The 800-pound gorilla sitting in the corner
01-19-2011, 09:50 AM
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The 800-pound gorilla sitting in the corner
OK, it's been a while now, and I hope we can have a discussion on this without it breaking down into mud-slinging and end up locking (or deleting) the thread. There's been an 800-pound gorilla sitting in the corner for almost six months now, and as a supporter of the USA F3A team, I'd kinda like an answer: Who will be representing the USA at the 2011 World Championships? We all know what happened, and we don't need to re-hash that. I've heard much speculation from people who claim that a decision has been made, but nothing has ever been announced. I even tried the AMA's home page for the team member/manager list, but it doesn't pull up any documents, just re-opens the same page.
01-19-2011, 10:43 AM
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Page 10 of [link=http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/Bulletin1.pdf]Bulletin 1[/link] regarding the F3A worlds has the preliminary submission form participating countries are to use to indicate the number of individuals on their respective team. Interesting it does not ask for names. The submission deadline is February 1st 2011. I can only assume and hope the subsequent bulletins when they are published will list each countries team members by name as information becomes available.
By the way that's a good looking airplane on page 9 of [link=http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/Bulletin1.pdf]Bulletin 1[/link]
By the way that's a good looking airplane on page 9 of [link=http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/Bulletin1.pdf]Bulletin 1[/link]
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01-19-2011, 11:04 AM
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RE: The 800-pound gorilla sitting in the corner
This is why we have alternates. They should always be fully prepared to fill in at the last minute if a primary cannot attend. It is even easier this year since the Worlds will be held in the states the week before the Nats at the same location. I'm sure an announcement will be made at the appropriate time. I don't see a need to speculate here.
01-19-2011, 01:42 PM
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RE: The 800-pound gorilla sitting in the corner
ORIGINAL: jonlowe
This is why we have alternates. They should always be fully prepared to fill in at the last minute if a primary cannot attend. It is even easier this year since the Worlds will be held in the states the week before the Nats at the same location. I'm sure an announcement will be made at the appropriate time. I don't see a need to speculate here.
This is why we have alternates. They should always be fully prepared to fill in at the last minute if a primary cannot attend. It is even easier this year since the Worlds will be held in the states the week before the Nats at the same location. I'm sure an announcement will be made at the appropriate time. I don't see a need to speculate here.
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By the way that's a good looking airplane on page 9 of [link=http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/Bulletin1.pdf]Bulletin 1[/link]
By the way that's a good looking airplane on page 9 of [link=http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/Bulletin1.pdf]Bulletin 1[/link]
01-19-2011, 05:35 PM
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Not to play devil's advocate much, but is it up to the team manager/officials to decide upon who actually flies on the team? Do they even have the option of making that call? Allowing the team management to decide the team pilots or make changes to the team on their own outside of the results of the selection contest seems like it sets a dangerous precedent, and creates a very slippery slope of simply changing team pilots because someone doesn't happen to like someone else.
Keeping in mind of course, the 800 lb gorilla could in fact result in nothing, regardless of how things look now. People still are in fact innocent until proven guilty in this country, and as a result the team should be as decided upon in the selection contest until such time as a pilot advises the management they will be unable to compete. All alternates should be as ready to go as possible if that word comes.
Keeping in mind of course, the 800 lb gorilla could in fact result in nothing, regardless of how things look now. People still are in fact innocent until proven guilty in this country, and as a result the team should be as decided upon in the selection contest until such time as a pilot advises the management they will be unable to compete. All alternates should be as ready to go as possible if that word comes.
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can anyone point out out what is the gorilla and what has happned i dont want to start anything just wanted to know what the history was can somone maybe pm me please
01-20-2011, 04:35 AM
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ORIGINAL: Doug Cronkhite
Not to play devil's advocate much, but is it up to the team manager/officials to decide upon who actually flies on the team? Do they even have the option of making that call? Allowing the team management to decide the team pilots or make changes to the team on their own outside of the results of the selection contest seems like it sets a dangerous precedent, and creates a very slippery slope of simply changing team pilots because someone doesn't happen to like someone else.
Keeping in mind of course, the 800 lb gorilla could in fact result in nothing, regardless of how things look now. People still are in fact innocent until proven guilty in this country, and as a result the team should be as decided upon in the selection contest until such time as a pilot advises the management they will be unable to compete. All alternates should be as ready to go as possible if that word comes.
Not to play devil's advocate much, but is it up to the team manager/officials to decide upon who actually flies on the team? Do they even have the option of making that call? Allowing the team management to decide the team pilots or make changes to the team on their own outside of the results of the selection contest seems like it sets a dangerous precedent, and creates a very slippery slope of simply changing team pilots because someone doesn't happen to like someone else.
Keeping in mind of course, the 800 lb gorilla could in fact result in nothing, regardless of how things look now. People still are in fact innocent until proven guilty in this country, and as a result the team should be as decided upon in the selection contest until such time as a pilot advises the management they will be unable to compete. All alternates should be as ready to go as possible if that word comes.
VII. World Championship Teams
Becoming a team member carries with it the obligation to work in harmony with the other team members, and in particular, to be responsive and submit to the guidance and direction of the team manager. A team member’s conduct should never cause embarrassment or discredit to the Academy or the United States.All team members shall be present at all official functions at a World Championship. This includes the opening and closing ceremonies and the banquet.
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ORIGINAL: haikt
can anyone point out out what is the gorilla and what has happned i dont want to start anything just wanted to know what the history was can somone maybe pm me please
can anyone point out out what is the gorilla and what has happned i dont want to start anything just wanted to know what the history was can somone maybe pm me please
This discussion concerns the official and final decision concerning the composition of the Worlds team, and nothing more.
It shouldn't be a difficult decision inasmuch as Alternates were decided at the Nats based on their scores. And they are world-class pilots.
I PM'd so you can search the information yourself.
01-20-2011, 07:00 AM
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ORIGINAL: Taurus Flyer
Gents,
All details are known, also outside the USA.
I think it would have been better never start this thread!
Cees
Gents,
All details are known, also outside the USA.
I think it would have been better never start this thread!
Cees
01-20-2011, 09:33 AM
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VII. World Championship Teams
Becoming a team member carries with it the obligation to work in harmony with the other team members, and in particular, to be responsive and submit to the guidance and direction of the team manager. A team member’s conduct should never cause embarrassment or discredit to the Academy or the United States.All team members shall be present at all official functions at a World Championship. This includes the opening and closing ceremonies and the banquet.
VII. World Championship Teams
Becoming a team member carries with it the obligation to work in harmony with the other team members, and in particular, to be responsive and submit to the guidance and direction of the team manager. A team member’s conduct should never cause embarrassment or discredit to the Academy or the United States.All team members shall be present at all official functions at a World Championship. This includes the opening and closing ceremonies and the banquet.
I also don't think your support of the team should be predicated upon who's actually on the team, unless you would have a moral objection to supporting someone who's been accused of having legal trouble outside of the flying circle. Yes, I'm choosing my words carefully here because as of right now it's still only charges.
My position.. support the team as a whole, regardless of who is actually flying.
01-20-2011, 12:10 PM
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ORIGINAL: Doug Cronkhite
Not to play devil's advocate much, but is it up to the team manager/officials to decide upon who actually flies on the team? Do they even have the option of making that call? Allowing the team management to decide the team pilots or make changes to the team on their own outside of the results of the selection contest seems like it sets a dangerous precedent, and creates a very slippery slope of simply changing team pilots because someone doesn't happen to like someone else.
Keeping in mind of course, the 800 lb gorilla could in fact result in nothing, regardless of how things look now. People still are in fact innocent until proven guilty in this country, and as a result the team should be as decided upon in the selection contest until such time as a pilot advises the management they will be unable to compete. All alternates should be as ready to go as possible if that word comes.
Not to play devil's advocate much, but is it up to the team manager/officials to decide upon who actually flies on the team? Do they even have the option of making that call? Allowing the team management to decide the team pilots or make changes to the team on their own outside of the results of the selection contest seems like it sets a dangerous precedent, and creates a very slippery slope of simply changing team pilots because someone doesn't happen to like someone else.
Keeping in mind of course, the 800 lb gorilla could in fact result in nothing, regardless of how things look now. People still are in fact innocent until proven guilty in this country, and as a result the team should be as decided upon in the selection contest until such time as a pilot advises the management they will be unable to compete. All alternates should be as ready to go as possible if that word comes.
01-20-2011, 02:35 PM
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ORIGINAL: Doug Cronkhite
To me this implies conduct while acting as a team member at a world championship event more so than things outside the scope of the team. I could also see where you might extrapolate that out to all aspects of representation or action as well, but I'm not sure I agree with that idea.
I also don't think your support of the team should be predicated upon who's actually on the team, unless you would have a moral objection to supporting someone who's been accused of having legal trouble outside of the flying circle. Yes, I'm choosing my words carefully here because as of right now it's still only charges.
My position.. support the team as a whole, regardless of who is actually flying.
To me this implies conduct while acting as a team member at a world championship event more so than things outside the scope of the team. I could also see where you might extrapolate that out to all aspects of representation or action as well, but I'm not sure I agree with that idea.
I also don't think your support of the team should be predicated upon who's actually on the team, unless you would have a moral objection to supporting someone who's been accused of having legal trouble outside of the flying circle. Yes, I'm choosing my words carefully here because as of right now it's still only charges.
My position.. support the team as a whole, regardless of who is actually flying.
Whether or not I support the team (I do) is not why this thread was started. That being said, if I chose to not participate in fund-raising or chose not to donate money merely because of the composition of the team, that's my choice and is not subject to public scrutiny. Guess why... because it's my money.
01-20-2011, 03:29 PM
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ORIGINAL: mjfrederick
Whether or not I support the team (I do) is not why this thread was started. That being said, if I chose to not participate in fund-raising or chose not to donate money merely because of the composition of the team, that's my choice and is not subject to public scrutiny. Guess why... because it's my money.
Whether or not I support the team (I do) is not why this thread was started. That being said, if I chose to not participate in fund-raising or chose not to donate money merely because of the composition of the team, that's my choice and is not subject to public scrutiny. Guess why... because it's my money.
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Well I hope the alternate is practicing a much as he can. I would not be surprised if the USA Team does not have any decision to make; as it could well be made for them by the courts. Even with 'just charges' making travel arrangements would be difficult.
01-24-2011, 08:40 AM
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OK, it's been a while now, and I hope we can have a discussion on this without it breaking down into mud-slinging and end up locking (or deleting) the thread. There's been an 800-pound gorilla sitting in the corner for almost six months now, and as a supporter of the USA F3A team, I'd kinda like an answer: Who will be representing the USA at the 2011 World Championships? We all know what happened, and we don't need to re-hash that. I've heard much speculation from people who claim that a decision has been made, but nothing has ever been announced. I even tried the AMA's home page for the team member/manager list, but it doesn't pull up any documents, just re-opens the same page.
OK, it's been a while now, and I hope we can have a discussion on this without it breaking down into mud-slinging and end up locking (or deleting) the thread. There's been an 800-pound gorilla sitting in the corner for almost six months now, and as a supporter of the USA F3A team, I'd kinda like an answer: Who will be representing the USA at the 2011 World Championships? We all know what happened, and we don't need to re-hash that. I've heard much speculation from people who claim that a decision has been made, but nothing has ever been announced. I even tried the AMA's home page for the team member/manager list, but it doesn't pull up any documents, just re-opens the same page.
What I am not sure I get is why bring up this particular subject in a public forum such as this. There are much better and easier ways to get the correct answer. I suggest you contact the Team manager and the F3A Team Selection committee directly. Decisions have probably been made already and your answer waits. I also suggest that you remove the thread
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Matt,
Again the point of this was to ask the composition of the team. Nothing else. I wasn't saying I wouldn't support the team if someone was on it. Posing this question in the forum is, to me, exactly what these forums are for: to try and get information that has not been disseminated elsewhere. Again, the intent was not to slander anyone at all. I assume that is why this thread was not deleted or locked. That and the question still has not been answered. It has been kept on point at all times, and I'm darn proud of that given what happened with previous threads on this topic. You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm entitled to mine as well, I guess we just disagree. I'm not going to lose any sleep because of that.
MattF
Again the point of this was to ask the composition of the team. Nothing else. I wasn't saying I wouldn't support the team if someone was on it. Posing this question in the forum is, to me, exactly what these forums are for: to try and get information that has not been disseminated elsewhere. Again, the intent was not to slander anyone at all. I assume that is why this thread was not deleted or locked. That and the question still has not been answered. It has been kept on point at all times, and I'm darn proud of that given what happened with previous threads on this topic. You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm entitled to mine as well, I guess we just disagree. I'm not going to lose any sleep because of that.
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01-24-2011, 10:59 AM
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Matt,
Again the point of this was to ask the composition of the team. Nothing else.
I'm not going to lose any sleep because of that.
MattF
Matt,
Again the point of this was to ask the composition of the team. Nothing else.
I'm not going to lose any sleep because of that.
MattF
Neither will I....Unsubscribed
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From what I understand the Team Manager has been contacted but has not given an answer. So it looks like the F3A Team Selection committee
will need to make a decision
will need to make a decision
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RE: The 800-pound gorilla sitting in the corner
Click on the link below, or google Nick Darcy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_D'Arcy
Got dropped from the Olympic team for being on charges, then dropped again from the world championship team after the conviction.
Now I'm sure that the interpretation of the respective codes of conduct will vary depending on how many good friends you have.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_D'Arcy
Got dropped from the Olympic team for being on charges, then dropped again from the world championship team after the conviction.
Now I'm sure that the interpretation of the respective codes of conduct will vary depending on how many good friends you have.
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ORIGINAL: haikt
can anyone point out out what is the gorilla and what has happned i dont want to start anything just wanted to know what the history was can somone maybe pm me please
can anyone point out out what is the gorilla and what has happned i dont want to start anything just wanted to know what the history was can somone maybe pm me please
It really boggles me why people dance around this instead of just linking the story and moving on with the discussion around it.
It is official PUBLIC news and the story can be found here: http://www.polksheriff.org/NewsRoom/...hChildren.aspx