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Old 01-23-2012, 09:57 AM
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Anyone know if there are score sheets for P13 and F13 posted anywhere? I'd like to get them so I can save myself the work of making call sheets.
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Old 01-23-2012, 11:43 AM
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Hi steve,

Try www.gbrcaa.org
look under GBR/CAA schedules

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Thanks Bill

I have those. They are a bit hard to read. I think F13 is wrong as well.
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Old 01-23-2012, 12:11 PM
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Actually, the call sheet for F13 matches the judging PowerPoint. My question is if that is the final version. The opposite snaps and Rolling 8 are switched from the aresti I downloaded earlier.
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I wonder why FAI does not publish those. I could not find the official information in their web page. Probably I was looking in the wrong page. I was checking here:

http://www.fai.org/ciam-our-sport/f3...rol-aerobatics

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Schedules are posted in the minutes from the meetings.

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I've tried that before. For whatever reason, the zip file they uploaded in the meeting minutes for annex 7 can't be opened on my Windows 7 pc. Anyway, I assume the schedules posted on the GBRCAA site are correct. That still leaves me with my initial request for a good call sheet. I guess I'll make my own. The GBRCAA site has some PDF's uploaded. I was hoping to get a word doc or excel so I could just edit it and make it more usable. I've spent more time looking for one than would be required to just make one.

Also, does anyone know why they don't use normal Aresti notation for things like a 4 of 8 point roll and 2 of 4 point roll? I'm not sure why they draw these as consecutive 1/8 rolls or consecutive 1/4 rolls. It makes the Aresti drawing confusing and (from my experience) isn't the standard way to draw these maneuvers. Assuming, of course, that the latest version of the aresti is drawn like the last one I downloaded.
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I have been waiting too for the revised sporting code, we will have the correct schedules there, but I know they were having issues with their site related to the sporting code download.

It should come out soon.
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This version is pretty good
http://www.australianpatternassociat...3callcards.pdf

And this one is good because its got a larger font size.
http://www.samaa.org.za/maasa/maasa_schedules.shtml

Now all I need is the official Aresti's printed in both directions.
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New FAI rules have changed the way point rolls are described/defined to eliminate the discussion point of "what is the center of a 4 point roll".

4/8 is no longer 4/8.....it is 4 consecutive 1/8 rolls.....and a 4 point roll is now 4 consecutive 1/4 rolls. Clever change that accomplishes the goal.

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Seems kind of silly to do it that way. If there was so much confusion about the center point then why not just clarify it in the rules? The draft Aresti's I've seen look ridiculous. All they needed to do was to just say where the center is.
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Old 01-23-2012, 10:14 PM
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In fact, now I'm confused. Exactly where is the center on the three 1/4 rolls -opposite three 1/4rolls. Also, where's the center on the 4 1/8 rolls?
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As I understand Peter Uhlig's powerpoints (because there is no official sporting code yet with a maneuvre description) there should be no line between the reversals. 

It should be as if the model bounces once the 1/4 roll finishes it should bouce the oposite side to the next 1/4.

as I understand it and as we have been practicing, this bounce (with no line) is the center of the opposite 1/4 rolls. the point where the roll direction changes should be the center. 

are we wrong?
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We have been told there is a short but definite pause, but not a bounce!

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ORIGINAL: shannah

This version is pretty good
http://www.australianpatternassociat...3callcards.pdf

And this one is good because its got a larger font size.
http://www.samaa.org.za/maasa/maasa_schedules.shtml

Now all I need is the official Aresti's printed in both directions.
Hi,
Just print once on acetate !

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Hello Keith!

I think this should be clarified only after sporting codes are officially released by FAI. I use a lot Peter Uhlig's presentations as I find them an invaluable source of information and guides to perform better.

see the slide where he states: Between part rolls in opposite direction there must be no line.

but still speculations until the maneuvre execution guide in the sporting code is officially released. not sure how much the real thing is going to differ from the meeting minutes...

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What's the center point of a 1/4 roll and when is the maneuver complete? Seems to me that the maneuver includes the equal length line entering and exiting the rolling portion. The line length equals the distance the model travels during the roll. Therefore, there is a "line" between the opposite rolling elements but it isn't an "extra" line, rather it is the line length equal to the line after the 1/4 roll plus the line length of the entry of the next 1/4 roll.

Correct?
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I re-read the old sporting code and all it says is "Whenever a type of roll or snap roll is placed on a line, the length of the line before and after the roll must
be equal, except where there is no relation of the line with other elements in the manoeuvre (example:
immelmann turn). One point is subtracted for a reasonable difference, and two points for a greater
difference. If there is a complete absence of a line before or after the roll, 3 points are subtracted."

So, the rate of roll or distance the roll covers is not an item in determining the entry and exit line length. But, there is a line between the roll elements which is equal to the length of the entry line and exit line. The line length has to be equal for all the roll elements in the maneuver.
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On the pause there will be always a line as the model is moving forward, it is more as a vary brief pause, say one second max, that's how I see it.

I still do not understand about the change in the Aresti, is it only for model aircraft or Aresti in general?

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The 2012 sporting code is now available at the FAI web site for download.

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