive in the cases I was on for the police to do a proper job, these were not headline cases or career makers by any streatch of the imagination.

    Did the woman who was accused of stabbing her husband actually stab him? Yes she did.

    Was she guilty of the charges laid against her? No she wasn't.

    We all knew what she'd done, the intent with which she had done it but we couldn't find her guilty of the charges laid against her.

    What happens in a courtroom and the outcomes from it don't decide who's a good bloke that I want in my social circle and who's not....


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    RE: The 800-pound gorilla sitting in the corner


    ORIGINAL: David Bathe

    errr... didn't he already admit to being guilty when he was originally charged?
    Don't get me wrong... I'm a great believer that one's innocent until found guilty... unless of course, one's already admitted ones guilt!

    Imagine this scenario:
    You're caught in a sting operation trying to solicit sex with an underage girl.
    You admit to the charges.
    Months later, case dropped because of some police/legal technicality.
    You're free! Life's back to normal.
    Hello?*





    This is the crux of the issue most of us have with the process. We've only heard what the prosecution has released to the press, and they did so to the press prior to any conviction. I'm not saying there aren't some real lowlifes in that group, but it doesn't change the fact they they're now guilty in the court of public opinion, with no due process.

    As for what he said when charged, there are rumors that the audio tapes vary GREATLY from what the released information portrays. Until the case goes to trial, and the events are made public record, we only have ONE side of the issue. Do I think Jason has a problem? Yes. Do I think he committed a crime? I don't know, because I'm not privy to all the information, I'm not on the jury, and the trial hasn't happened yet. Until that time, I will not convict, and sentence Jason in a kangaroo court like this.

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    RE: The 800-pound gorilla sitting in the corner


    ORIGINAL: Doug Cronkhite


    ORIGINAL: David Bathe

    errr... didn't he already admit to being guilty when he was originally charged?
    Don't get me wrong... I'm a great believer that one's innocent until found guilty... unless of course, one's already admitted ones guilt!

    Imagine this scenario:
    You're caught in a sting operation trying to solicit sex with an underage girl.
    You admit to the charges.
    Months later, case dropped because of some police/legal technicality.
    You're free! Life's back to normal.
    Hello?*





    This is the crux of the issue most of us have with the process. We've only heard what the prosecution has released to the press, and they did so to the press prior to any conviction. I'm not saying there aren't some real lowlifes in that group, but it doesn't change the fact they they're now guilty in the court of public opinion, with no due process.

    As for what he said when charged, there are rumors that the audio tapes vary GREATLY from what the released information portrays. Until the case goes to trial, and the events are made public record, we only have ONE side of the issue. Do I think Jason has a problem? Yes. Do I think he committed a crime? I don't know, because I'm not privy to all the information, I'm not on the jury, and the trial hasn't happened yet. Until that time, I will not convict, and sentence Jason in a kangaroo court like this.

    In many cases, what you say holds true. In many, not. In some you just know that person is guilty. Take the shooter that killed all those people in Arizona and that shot a senator. He is, in our sistem of law not guilty. We had a drunk lady kill a kid close by here, and she was completely wasted (drunk) at the site of the accident. The kid died that night. She was for the law still not guilty (serving time now). Take the lone guy that hears a knock at his door, and the cops come in looking for kiddie porno in this person's computer. They find it. Still he is not guilty. Say a person goes to meet a minor to have sex with her. He thinks it is a 14 year old, and he corresponded with her. At the time of the arrest, the cops have all the proof they need in their hands. Yet, he is not guilty for the law.

    In my book, all these are guilty like hell, sorry. No benefit of the doubt in any of these cases.

    Other cases (most other cases) are not so clear. Cops are called in because of a domestic dispute. She is beaten up, he has been cut with a knife. At the scene, of course you cannot tell what happened. In this particular case we will never know. Take the kid that shot R.Regan. any doubt of his guilt at the scene. I do not think so... Yet, for the law, it was "alleged". Until a jury of their peers find them guilty.

    As far as having One side of the issue, it is not true. In real life the Defense starts damage control as soon as they are hired or assigned. It is their job, that is how our system of justice works, and everybody involved knows how it works.

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    RE: The 800-pound gorilla sitting in the corner

    Hey Mike can you believe these people are grown men? Makes me wonder the integrity of the sport but rumor has it these cronies are miserable themselves. They are redundant, twofaced and full of themselves. I’m shocked that these guys don’t have anything better to talk about. You and Mike C said it all.
    It is what it is, why don’t they quit making fools of themselves and talk about this sport in a positive manner. I get it, I read the posts. Why do they keep repeating over and over the same thing? If you gave these guys a 100. Bill they would bi*** because they would have to break it. Nag nag nag. Maybe this sport isn’t for young girls but I have good memories of my grandfather flying models.
    It looks like Mike C has better things to do than argue with these guys. I am amazed that everyone talking crap as never made a mistake.I don’t know the accused personally and I’m not sure what I would do if I were in his shoes.I am new to this sport and reading all the trash in this forum really puts a black cloud on everything I have been told. No wonder there isn’t many females in this sport too many cranky, fat, old guys. I think I’m going to use this forum in my psychology class, there is certainly tons of personalities to write about.
    Mike you mentioned the skeletons in the closet and I believe your right. They trash one person so the heat is off them. These guys could be profiled just by their posts alone. Oh well that’s ok we all are entitled to our own opinions.
    I did learn something from this that......... it is easy to pull the jewels out on the table when you’re behind a computer.
    Have a good weekend!!

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    RE: The 800-pound gorilla sitting in the corner

    the problem seems to be that most people cant tell the difference between pothead and a child sex offender.

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    RE: The 800-pound gorilla sitting in the corner

    No the problem is you people have no clue as to the entire situation (facts) and are talking out of your ar$$. Most of you have never meet J and don't know him. This type of horse Poo will probably drive me from the Hobby. Not what J is accused of or if he will be at the field when I show up.

    I don't want to fly in front off people that are judging with preconceived notions, which is what this thread has turned into. Make your judgments after the facts have been placed into evidence in a court of law all of the facts not the accusers slant on what they say happened.

    Fact is J is my friend and will continue to be regardless of the outcome, and you all can KISS MY AR$$.

    IF he is found guilty he will surely pay. ( railroaded or not) and you can still KISS MY ARSS

    If found innocent YOU CAN STILL KISS MY AR$$.

    This thread is a waste...

    Pucker up!!!

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    RE: The 800-pound gorilla sitting in the corner

    Go out fly, practice a lot to the upcoming WC, leave the guy in peace and wish him well, everybody have some funny ideas once and a while

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    RE: The 800-pound gorilla sitting in the corner

    I suppose Jason's suporters have figured out the fastest way to get this thread shut down is to start personal attacks and use offensve language.

    I just hope the mods clean up the offending posts and issue the necessary points and warnings rather than give them what they want and delete it entirely.

    It hasn't yet gone around in a complete circle but it's not being productive anymore. I suppose those that feel strongly against what Jason has been accused of need to ask the event sponsers if they feel the same way. If the event sponsers are happy to be involved than you've done all you can do and the only option left is to not support the event or pattern in general.

    I think were all grown up enough to realise it's hard to change someone's opinion via forum posts.

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    RE: The 800-pound gorilla sitting in the corner


    I am just thinking about this poor guy who just signed up to RCUNIVERSE to learn more about pattern and gets confronted with all this. I really hope somebody at RCUniverse wakes up and removes this whole thread. It is terrible and not what pattern is about IMHO.

    Although I do have an opinion about all of this I will not ventilate it at this podium. Totally useless.

    I will leave it at that.

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    RE: The 800-pound gorilla sitting in the corner

    LOL reading some of these posts are really entertaining. I can't tell but it looks like recruitment for the American Nazi Party has begun in earnest! I mean hey, look how many great potential jurors we have here. They're so good they don't even NEED to hear the evidence, they just KNOW what's up because Mr. Piggy told them so! SEIG HEIL!!!!!

    You fools wouldn't know what liberty was if it bit you in the *****.

    Make no mistake, this isn't about defending Jason. I'd defend the worst of you in the same situation. This is about nothing less than the ugliness of a mob mentality coupled with relative seperation granted by the computer. You LOVE giving that "slimeball" hell, but if you were standing in front of him, every last one of you would run hide behind something and cower. Oh that's right....I don't see any names of people who actually GO to contests. I quit flying 2 years ago and I've been to more contests than you have since then.

    Now if any of you are actually involved with law enforcement and this case in particular, speak up. Hear those crickets? That's what I thought. You know exactly SH1T concerning this case. NOTHING but rumor and media slant. But you just "know".....how wonderful it must be. Psychic fascists WOOT!!!

    Look. This is a thought crime. There was, is, and never will be any 14 year old girl. In most states this wouldn't have even happened. But good ole Everette's (you brought it up) goose stepping right wing cronies made this law SPECIFICALLY for this reason, and you are LOVING THE SHOW. (Don't try that "liberal" crap on me bud, I've been a republican my whole life. I just happen to be a REAL conservative, the kind that has an ounce of compassion. Conservatism without temperment and compassion = fascism.....COLD.)

    So we're now prosecuting thought crimes. Really? Holy crap I'm in trouble. Cuz I have SERIOUSLY considered murder for a few brief moments in my life. Moreso in the last few years I admit LOL. So I'm a murderer now according to your logic. Especially if an imaginary dude pisses me off and I want to kill him. George Orwell was a visionary wasn't he?

    hey Pinkie, don;'t worry you have good people to fly with and that's all you need. I am not so fortunate where I live. Dean moved off (quit actually because of this very same crap) and Marcio and Victor are too far away. The rest fly at clubs where this type of thing is common place. I don't enjoy spending my time around people with no soul. That's all there is to it. Man I miss Jim Ivey.

    The REAL problem is all of those people camped up there in the "users viewing this thread" that are too cowardly to step in and condemn this stuff because they don't want to "dirty themselves" with it. They're content to let this fester until there's nothing left. How many people have left pattern since I've been flying because of the ugliness of a few people? If you think it's a small number you're living under a rock. You keep allowing these people to do damage over and over and you'll have nothing left. No skin off my teeth, I left my ton of flesh out there and I'm done. This is why.

    Go ahead. Keep reading, calling each other to laugh about it all, and watch it all disintegrate before your eyes. You have no problem losing 100 people to avoid a confrontation with 3. Good luck holding a contest with 6 people. It's getting there fast and you won't be able to ignore it forever. What's happening in this thread is only a symptom.

    Ya know, there have been times I didn't particularly like Jason very much. For tangible reasons. You know, stuff that was actually done that affected ME. But I've always had compassion for the dude even then. Moreso now than EVER. I'm sure by now he knows how some of us feel. Keep reading and watching boys, and stay QUIET. It will be YOU one day. And pattern will be something you can only find in old magazines. I'm 110% convinced of this FACT. Wouldn't be a bad idea to wake up and look what's going on in the waking world while you're at it. One day you'll be in jail for thinking bad thoughts too. Crazy? Tell someone in 1980 you could be jailed for thinking about something, or that prisons would be run for PROFIT, and wait for the laughter.

    Now go ahead, masters of the RCUniverse. Tell me how you're any better than a dude in a robe in ancient rome watching someone getting eaten alive by a lion for "punishment" and your viewing pleasure. All because he said something the Emporer didn't like.

    Mean people suck. End of line...

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    RE: The 800-pound gorilla sitting in the corner

    Mike, you are so deep! Thanks for the compliment. Now please tell us what you've been smoking? Regards, Everette

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    ORIGINAL: haikt

    the problem seems to be that most people cant tell the difference between pothead and a child sex offender.
    The problem is that the cops don't know the difference.

    I don't see any child sex offender here yet. I see a guy who made some seriously risky decisions and paid for it with EVERYTHING.

    If you KNOW he's guilty, you're psychic. Have a hotline do ya?

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    ORIGINAL: wattsup

    Mike, you are so deep! Thanks for the compliment. Now please tell us what you've been smoking? Regards, Everette
    You're welcome mein fuhrer.

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    Mike, I just love your compassionate side! Regards, Everette

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    ORIGINAL: wattsup

    Mike, I just love your compassionate side! Regards, Everette
    Keep trying and maybe you'll have one too some day. My guess is you ran out of it in the ER and don't have much left for the rest of the world?

    I dunno. But I don't see it here, for sure. Point me at it if I missed it.

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    RE: The 800-pound gorilla sitting in the corner

    Mike, as you and few others know, I have had a serious health issue the last 2 years and have not been able to travel and compete. But, hopefully this health issue has been resolved and I am back flying and have been practicing the new Master's pattern. It's a challenge but, I still love it! On a serious note, I do miss all the guys we use to fly with at all the contests in our district , particularly Jim Ivey. I hope your health improves to the extent that you are able to fly and attend some of the upcoming contests this year. I also miss seeing your Black Magic's fly in all the
    classes. Oh, BTW before I forget, I was not the one that stomped one of your Black Magic's to death in the parking lot following a zero round in Master's at last years Nats! I was not an eye witness but was made aware of the problem. I have not been to or competed at the Nat's for approx 5 years but hopefully that will change. We'll see. Looking forward to hanging out with you in the near future. Regards, Everette

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    RE: The 800-pound gorilla sitting in the corner

    Thanks for that. One thing:

    The alleged stomping incident. Don't worry, I heard all about it. Great example. If I followed some of your logic, I'd HATE that person. Now ask anyone who talked to me and ask them what I said. I don't "do" rumor. I don't care if he gently disassembled it, or set it on fire and sang koombayah. It was his to do with as he pleased. IF it was true it might be considered a little disrespectful, but then really, who cares if it's true or not. I certainly don't. What does it matter?

    Bottom line is that plane had a bazillion flights on it, a crash and rebuild, etc. I didn't finish the new one in time and that is MY fault, not his. I was too stubborn because I hate not finishing what I start. I could have handed that project off a couple of times but I didn't. That's on me, not him. How he handled the situation when it's number came up well... that's on him, not me. I hope he handled it with grace. And I hope I would have. But look at that particular airframe's record. win win win win and a couple 2nds at the nats....CLOSE ones that could have gone either way depending on numbers and interpretation. If that plane were to get a viking funeral (AKA burned) it would be an honorable death. How many of us have had planes with that kind of success for that long? Think about it.

    Nope my health did me in last year, and my general attitude finished the job. Sure I have had some people cross paths with me that I REALLY don't care for because of things they did to me PERSONALLY, but the one you cited isn't on that list. Should he be? Not my call to make. But I made that call already and the answer is no, he's not on that list. We did a lot for each other over the years and bottom line it was time for a change, for both of us.

    And I am not going to throw him under the bus for it. That would make me just as bad as some of the people here, and I ain't goin there.

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    RE: The 800-pound gorilla sitting in the corner

    Hi, Mike:

    With all due respect - and it is considerable in light of your contributions to the hobby/sport - I can imagine that more people are lurking and not weighing in to opine because there is no point in debating someone who sees "thinking" and "acting" as the same thing.

    What we're talking about here is someone who (allegedly, at this point) did a heckuva lot more than just "think". He communicated back and forth to make detailed and specific plans to engage in an illegal activity, and then got in a car and traveled some distance with every intent (again, allegedly at this point) to carry them out. If you can't discern the difference between the two, what's the point even discussing it?

    You claim to revere the Constitution. Do you? Yes, it gives defendants a lot of rights, but it also gives society at large some defensive mechanisms as well. The constitutional legitimacy of the "sting" as a law enforcement tool has been upheld time and time again by state and federal courts, all the way up to the Supremes, composed of judges and justices that lean both left and right. That is why the penalties for conspiracy are in most cases nearly as severe as those for actual commission of a crime. Law enforcement agencies have been using it for a long time and are well versed in scripting them to demonstrate intent, which is the crux of a successful prosecution. Entrapment, which is convincing someone to do something he would not otherwise do, is a legal stumble that is not often made these days, and the sting scripts usually give potential offenders multiple opportunities to opt out.

    You say you are compassionate, but where is your compassion for the victims of these crimes, who are at the very least emotionally scarred for their entire lifetimes? That is the point of these operations, and when they are set in motion there is no plan (usually) on the part of law enforcement to go after any specific individual.

    This kind of sting is set up to catch serious, serial offenders, and my guess (pure, unalloyed speculation) is that Jason is a little fish that got caught in the net because of a one-time, dumb@$$ mistake. Even if he is convicted or pleads, assuming there is no furthere evidence of past and repeated similar behavior, he might get probation and court-ordered counseling.

    Whatever the outcome, this whole nasty episode will have gone a long way toward "curing" whatever emotional or psychological ailments might have existed.

    I wish Jason, and especially his family, friends and supporters, all the best going forward.

    From a compassionate, cigar-smoking law enforcement guy (a Piggy? wow... hmmm...)
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    RE: The 800-pound gorilla sitting in the corner

    Mike, you just restored my respect for you. That particular individual is sponsored by several big names_ ie, Futaba for one, and failed to realize the possible consequences of his act of unsportmanship like conduct which I might add is a direct violation of AMA's Code of Conduct and from what I have learned, could have been disqualified from the event. I for one am glad I did not witness such an act. We in pattern have enough problems without including one individual's problem with anger management. As a result, I will NEVER purchase any product with Futaba's name on it. I personally wish you good health and happiness in all your future endeavors. Regards, Everette

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    RE: The 800-pound gorilla sitting in the corner

    Guys Guys Guys can everyone please chill out. Does anyone see how this situation has turned a once happy place into a place where people come to argue with other people that they once could have a happy conversation with other the internet. This whole thread is very stupid in my opinion, nothing said on here has no bearing what so ever on the decision that is going to be made about the team. NONE OF THIS REALLY MATTERS IN THE WASH. So everyone please just stop is this worth it. This is furthermore showing people another reason not to come in the pattern side of this hobby. You got people like Mike Hester who everyone is D3 misses who has to come back to the hobby that he once enjoyed to this BS. Jason is either guilty or innocent whatever is said on here isnt gonna move the judge, AMA, and the Team Manager in anyway. So please just stop guys please.

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    ORIGINAL: cmoulder

    Hi, Mike:

    With all due respect - and it is considerable in light of your contributions to the hobby/sport - I can imagine that more people are lurking and not weighing in to opine because there is no point in debating someone who sees ''thinking'' and ''acting'' as the same thing.

    What we're talking about here is someone who (allegedly, at this point) did a heckuva lot more than just ''think''. He communicated back and forth to make detailed and specific plans to engage in an illegal activity, and then got in a car and traveled some distance with every intent (again, allegedly at this point) to carry them out. If you can't discern the difference between the two, what's the point even discussing it?

    You claim to revere the Constitution. Do you? Yes, it gives defendants a lot of rights, but it also gives society at large some defensive mechanisms as well. The constitutional legitimacy of the ''sting'' as a law enforcement tool has been upheld time and time again by state and federal courts, all the way up to the Supremes, composed of judges and justices that lean both left and right. That is why the penalties for conspiracy are in most cases nearly as severe as those for actual commission of a crime. Law enforcement agencies have been using it for a long time and are well versed in scripting them to demonstrate intent, which is the crux of a successful prosecution. Entrapment, which is convincing someone to do something he would not otherwise do, is a legal stumble that is not often made these days, and the sting scripts usually give potential offenders multiple opportunities to opt out.

    You say you are compassionate, but where is your compassion for the victims of these crimes, who are at the very least emotionally scarred for their entire lifetimes? That is the point of these operations, and when they are set in motion there is no plan (usually) on the part of law enforcement to go after any specific individual.

    This kind of sting is set up to catch serious, serial offenders, and my guess (pure, unalloyed speculation) is that Jason is a little fish that got caught in the net because of a one-time, dumb@$$ mistake. Even if he is convicted or pleads, assuming there is no furthere evidence of past and repeated similar behavior, he might get probation and court-ordered counseling.

    Whatever the outcome, this whole nasty episode will have gone a long way toward ''curing'' whatever emotional or psychological ailments might have existed.

    I wish Jason, and especially his family, friends and supporters, all the best going forward.

    From a compassionate, cigar-smoking law enforcement guy (a Piggy? wow... hmmm...)
    yes, "piggy". If you're really in Law enforcement and that term bothers you, your skin is much too thin to be a cop. I have SEVERAL friends and ex colleagues who were/are still in Law enforcement and that term is a joke as old as bacon, fuzz, heat, smokey bear, etc. Now realize most of my experience is from downtown Atl, zone 1 and 3. I lived in East point and College park most of my life until my late 20s. Anyone who knows that area knows....you're a predator or you are prey. LEO or civillian.

    If you ARE in law enforcement then you know what I say has a heck of a lot of truth. Admitting that here or not is irrelavent, but at least it's a common frame of reference. I've been on both sides of the fence and I have seen a LOT. Good guys, bad guys, and everything in between. you know as well as I do how much corruption there is in the police department, especially in ANY large city. The biggest drug dealers in Atlanta were ALL cops. Do a google search on "Atlanta red dog unit" and have yourself a ball reading about these salt of the earth stellar citizens. I've been personal witness to what happens when a distant family member gets railroaded by an over zealous group of cops. It's INSANE at the rate it happens but it's never front page news is it?

    The only reason I even bring it up is simple. All any of us have is the word of the police. Period. Nada else. I'm sorry but I don't automatically believe something just because a cop says so. They're human beings, not infallable gods. yes they have hard job but they CHOSE that job and the responsibility that goes with it. You and I both know how easy it is to slant a conversation to get exactly what charges you want. The only thing is it all depends on the particular officer, detective whatever.

    Sorry, I want proof, not talk. The more serious the charge, the more proof I want. If I get on a jury and all they present is the officer's testimony, they lose with me. But had I never had any direct experience with law enforcement myself, I can see why someone would just take them at thier word. Sorry, but if I had a nickel for every time a cop planted evidence (and laughed about it), and I saw it with my OWN EYES, I'd be rich. After all, it's really not often we get told about it (general public). We're supposed to believe they're out there protecting our children. Some are. Some are in it for the money. Some for the power trip. Deny it, you can't if you're being honest. ESPECIALLY if you're in LE in NY.

    Here's the thing. Are you personally privvy to the "facts" in this case? I doubt it. But being on the other side of the blue curtain, I more than expect your veiw point. Remember, and keep in mind, I am NOT accusing you of ANYTHING. I am simply explaining that I see different possibilities, that's all. And that's what court is for. To sort it out. From what I hear, (rumor of course), there are more than a few discrepancies in this case and I am fairly confident the outcome isn't going to be what most people here seem to think. If he's dead guilty, then that's that. My point is too many people assume guilt before it's established.

    As far as the constitution and it's interpretation, why do we even have a supreme court if it's all been decided long ago? It's because it hasn't been. It's always an ongoing arguement. it was designed that way from the beginning. it used to be illegal for a black guy to eat in the same resturaunt as whites. Remember that? Were "we" right then too? We owned slaves and that was legal at one time. A long time at that. Why do we not have slaves now? Because the interpretation changed.

    Show me one person here that condones child sex offenses. I'll wait......

    But we don't have that right now, we have a law enforcement department that charged him with "intent" and that's ALL we have. Anything beyond that is pure speculation, and I fail to see the point. I've had the "intent" to do a lot of things, but I thought better of it and didn't actually do it. We know for a fact Jason didn't go to thier bust house. Who can really say what he would have done? You can guess all day long but you aren't necessarily right. because you don't know. Did any of you see the alleged pics on his phone or computer? Nope. All you saw was a police report (misdated BTW LOL). I can't count how many police reports I've filled out, and that one was one SLOPPY mess of a job. If you read it you know what I mean.

    Of course I see the need for REAL predators to get caught. But there are ways to do things and there are ways NOT to. in my opinion this case may well be the latter. I realize it depends a lot on your personal views and I have no false impressions of changing any minds about anything. What sickens me is the fact that the damage is done. if they came out tomorrow and acquitted him of everything, it wouldn't be enough to undo the damage. Yeah he screwed up. But that's a mighty big leap from what they have actually shown us and a conviction.

    Keep up the good fight Mr. Piggy. (LOL) Seriously, thanks for your hard work and putting yourself in danger if that's what you do. But don't expect some of us who have had bad personal experiences to automatically believe everything LE says at face value just because they wear a badge. When I see holy divine light exuding from a cop, then maybe. Till then, he puts his pants on one leg at a time just like me. And he's not infallable and THAT is why that's in the constitution. So I'm content to wait until due process has been achieved. NOT before that.

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    Silent-AV8R, Please give me a break! These individuals that were involved in this sting operation made a choice to participate. All be it a bad choice. No one forced them into anything! I see you hail from the proud/liberal State of California. AKA Nancy Pelosi Land! I can remember growing up in North West Florida in the late 50's and 60's back when Florida was a ''liberal hot bed''! Please note, today because of a change in politics, Florida leads the Nation in the annual rate of executions of convicted criminals/murderers! HOORAH! The best to you and good luck, you will need it!_____Everette

    Just FYI, I live in south Orange County, one of the most conservative areas of the Nation. We vote almost entirely Republican. So while I was amused your rant, please understand that it was based on a complete ignorance of who I am, where I am, and what I was trying to say.

    As far as your proud support of capital punishment goes, I found this interesting about your state:

    Florida murder rate up, other violent crimes down

    http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news...s-down?cid=rss
    SO the death penalty thing really seems to be helping, or not!

    WRT this situation, I stand by my assertion that I am not comfortable with the police contriving circumstances designed to lure people into criminal behavior. It does not mean I approve of the behavior.
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    Guys Guys Guys can everyone please chill out. Does anyone see how this situation has turned a once happy place into a place where people come to argue with other people that they once could have a happy conversation with other the internet. This whole thread is very stupid in my opinion, nothing said on here has no bearing what so ever on the decision that is going to be made about the team. NONE OF THIS REALLY MATTERS IN THE WASH. So everyone please just stop is this worth it. This is furthermore showing people another reason not to come in the pattern side of this hobby. You got people like Mike Hester who everyone is D3 misses who has to come back to the hobby that he once enjoyed to this BS. Jason is either guilty or innocent whatever is said on here isnt gonna move the judge, AMA, and the Team Manager in anyway. So please just stop guys please.
    Thanks my friend, I miss you too.

    For my part, I simply have nothing better to do and you know I love a good scrap LOL

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    People often forget that the term PIG for police officers IS NOT A DEROGATORY TERM. It comes from the following:

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    Well guys, now I've had to step back in here again. I have warned this thread and those participating in this discussion to keep the topic of how the US team is affected by the current events that have happened, I have also warned that WE WILL NOT DISCUSS THE DETAILS here of the incident. I had assumed that this was an intelligent mature group of people that could do this, unfortunately I was mistaken in that assumption.

    Some people here simply want to try an discuss the details and try to convict Jason here in the court of public opinion. This is not going to happen in the forums of RCU. This group here has been warned of this more than once. So I'm going to restate the position. Yes, the incident has happened, but as of this time Jason has not gone to court and has not had judgement passed. We can talk about how this turn of events may affect his participation on the US team, or his participation in this hobby. This is what RCU is all about. But we are not going to sit here and discuss the details of the law, what some think his intent was, details about what happened, other cases, or anything else that doesn't apply to RC. Period.

    As I said, I've made a warning in the past about this which was ignored. So I'm not going to make another warning. But I will make a promise, and I mean this. Any person here that wants to try and drag this thread (or any other on RCU pertaining to this issue) into the mud WILL BE PLACED ON MODERATED STATUS. Period. Do I have every-body's attention now??? There will not be any more warnings. I will simply place you on MS and send you a notification that this has happened. I am sorry that I have to put it so bluntly to everybody here, but trying to be nice and issue warnings didn't work, so I have to resort to something else.

    Other forums can spend 50+ pages dragging crap through the mud like this, but here are RCU we hold ourselves to a higher standard and we will keep that standard. Jason is innocent until a court rules anything different. Period.

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