J-P

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News P13 / F13 programs and amended FAI Sporting Code have just been released by the CIAM

FAI Sporting Code Section 4 – Aeromodelling Volume F3 Radio Control Aerobatics 2012 Edition


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http://events.fai.org/ciam-documents


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Doug Cronkhite

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P-13 looks interesting.. On the other hand.. F-13 has all kinds of dumb in it, but oh well.

TonyF

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I find F-13 to be a lot better then F-11. F-13 is a very technical pattern, not full of snaps. I love the integrated rolling stuff. P-13 is also a lot better then P-11. Their both really fun to fly. I've been flying both and it has been fun. I'm a long ways from being happy with my F-13, but 'm enjoying working on it.

Doug Cronkhite

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Couple questions then Tony,

#5 - 1/4 roll, opposite snap, opposite snap, opposite 1/4 roll. Can the snaps be positive/negative, or are they required to both be pos or both neg? Seems like that'd be impossible to fly well if the snap pitch direction has to be the same.

# 11 - On the 1/2 inside loop, 2 1/2 neg spin, opp 2 of 4, how are you flying it? Seems to me if you don't get into the spin right at the top of the 1/2 loop you're then drawing a line between segments and incurring a downgrade?

#12 - 45 upline 1/4 roll, 1/2 outside loop, 1/4 roll. I don't see any way to make that look good for one since it's on a 45 line at the end of the box, and it's going to seriously displace your baseline out or in depending upon the way you go.

pattratt

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Hey Tony
Are you moving back to FAI?
Dick

RC_Pattern_Flyer

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#5 opposite snaps are fine.

#11 you are allowed to draw a line to enter the spin.

#12 is basically a crossbox humpty bump on a 45 deg line. (same as top hat but no flat line across but rather an arc)

Chuck

apereira

They really screwed up the Aresti, now the drawings can not be used to call, who is goin to count the quarter or eights of roll on a contest? Lool at the last maneuver on the F15 for example, riduculous....

shannah

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Totally agree. DaveL said that they did this to eliminate the confusion as to where the center of a rolling sequence is. I don't see how identifying a point roll as multiple roll segments helps clarify anything. I guess I am missing the "point" so to speak, so I apologize for my ignorance on this matter. Any further enlightenment on this topic would probably help a lot of us out.

Anyone have the Aresti drawing software? If so, would anyone like to draw these in the standard format? Maybe one of our IMAC friends can help us out here. At least the IMAC guys understand how to use Aresti. I don't care if it isn't the official FAI published document, but I would like to have something that is usable at the field for practice. I'll hand draw some myself, but that isn't as nice as the printed versions.

I also have a question on one of the maneuvers that show up on the list of unknowns. They describe a "Double Key" and keep referring to a "5/8 knife edge loop to the back". That makes no sense, I don't know what they are trying to describe. Is there an aresti drawing for this maneuver? I've never heard of a "Double Key" and have no idea what they mean by "back" in this case. Without a drawing the verbal description is useless.

1bwana1

Steve,
  I have the Aresti Software.  I'm not sure that some of the base figures are included. Our software has all the figures that are included in IAC.  I don't recognize some of the figures in the F3a stuff, but I will take a look. 

Steve

shannah

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Yes, that might be a problem. There's no such thing as a knife edge loop in IAC.

apereira

When I get back home I will check the Aresti diagrams for the proposed P and F, if there is no changes and I think there are none, then I will use those, and I did check the IAC Aresti for 2012 and call the manouvers the same as the original code, so it seems this "invention" is only in F3A.

J-P

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Description of maneuvers

http://fai-f3aworld.blogspot.com/p/p13-f13.html