Judging Certification class at the Nats
07-22-2011, 07:38 AM
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We have moved the Judging School Certification at the Nats to 1:00 PM at AMA HQ on Tuesday, August 2. Jim Quinn will be hosting the event and teaching the class. We are not sure which room we will use yet but it will be at headquarters. Remember, you MUST be certified in order to compete so if you haven't attended the class, you must attend this session if you are of US origin. Jim wanted to move it to 1:00 PM on Tuesday as some folks will not be arriving until sometime that day. We expect about 50 people at this class. Make sure you get this done or you will be unable to compete.
Thank you,
Scott
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We have moved the Judging School Certification at the Nats to 1:00 PM at AMA HQ on Tuesday, August 2. Jim Quinn will be hosting the event and teaching the class. We are not sure which room we will use yet but it will be at headquarters. Remember, you MUST be certified in order to compete so if you haven't attended the class, you must attend this session if you are of US origin. Jim wanted to move it to 1:00 PM on Tuesday as some folks will not be arriving until sometime that day. We expect about 50 people at this class. Make sure you get this done or you will be unable to compete.
Thank you,
Scott
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07-25-2011, 10:35 AM
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All,
The Judging Seminar will be in the Board Meeting Room upstairs at AMA Headquarters at 1 PM on Tuesday, August 2nd.
I have had some questions about why anyone who has not attended a Judging Seminar this year must attend. The "official" answer is because of the rules changes. Again, if you haven't attended one this year and you plan on flying, you need to make sure you are at AMA HQ at 1 PM on Tuesday.
Thank you,
Scott
The Judging Seminar will be in the Board Meeting Room upstairs at AMA Headquarters at 1 PM on Tuesday, August 2nd.
I have had some questions about why anyone who has not attended a Judging Seminar this year must attend. The "official" answer is because of the rules changes. Again, if you haven't attended one this year and you plan on flying, you need to make sure you are at AMA HQ at 1 PM on Tuesday.
Thank you,
Scott
07-25-2011, 05:52 PM
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RE: Judging Certification class at the Nats
So if a guy hasn't been to a judging seminar he can't fly in the Nats?
How does this meet up with the AMA Rule?
3.7: AMA-Sponsored National or International Contest.
This is an exclusive sanction class for those events that are specifically approved by the AMA Executive Council and budgeted for operation from AMA funds—such as the annual AMA National Model Aeromodeling Championships, (in which entry is unrestricted to AMA members),
That paragraph would seem to over rule anyone wouldn't it?
Reading farther down the page I came across this.
17. Disqualification: Exclusion. Contestants may be disqualified or excluded from any or all events if guilty of an infraction of contest rules, unsportsmanlike or discourteous conduct, infraction
Seems the CD might be able to refuse a flier that hasn't been to a judging seminar.
Tim
How does this meet up with the AMA Rule?
3.7: AMA-Sponsored National or International Contest.
This is an exclusive sanction class for those events that are specifically approved by the AMA Executive Council and budgeted for operation from AMA funds—such as the annual AMA National Model Aeromodeling Championships, (in which entry is unrestricted to AMA members),
That paragraph would seem to over rule anyone wouldn't it?
Reading farther down the page I came across this.
17. Disqualification: Exclusion. Contestants may be disqualified or excluded from any or all events if guilty of an infraction of contest rules, unsportsmanlike or discourteous conduct, infraction
Seems the CD might be able to refuse a flier that hasn't been to a judging seminar.
Tim
07-25-2011, 06:59 PM
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Tim,
You forget that a CD has the option to modify the rules and make certain requirements such as having to be certified in order to judge at the Nationals... and if a person does forgo this duty of being certified then obviously they can't judge but they will have to perform a 1/2 day of other duty to fulfill their volunteer requirement - failing to this will result in the loss of their highest scoring round. Since there is no longer the ability to volunteer in any other capacity, judging is now the only volunteer option.
This has been the case for a number of years - never a complaint (out loud that is)...
You forget that a CD has the option to modify the rules and make certain requirements such as having to be certified in order to judge at the Nationals... and if a person does forgo this duty of being certified then obviously they can't judge but they will have to perform a 1/2 day of other duty to fulfill their volunteer requirement - failing to this will result in the loss of their highest scoring round. Since there is no longer the ability to volunteer in any other capacity, judging is now the only volunteer option.
This has been the case for a number of years - never a complaint (out loud that is)...
07-25-2011, 07:41 PM
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Tim,
You forget that a CD has the option to modify the rules and make certain requirements such as having to be certified in order to judge at the Nationals... and if a person does forgo this duty of being certified then obviously they can't judge but they will have to perform a 1/2 day of other duty to fulfill their volunteer requirement - failing to this will result in the loss of their highest scoring round. Since there is no longer the ability to volunteer in any other capacity, judging is now the only volunteer option.
This has been the case for a number of years - never a complaint (out loud that is)...
Tim,
You forget that a CD has the option to modify the rules and make certain requirements such as having to be certified in order to judge at the Nationals... and if a person does forgo this duty of being certified then obviously they can't judge but they will have to perform a 1/2 day of other duty to fulfill their volunteer requirement - failing to this will result in the loss of their highest scoring round. Since there is no longer the ability to volunteer in any other capacity, judging is now the only volunteer option.
This has been the case for a number of years - never a complaint (out loud that is)...
07-25-2011, 08:16 PM
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I have found out a way around not being certified as a judge per the rules/agreement/whatever you want to call it. If you choose not to judge, you have the option to pay a $50 fee to have another pilot judge in your place. This fee will be paid by the contestant who chooses not to judge but that contestant will then be allowed to fly. I learned this today from Jim Quinn.
Basically, you can attend the judges class and be certified and can judge or you can choose not to get certified and pay a $50 fee for another pilot to judge in your place. There...all soved right??
Scott
Basically, you can attend the judges class and be certified and can judge or you can choose not to get certified and pay a $50 fee for another pilot to judge in your place. There...all soved right??
Scott
07-26-2011, 03:52 AM
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Derek,
I remember back when this came about and I assure you there were plenty of complaints. Some extremely loud as I recall.
If this and the judging seminar requirement is to be an on going deal at the Nats then it needs to be in the rule book. "Non-rule" rules not spelled out only cause controversy. The "Loss of highest round" rule has been around what? 20 Years now?
I'd hate to be the one that had to tell the guy that just drove three days and showed up at 4pm on Tuesday after the judges seminar he can't fly. Maybe moving the judging seminar to after closing of registration would preclude this from happening?
I don't have a problem with these "rules" I think they're fine, I just wish after using them for so long they'd be spelled out in the rule book. They can only be a Provisional rule for so long.
I also don't believe the CD should have the power to make a "non-rule" that is more punitive than the rule book allows.
Tim
I remember back when this came about and I assure you there were plenty of complaints. Some extremely loud as I recall.
If this and the judging seminar requirement is to be an on going deal at the Nats then it needs to be in the rule book. "Non-rule" rules not spelled out only cause controversy. The "Loss of highest round" rule has been around what? 20 Years now?
I'd hate to be the one that had to tell the guy that just drove three days and showed up at 4pm on Tuesday after the judges seminar he can't fly. Maybe moving the judging seminar to after closing of registration would preclude this from happening?
I don't have a problem with these "rules" I think they're fine, I just wish after using them for so long they'd be spelled out in the rule book. They can only be a Provisional rule for so long.
I also don't believe the CD should have the power to make a "non-rule" that is more punitive than the rule book allows.
Tim
07-26-2011, 05:31 AM
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I have found out a way around not being certified as a judge per the rules/agreement/whatever you want to call it. If you choose not to judge, you have the option to pay a $50 fee to have another pilot judge in your place. This fee will be paid by the contestant who chooses not to judge but that contestant will then be allowed to fly. I learned this today from Jim Quinn.
Basically, you can attend the judges class and be certified and can judge or you can choose not to get certified and pay a $50 fee for another pilot to judge in your place. There...all soved right??
Scott
I have found out a way around not being certified as a judge per the rules/agreement/whatever you want to call it. If you choose not to judge, you have the option to pay a $50 fee to have another pilot judge in your place. This fee will be paid by the contestant who chooses not to judge but that contestant will then be allowed to fly. I learned this today from Jim Quinn.
Basically, you can attend the judges class and be certified and can judge or you can choose not to get certified and pay a $50 fee for another pilot to judge in your place. There...all soved right??
Scott
Just another case of the rich holding down the poor. . .
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07-26-2011, 05:57 AM
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Just another case of the rich holding down the poor. . .
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ORIGINAL: CLRD2LAND
I have found out a way around not being certified as a judge per the rules/agreement/whatever you want to call it. If you choose not to judge, you have the option to pay a $50 fee to have another pilot judge in your place. This fee will be paid by the contestant who chooses not to judge but that contestant will then be allowed to fly. I learned this today from Jim Quinn.
Basically, you can attend the judges class and be certified and can judge or you can choose not to get certified and pay a $50 fee for another pilot to judge in your place. There...all soved right??
Scott
I have found out a way around not being certified as a judge per the rules/agreement/whatever you want to call it. If you choose not to judge, you have the option to pay a $50 fee to have another pilot judge in your place. This fee will be paid by the contestant who chooses not to judge but that contestant will then be allowed to fly. I learned this today from Jim Quinn.
Basically, you can attend the judges class and be certified and can judge or you can choose not to get certified and pay a $50 fee for another pilot to judge in your place. There...all soved right??
Scott
Just another case of the rich holding down the poor. . .
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07-26-2011, 07:34 AM
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"Come an see the violence inherent in the system!!!"
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U G H !!!! We need to talk when I get there Saturday! Maybe I could slap you around a little bit?? Just a thought!
ORIGINAL: klhoard
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Just another case of the rich holding down the poor. . .
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ORIGINAL: CLRD2LAND
I have found out a way around not being certified as a judge per the rules/agreement/whatever you want to call it. If you choose not to judge, you have the option to pay a $50 fee to have another pilot judge in your place. This fee will be paid by the contestant who chooses not to judge but that contestant will then be allowed to fly. I learned this today from Jim Quinn.
Basically, you can attend the judges class and be certified and can judge or you can choose not to get certified and pay a $50 fee for another pilot to judge in your place. There...all soved right??
Scott
I have found out a way around not being certified as a judge per the rules/agreement/whatever you want to call it. If you choose not to judge, you have the option to pay a $50 fee to have another pilot judge in your place. This fee will be paid by the contestant who chooses not to judge but that contestant will then be allowed to fly. I learned this today from Jim Quinn.
Basically, you can attend the judges class and be certified and can judge or you can choose not to get certified and pay a $50 fee for another pilot to judge in your place. There...all soved right??
Scott
Just another case of the rich holding down the poor. . .
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07-26-2011, 07:40 AM
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"Come an see the violence inherent in the system!!!"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xd_z...e_gdata_player
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"Come an see the violence inherent in the system!!!"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xd_z...e_gdata_player
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07-26-2011, 10:58 AM
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So let me get this straight. Theperson wanting out of judgingpays the guy judging directly? Then he informs the CD that he did it and the CD arranges for a substitude. Or does one inform the CD first and he arranges it? I never knew that rule existed. Has anyone actually done it in the past?
Sounds like a good gig if your broke and need to make a few bucks to suppliment your trip.
Sounds like a good gig if your broke and need to make a few bucks to suppliment your trip.
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Scott,
Have the NSRCA officers consulted with tax attorneys or accountants to consider the IRS consequences of monetary compensation for professional judging? Will the NSRCA or AMA be issuing the IRS Form 1099-R's?
Have the NSRCA officers consulted with tax attorneys or accountants to consider the IRS consequences of monetary compensation for professional judging? Will the NSRCA or AMA be issuing the IRS Form 1099-R's?
07-26-2011, 11:15 AM
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It has been taken under advisement! 
Keith, the amount of money is under $600 therefore the 1099-R does not have to be filed.
OK so this is not the official word but.... First, let's understand that the NSRCA is the S.I.G. to the AMA for pattern. The Nationals are run by the AMA and only supported through the NSRCA. Any official anything would come from the AMA, not the NSRCA. So my understanding is that if a person chooses not to take the class or has not taken the class at some point this year, the pilot can elect to pay a $50 fee TO either the Chief Judge or the CD (I'm not sure which one) and then the AMA sponsored event personel will find another judge for you should one be able to be found (which Idon't think would be that much of an issue). Once a pilot elects to judge in that competitors place and after completing said judging stint, that pilot will receive from the AMA event personel the $50 fee that was paid by the pilot who chose not to judge. Again...this is not official but what Iwas told last night by Jim Quinn after I was telling him the fun I was having with the fact people had to go to the judging school.
By the way, I'll be the guy in the back at the judging school hurling spitwads at y'alls heads and getting my certificate too!
Keith, the amount of money is under $600 therefore the 1099-R does not have to be filed.OK so this is not the official word but.... First, let's understand that the NSRCA is the S.I.G. to the AMA for pattern. The Nationals are run by the AMA and only supported through the NSRCA. Any official anything would come from the AMA, not the NSRCA. So my understanding is that if a person chooses not to take the class or has not taken the class at some point this year, the pilot can elect to pay a $50 fee TO either the Chief Judge or the CD (I'm not sure which one) and then the AMA sponsored event personel will find another judge for you should one be able to be found (which Idon't think would be that much of an issue). Once a pilot elects to judge in that competitors place and after completing said judging stint, that pilot will receive from the AMA event personel the $50 fee that was paid by the pilot who chose not to judge. Again...this is not official but what Iwas told last night by Jim Quinn after I was telling him the fun I was having with the fact people had to go to the judging school.
By the way, I'll be the guy in the back at the judging school hurling spitwads at y'alls heads and getting my certificate too!
07-26-2011, 11:47 AM
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By the way, I'll be the guy in the back at the judging school hurling spitwads at y'alls heads and getting my certificate too!
By the way, I'll be the guy in the back at the judging school hurling spitwads at y'alls heads and getting my certificate too!
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RE: Judging Certification class at the Nats
Because the CD said so.
Rules says the nationals are not to be restricted however.
If this came a "Press to test" moment I doubt the EC would back the requirement.
There never has been Sportsman at the Nats as it's a beginners class.
Tim
Rules says the nationals are not to be restricted however.
If this came a "Press to test" moment I doubt the EC would back the requirement.
There never has been Sportsman at the Nats as it's a beginners class.
Tim
